Should Rural Votes be Weighted Against Urban Votes?

[Kubra]

Comrade Telconi urges you to join the protracted peoples war in the everglades! Surround the cities from the countryside!

[Telconi]

Cops aren't immortal *shrug*.

Besides, infrastructure vanda list is hardly difficult to get away with, it isn't like every power pole has armed guards. Or even every transformer or substation.

To harm anybody other than the people you claim to be trying to help with your silly little insurgency, you'd have to do it in the middle of a city. Where there will be literally hundreds of witnesses, all of them extremely pissed off at you. You wouldn't last ten minutes.

That's why nobody ever gets away with crimes in cities right???

[San Lumen]

Enough of this talk of armed insurrection and other fantasy talk. Can we get back to topic please?

[Proctopeo]

Enough of this talk of armed insurrection and other fantasy talk. Can we get back to topic please?

Yes, we probably should.
So, how about mimicking the US Senate at the state level, with counties (so to minimize gerrymandering)?

[San Lumen]

Enough of this talk of armed insurrection and other fantasy talk. Can we get back to topic please?

Yes, we probably should.
So, how about mimicking the US Senate at the state level, with counties (so to minimize gerrymandering)?

The problem is as previously discussed via examples such as Delaware,Nevada or Illinois is a minority of the population has disproportionate power. If you want to end gerrymandering then the legislature should not have the power to draw legislative lines. It should be done via independent commission.

[Kubra]

Enough of this talk of armed insurrection and other fantasy talk. Can we get back to topic please?

This scheme may seem pointless, even daft at first glance. But upon further dialectical examination, it is very much pragmatic and achievable.

[San Lumen]

Enough of this talk of armed insurrection and other fantasy talk. Can we get back to topic please?

This scheme may seem pointless, even daft at first glance. But upon further dialectical examination, it is very much pragmatic and achievable.

Its also advocating criminal activity and probably a rule violation too.

[Proctopeo]

Yes, we probably should.
So, how about mimicking the US Senate at the state level, with counties (so to minimize gerrymandering)?

The problem is as previously discussed via examples such as Delaware,Nevada or Illinois is a minority of the population has disproportionate power.

Irrelevant. In many states as it stands, the urban population has disproportionate power, due to having effectively total control of the state government. Handing some power to everyone else, in one house of the legislature, would balance the scales.

If you want to end gerrymandering then the legislature should not have the power to draw legislative lines. It should be done via independent commission.

I was more talking about avoiding gerrymandering in this one instance.

[Telconi]

Yes, we probably should.
So, how about mimicking the US Senate at the state level, with counties (so to minimize gerrymandering)?

The problem is as previously discussed via examples such as Delaware,Nevada or Illinois is a minority of the population has disproportionate power. If you want to end gerrymandering then the legislature should not have the power to draw legislative lines. It should be done via independent commission.

Giving both sides an effective voice at the table isn't a bad thing.

[San Lumen]

The problem is as previously discussed via examples such as Delaware,Nevada or Illinois is a minority of the population has disproportionate power.

Irrelevant. In many states as it stands, the urban population has disproportionate power, due to having effectively total control of the state government. Handing some power to everyone else, in one house of the legislature, would balance the scales.

If you want to end gerrymandering then the legislature should not have the power to draw legislative lines. It should be done via independent commission.

I was more talking about avoiding gerrymandering in this one instance.

In fact in many states they do not.

You can avoid gerrymandering by not allowing politicians to draw the lines.

[Ors Might]

Yes, we probably should.
So, how about mimicking the US Senate at the state level, with counties (so to minimize gerrymandering)?

The problem is as previously discussed via examples such as Delaware,Nevada or Illinois is a minority of the population has disproportionate power. If you want to end gerrymandering then the legislature should not have the power to draw legislative lines. It should be done via independent commission.

You've failed to explain why a minority having disproportionate power is bad in every circumstance.

[Telconi]

This scheme may seem pointless, even daft at first glance. But upon further dialectical examination, it is very much pragmatic and achievable.

Its also advocating criminal activity and probably a rule violation too.

Oh, I'm certainly not advocating any criminal activity. Quite the contrary.

[Proctopeo]

Irrelevant. In many states as it stands, the urban population has disproportionate power, due to having effectively total control of the state government. Handing some power to everyone else, in one house of the legislature, would balance the scales.


I was more talking about avoiding gerrymandering in this one instance.

