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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:20 pm

Telconi wrote:
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You honestly believe you could start a revolution and institute a coup to overthrow the democratically elected government of your state? How would you achieve this fantasy?


No, I honestly believe I could just make life miserable for the government.

By doing what exactly?

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Postby Ors Might » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Good. That’s what correcting power imbalances entails.

Why should place of residence give your vote more power?

Why should the color of your skin give you legal protections? Power imbalances. Like it or not, urban and rural communities are two important voting blocs in the US. They have different and sometimes opposing needs. Why should one be neglected because its smaller than the other?
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:People are saying they want balance not everything tilted towards rural areas. Jesus fucking Christ, learn to read.


And a upper house based on land area creates a unfair advantage.

Yes, that is the point. The point is to keep in check those areas. It's called balancing against the majority.

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Postby Kubra » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:21 pm

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Kubra wrote: Not in the senate.

That is neither fair nor democratic.
Fairness and democracy relies on compromising with minorities, especially the most significant one. I fail to see what the problem is.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:22 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
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And a upper house based on land area creates a unfair advantage.

Yes, that is the point. The point is to keep in check those areas. It's called balancing against the majority.

So as in the case of Nevada 75 percent of the population which is in Clark County should be overridden by a few small communities in the desert?

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No, I honestly believe I could just make life miserable for the government.

By doing what exactly?


Cutting power lines, water lines, sewers, etc. Basic vandalism of the state's infrastructure all the way up to armed resistance.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Yes, that is the point. The point is to keep in check those areas. It's called balancing against the majority.

So as in the case of Nevada 75 percent of the population which is in Clark County should be overridden by a few small communities in the desert?

"Overridden". Do you purposefully keep overlooking people saying that only one house would favor rural areas?

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Postby Kubra » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:29 pm

Telconi hasn't answered why he thinks he should have the same representation of someone who pays more to keep this country afloat
I mean you wanna talk two wolves and a sheep voting who gets a tax increase, there it is.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:30 pm

Kubra wrote:Telconi hasn't answered why he thinks he should have the same representation of someone who pays more to keep this country afloat
I mean you wanna talk two wolves and a sheep voting who gets a tax increase, there it is.


Not obligated to defend your straw men.
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:31 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:By doing what exactly?


Cutting power lines, water lines, sewers, etc. Basic vandalism of the state's infrastructure all the way up to armed resistance.


How to end up in prison in one easy step.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:32 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Cutting power lines, water lines, sewers, etc. Basic vandalism of the state's infrastructure all the way up to armed resistance.


How to end up in prison in one easy step.


Let's be honest, suspects who shoot back rarely end up in prison.
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:33 pm

Telconi wrote:
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How to end up in prison in one easy step.


Let's be honest, suspects who shoot back rarely end up in prison.


Ah, so you're going to try to commit murder, then end up dead. You'll cost the state one whole bullet.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:33 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:By doing what exactly?


Cutting power lines, water lines, sewers, etc. Basic vandalism of the state's infrastructure all the way up to armed resistance.


So in other words criminal activity against those evil non rural people? Im surprised your not in prison already.
Telconi wrote:
Kubra wrote:Telconi hasn't answered why he thinks he should have the same representation of someone who pays more to keep this country afloat
I mean you wanna talk two wolves and a sheep voting who gets a tax increase, there it is.


Not obligated to defend your straw men.


Thats not a straw man. Its what the thread is about.

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Postby Kubra » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:35 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kubra wrote:Telconi hasn't answered why he thinks he should have the same representation of someone who pays more to keep this country afloat
I mean you wanna talk two wolves and a sheep voting who gets a tax increase, there it is.


Not obligated to defend your straw men.
>straw man
lol how so
Really now, what makes you think you deserve more representation than them?
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:35 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Cutting power lines, water lines, sewers, etc. Basic vandalism of the state's infrastructure all the way up to armed resistance.


How to end up in prison in one easy step.

That's one of the risks of resisting those you oppose. Kind of goes with the territory.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:36 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:By doing what exactly?


Cutting power lines, water lines, sewers, etc. Basic vandalism of the state's infrastructure all the way up to armed resistance.


Hmmmmm. You would probably loose the support of the people.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:38 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Cutting power lines, water lines, sewers, etc. Basic vandalism of the state's infrastructure all the way up to armed resistance.


Hmmmmm. You would probably loose the support of the people.


Well I wouldn't be doing it in my neighborhoods.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:39 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmmmm. You would probably loose the support of the people.


Well I wouldn't be doing it in my neighborhoods.


And you think the state wont throw you in prison for vandalism and criminal trespassing?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:39 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Let's be honest, suspects who shoot back rarely end up in prison.


Ah, so you're going to try to commit murder, then end up dead. You'll cost the state one whole bullet.


Cops aren't immortal *shrug*.

Besides, infrastructure vanda list is hardly difficult to get away with, it isn't like every power pole has armed guards. Or even every transformer or substation.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well I wouldn't be doing it in my neighborhoods.


And you think the state wont throw you in prison for vandalism and criminal trespassing?


They most certainly would if I were caught. Or try, this was previously covered.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:40 pm

Telconi wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Ah, so you're going to try to commit murder, then end up dead. You'll cost the state one whole bullet.


Cops aren't immortal *shrug*.

Besides, infrastructure vanda list is hardly difficult to get away with, it isn't like every power pole has armed guards. Or even every transformer or substation.


You go do that sometime and see how long it takes before your caught. The answer not long.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Cops aren't immortal *shrug*.

Besides, infrastructure vanda list is hardly difficult to get away with, it isn't like every power pole has armed guards. Or even every transformer or substation.


You go do that sometime and see how long it takes before your caught. The answer not long.


Okie doke.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:41 pm

Telconi wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Ah, so you're going to try to commit murder, then end up dead. You'll cost the state one whole bullet.


Cops aren't immortal *shrug*.

Besides, infrastructure vanda list is hardly difficult to get away with, it isn't like every power pole has armed guards. Or even every transformer or substation.

So you dislike police officers too? And you claim to not be an anarchist.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Cops aren't immortal *shrug*.

Besides, infrastructure vanda list is hardly difficult to get away with, it isn't like every power pole has armed guards. Or even every transformer or substation.

So you dislike police officers too? And you claim to not be an anarchist.


Mortal = dislike? wow, I must dislike every living thing...
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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:42 pm

Telconi wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Ah, so you're going to try to commit murder, then end up dead. You'll cost the state one whole bullet.


Cops aren't immortal *shrug*.

Besides, infrastructure vanda list is hardly difficult to get away with, it isn't like every power pole has armed guards. Or even every transformer or substation.


To harm anybody other than the people you claim to be trying to help with your silly little insurgency, you'd have to do it in the middle of a city. Where there will be literally hundreds of witnesses, all of them extremely pissed off at you. You wouldn't last ten minutes.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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