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Freezic Vast
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Postby Freezic Vast » Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:I said that my so called representatives don't represent me I didn't say a damn thing about the legislature as a whole like you think I did.


You also said the governor doesnt represent you either. Should they by chosen by number of counties won and not by popular vote or perhaps chosen by the state legislature?

You question doesn't deserve my answer, especially since I am sick of the repetition of questions and fallacies that you constantly bring up time and again. You already know my fucking answer, and if you don't, too damn bad, I have no obligation to answer your question, go bother Telconi.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:58 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You also said the governor doesnt represent you either. Should they by chosen by number of counties won and not by popular vote or perhaps chosen by the state legislature?

You question doesn't deserve my answer, especially since I am sick of the repetition of questions and fallacies that you constantly bring up time and again. You already know my fucking answer, and if you don't, too damn bad, I have no obligation to answer your question, go bother Telconi.


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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:59 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You also said the governor doesnt represent you either. Should they by chosen by number of counties won and not by popular vote or perhaps chosen by the state legislature?

You question doesn't deserve my answer, especially since I am sick of the repetition of questions and fallacies that you constantly bring up time and again. You already know my fucking answer, and if you don't, too damn bad, I have no obligation to answer your question, go bother Telconi.

You quite frankly like others have no understanding of how government works and think your area is all that matters and is part of whats wrong with politics today.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:You question doesn't deserve my answer, especially since I am sick of the repetition of questions and fallacies that you constantly bring up time and again. You already know my fucking answer, and if you don't, too damn bad, I have no obligation to answer your question, go bother Telconi.

You quite frankly like others have no understanding of how government works and think your area is all that matters and is part of whats wrong with politics today.


Quite the contrary, I think you don't know how the government works, and I think that not being douchebags to a minority is a good idea, and I think people like you are what's wrong with politics.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:You question doesn't deserve my answer, especially since I am sick of the repetition of questions and fallacies that you constantly bring up time and again. You already know my fucking answer, and if you don't, too damn bad, I have no obligation to answer your question, go bother Telconi.

You quite frankly like others have no understanding of how government works and think your area is all that matters and is part of whats wrong with politics today.


You do know you can understand how something works but disagree with it, yeah? Did they ever teach that concept in New York public schooling?
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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:You question doesn't deserve my answer, especially since I am sick of the repetition of questions and fallacies that you constantly bring up time and again. You already know my fucking answer, and if you don't, too damn bad, I have no obligation to answer your question, go bother Telconi.

You quite frankly like others have no understanding of how government works and think your area is all that matters and is part of whats wrong with politics today.

Or, bare with me here, you’re dead wrong? They’ve told you what they’ve witnessed in their legislatures, you dismissed them. They told you how their communities have gotten the shaft, you dismissed them. Its really fucking ironic that you’re telling people that they’re part of whats wrong with politics today.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:02 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You quite frankly like others have no understanding of how government works and think your area is all that matters and is part of whats wrong with politics today.


Quite the contrary, I think you don't know how the government works, and I think that not being douchebags to a minority is a good idea, and I think people like you are what's wrong with politics.

No you want a system where the government is rigged in your favor and only your agenda can get passed.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:02 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You quite frankly like others have no understanding of how government works and think your area is all that matters and is part of whats wrong with politics today.


You do know you can understand how something works but disagree with it, yeah? Did they ever teach that concept in New York public schooling?


Of course but that is not what some people are doing.

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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Quite the contrary, I think you don't know how the government works, and I think that not being douchebags to a minority is a good idea, and I think people like you are what's wrong with politics.

No you want a system where the government is rigged in your favor and only your agenda can get passed.

How is control of one house rigging the government?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:03 pm

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No you want a system where the government is rigged in your favor and only your agenda can get passed.

How is control of one house rigging the government?

Because in Nevada for example control would never change. 90 precent of the population would be subject to the whims of 10 percent. That is the definition of tyranny of the minority.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You do know you can understand how something works but disagree with it, yeah? Did they ever teach that concept in New York public schooling?


Of course but that is not what some people are doing.


Yes it is.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Quite the contrary, I think you don't know how the government works, and I think that not being douchebags to a minority is a good idea, and I think people like you are what's wrong with politics.

No you want a system where the government is rigged in your favor and only your agenda can get passed.