In fact in many states they do not.

But in many states they do, what's your point? Never did I say it was the case in every state, but definitely many of them.

You can avoid gerrymandering by not allowing politicians to draw the lines.

You're not understanding what I'm getting at here, are you?

[San Lumen]

The problem is as previously discussed via examples such as Delaware,Nevada or Illinois is a minority of the population has disproportionate power. If you want to end gerrymandering then the legislature should not have the power to draw legislative lines. It should be done via independent commission.

Giving both sides an effective voice at the table isn't a bad thing.

You already have a voice at the table. You elect a legislator like everyone else. I am tired of explaining this to you.

[San Lumen]

Its also advocating criminal activity and probably a rule violation too.

Oh, I'm certainly not advocating any criminal activity. Quite the contrary.

Calling for vandalism of infrastructure certainly is.

[Freezic Vast]

Giving both sides an effective voice at the table isn't a bad thing.

You already have a voice at the table. You elect a legislator like everyone else. I am tired of explaining this to you.

Not one that can actually get bills through and always gets shut down by the supermajorities.

[San Lumen]

In fact in many states they do not.

But in many states they do, what's your point? Never did I say it was the case in every state, but definitely many of them.

You can avoid gerrymandering by not allowing politicians to draw the lines.

You're not understanding what I'm getting at here, are you?

There are only a few examples were urban areas mean total control of state government.

I not following what you advocating for Im sorry.

[San Lumen]

You already have a voice at the table. You elect a legislator like everyone else. I am tired of explaining this to you.

Not one that can actually get bills through and always gets shut down by the supermajorities.

And the people of the state voted for that supermajority.

[Freezic Vast]

Not one that can actually get bills through and always gets shut down by the supermajorities.

And the people of the state voted for that supermajority.

And everyone who didn't gets screwed over time and again. It's not fair, and frankly the democratic system is flawed and needs to be changed one way or another.

[Proctopeo]

But in many states they do, what's your point? Never did I say it was the case in every state, but definitely many of them.


You're not understanding what I'm getting at here, are you?

There are only a few examples were urban areas mean total control of state government.

Those also happen to be very large states, with sizable populations who are de facto disenfranchised.

I not following what you advocating for Im sorry.

In regards to how this idea for a state senate would work, use counties, not "districts", to define representatives. This reduces the capacity to gerrymander that part of the legislature, as making new counties isn't that easy a process.

[Salandriagado]

You already have a voice at the table. You elect a legislator like everyone else. I am tired of explaining this to you.

Not one that can actually get bills through and always gets shut down by the supermajorities.

And? Does that mean we need vote-weighting for people with PhDs? Because we have vastly different political views from those with lower levels of education, far more so than the rural:urban split. And one for rich people. And black people. And so on, and so on. At what point are you going to stop, and how the hell are you going to justify putting that line anywhere other than "everybody gets their own weighting" and "everybody's vote is equal"?

[San Lumen]

There are only a few examples were urban areas mean total control of state government.

Those also happen to be very large states, with sizable populations who are de facto disenfranchised.

I not following what you advocating for Im sorry.

In regards to how this idea for a state senate would work, use counties, not "districts", to define representatives. This reduces the capacity to gerrymander that part of the legislature, as making new counties isn't that easy a process.

Clark County is 75 percent of the population of Nevada. If you include Washoe and Carson City almost 90 percent of the populous is in three counties. Through Carson City isn't part of any county. I don't see how a sizable population is disenfranchised in any way.

and by using counties instead of districts you are giving land area more voting power than population. In a situation like Nevada how is that fair?

[Telconi]

Giving both sides an effective voice at the table isn't a bad thing.

You already have a voice at the table. You elect a legislator like everyone else. I am tired of explaining this to you.

E F F E C T I V E

If the Urban people can tell my representative to guck off and implement their agenda with or without him he is functionally useless.

[Salandriagado]

You already have a voice at the table. You elect a legislator like everyone else. I am tired of explaining this to you.

E F F E C T I V E

If the Urban people can tell my representative to guck off and implement their agenda with or without him he is functionally useless.

If people without PhDs can tell my representative to fuck off and implement their agenda with or without him he is functionally useless.

[Telconi]

Oh, I'm certainly not advocating any criminal activity. Quite the contrary.

Calling for vandalism of infrastructure certainly is.

I never called for it, I'm calling for avoiding that