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Postby Kubra » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:07 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
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If the Urban people can tell my representative to guck off and implement their agenda with or without him he is functionally useless.


If people without PhDs can tell my representative to fuck off and implement their agenda with or without him he is functionally useless.
if people with an annual income below 50k can tell my representative to fuck off and implement their agend with or without him he is functionally useless.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:07 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Telconi wrote:
E F F E C T I V E

If the Urban people can tell my representative to guck off and implement their agenda with or without him he is functionally useless.


If people without PhDs can tell my representative to fuck off and implement their agenda with or without him he is functionally useless.


Indeed.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:07 pm

Telconi wrote:
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Calling for vandalism of infrastructure certainly is.


I never called for it, I'm calling for avoiding that

You absolutely did.

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Postby Kubra » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:08 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Calling for vandalism of infrastructure certainly is.


I never called for it, I'm calling for avoiding that
lol imagine the dude in a court of law using this as a defense
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Those also happen to be very large states, with sizable populations who are de facto disenfranchised.


In regards to how this idea for a state senate would work, use counties, not "districts", to define representatives. This reduces the capacity to gerrymander that part of the legislature, as making new counties isn't that easy a process.


Clark County is 75 percent of the population of Nevada. If you include Washoe and Carson City almost 90 percent of the populous is in three counties. Through Carson City isn't part of any county. I don't see how a sizable population is disenfranchised in any way.

10% of the states' population is still sizable. Are they not people? Do they not have concerns? Should they not have a voice?

and by using counties instead of districts you are giving land area more voting power than population. In a situation like Nevada how is that fair?

Because you have a Representatives-mimic that is based on population.
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:09 pm

Telconi wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
If people without PhDs can tell my representative to fuck off and implement their agenda with or without him he is functionally useless.


Indeed.


So, are we going to have 300,000,000 representatives, or are we going to get rid of this silly idea of weighting votes based on random traits that happen to correlate to political views?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:09 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:You already have a voice at the table. You elect a legislator like everyone else. I am tired of explaining this to you.


E F F E C T I V E

If the Urban people can tell my representative to guck off and implement their agenda with or without him he is functionally useless.

I didn't know your representative was completely silent and not able to do anything whatsoever in the legislature. Sounds like a dictatorship. Get freaking real. Attend a session of the legislature or a committee hearing without blinders sometime.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:10 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
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Clark County is 75 percent of the population of Nevada. If you include Washoe and Carson City almost 90 percent of the populous is in three counties. Through Carson City isn't part of any county. I don't see how a sizable population is disenfranchised in any way.

10% of the states' population is still sizable. Are they not people? Do they not have concerns? Should they not have a voice?

and by using counties instead of districts you are giving land area more voting power than population. In a situation like Nevada how is that fair?

Because you have a Representatives-mimic that is based on population.

And therefore 10 percent of the population should have more say than 90 percent?

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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I never called for it, I'm calling for avoiding that

You absolutely did.


So the state is advocating for genocide whenever they pass a law?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:10% of the states' population is still sizable. Are they not people? Do they not have concerns? Should they not have a voice?


Because you have a Representatives-mimic that is based on population.

And therefore 10 percent of the population should have more say than 90 percent?


In one house of one branch, yes.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:10% of the states' population is still sizable. Are they not people? Do they not have concerns? Should they not have a voice?


Because you have a Representatives-mimic that is based on population.

And therefore 10 percent of the population should have more say than 90 percent?

Do you not understand the meaning of the word EQUAL REPRESENTATION at all?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
E F F E C T I V E

If the Urban people can tell my representative to guck off and implement their agenda with or without him he is functionally useless.

I didn't know your representative was completely silent and not able to do anything whatsoever in the legislature. Sounds like a dictatorship. Get freaking real. Attend a session of the legislature or a committee hearing without blinders sometime.


He cannot even speak on the floor without opposition permission.
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:10% of the states' population is still sizable. Are they not people? Do they not have concerns? Should they not have a voice?


Because you have a Representatives-mimic that is based on population.

And therefore 10 percent of the population should have more say than 90 percent?

Only in one house. As I said, there would still be a house based on population where the 90% can ignore the rest entirely, instead of having to cooperate with them.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:12 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And therefore 10 percent of the population should have more say than 90 percent?


In one house of one branch, yes.


Therefore place of residence counts more than actual votes?
Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And therefore 10 percent of the population should have more say than 90 percent?

Do you not understand the meaning of the word EQUAL REPRESENTATION at all?

One man one vote. That is equal representation
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:13 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I didn't know your representative was completely silent and not able to do anything whatsoever in the legislature. Sounds like a dictatorship. Get freaking real. Attend a session of the legislature or a committee hearing without blinders sometime.


He cannot even speak on the floor without opposition permission.


Anyone who wishes to speak in a legislature must seek recognition from the chair.

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Postby Freezic Vast » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
In one house of one branch, yes.


Therefore place of residence counts more than actual votes?
Freezic Vast wrote:Do you not understand the meaning of the word EQUAL REPRESENTATION at all?

One man one vote. That is equal representation

No it's not. The majority gets their voices heard, what about the rest?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
In one house of one branch, yes.


Therefore place of residence counts more than actual votes?
Freezic Vast wrote:Do you not understand the meaning of the word EQUAL REPRESENTATION at all?

One man one vote. That is equal representation


No, that's not equal representation, that's proportional representation. Equal means the same. If one party out numbers the other two to one, they are not equal.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
He cannot even speak on the floor without opposition permission.


Anyone who wishes to speak in a legislature must seek recognition from the chair.


No shit...
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:15 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Therefore place of residence counts more than actual votes?
One man one vote. That is equal representation

No it's not. The majority gets their voices heard, what about the rest?


Through their representative. Does the governor not represent you? Should their be a separate executive for those areas and people who did not vote for them?

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:15 pm

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To harm anybody other than the people you claim to be trying to help with your silly little insurgency, you'd have to do it in the middle of a city. Where there will be literally hundreds of witnesses, all of them extremely pissed off at you. You wouldn't last ten minutes.


That's why nobody ever gets away with crimes in cities right???


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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:15 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Anyone who wishes to speak in a legislature must seek recognition from the chair.


No shit...


So how is your representative any different?

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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:No it's not. The majority gets their voices heard, what about the rest?


Through their representative. Does the governor not represent you? Should their be a separate executive for those areas and people who did not vote for them?

You're totally ignoring what people are saying, you know.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:No it's not. The majority gets their voices heard, what about the rest?


Through their representative. Does the governor not represent you? Should their be a separate executive for those areas and people who did not vote for them?


He doesn't represent me. No, one house is plenty thanks.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No shit...


So how is your representative any different?


By being a different party from the chair he must seek representation from, and from a supermajority.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:No it's not. The majority gets their voices heard, what about the rest?


Through their representative. Does the governor not represent you? Should their be a separate executive for those areas and people who did not vote for them?

Can you actually come up with a better solution instead of asking useless questions that amount to nothing?

Their representative won't listen to them.

No he doesn't.

Did I fucking say anything of that sort, or are you just trying to make shit up like you always do?
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