>Only my agenda can get passed

By the assembly with a supermajority of the opposing party? Or by the governor who is likely of the opposing party?
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Postby Freezic Vast » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:05 pm

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San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:You question doesn't deserve my answer, especially since I am sick of the repetition of questions and fallacies that you constantly bring up time and again. You already know my fucking answer, and if you don't, too damn bad, I have no obligation to answer your question, go bother Telconi.

You quite frankly like others have no understanding of how government works and think your area is all that matters and is part of whats wrong with politics today.

Oh, shut the fuck UP! This why I and others fucking hate you, you act like your better than us and that you know best well guess what, you don't, you're not better or smarter than us, you're just another smug city liberal who acts like everyone against you is a moron and is the big probi. The only problem here is you are your fallacy that our democracy is perfect, it's not we've explained to you countless times, yet you are incapable of listening at all.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:How is control of one house rigging the government?

Because in Nevada for example control would never change. 90 precent of the population would be subject to the whims of 10 percent. That is the definition of tyranny of the minority.

One house means that nothing would change? You realize that niety percent would completely control the other side of the aisle, yeah?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:06 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No you want a system where the government is rigged in your favor and only your agenda can get passed.


>Only my agenda can get passed

By the assembly with a supermajority of the opposing party? Or by the governor who is likely of the opposing party?


You have said you should get more representation than your population allows and you have also said you want to hamstrung the legislature with so called safeguards so if people dare vote in those who disagree with you they can't get anything done.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
>Only my agenda can get passed

By the assembly with a supermajority of the opposing party? Or by the governor who is likely of the opposing party?


You have said you should get more representation than your population allows and you have also said you want to hamstrung the legislature with so called safeguards so if people dare vote in those who disagree with you they can't get anything done.


Uh, yeah, safeguards are kinda necessary to a functioning democracy...

The fact that you don't understand this is indicative that you don't truly know much about the system you champion. An unguarded democracy doesn't function, there's no reason for a side to roll the dice if losing means utter disaster.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:07 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You have said you should get more representation than your population allows and you have also said you want to hamstrung the legislature with so called safeguards so if people dare vote in those who disagree with you they can't get anything done.


Uh, yeah, safeguards are kinda necessary to a functioning democracy...

Only if they’re courts, apparently.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:08 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
You have said you should get more representation than your population allows and you have also said you want to hamstrung the legislature with so called safeguards so if people dare vote in those who disagree with you they can't get anything done.


Uh, yeah, safeguards are kinda necessary to a functioning democracy...

And what would those safeguards be that you want implemented?

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Uh, yeah, safeguards are kinda necessary to a functioning democracy...

And what would those safeguards be that you want implemented?


You would know if you were literate.
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-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:09 pm

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Because in Nevada for example control would never change. 90 precent of the population would be subject to the whims of 10 percent. That is the definition of tyranny of the minority.

One house means that nothing would change? You realize that niety percent would completely control the other side of the aisle, yeah?


Why should someone in a county of a few hundred have more representation and voting power than a county with 2/3rds of the population?

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:09 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And what would those safeguards be that you want implemented?


You would know if you were literate.

Thats not an answer. That's just handing out an insult.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:One house means that nothing would change? You realize that niety percent would completely control the other side of the aisle, yeah?


Why should someone in a county of a few hundred have more representation and voting power than a county with 2/3rds of the population?


Because the alternative is society unravelling at the seams.
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-Labor Unions
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ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:10 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Why should someone in a county of a few hundred have more representation and voting power than a county with 2/3rds of the population?


Because the alternative is society unravelling at the seams.

I dont see Nevada or California collapsing anytime soon.

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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:One house means that nothing would change? You realize that niety percent would completely control the other side of the aisle, yeah?


Why should someone in a county of a few hundred have more representation and voting power than a county with 2/3rds of the population?

Because demoncracy requires safeguards to prevent the majority from simply imposing its will on the minority. Or do you disagree with protections for minorities?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:12 pm

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Why should someone in a county of a few hundred have more representation and voting power than a county with 2/3rds of the population?

Because demoncracy requires safeguards to prevent the majority from simply imposing its will on the minority. Or do you disagree with protections for minorities?

Place of residence is not one of them. Land area does not vote, neither do farms or trees or urban centers.
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