Should Rural Votes be Weighted Against Urban Votes?

[Telconi]

It isn't a fantasy, it's literally a reality. He says "my county needs road work too!" And the legislature gives him a collective "fuck off rural scum" and passes a budget without him.

Maybe if you took your blinders off you'd understand how your government works.

And you wonder why people like me hate people like you...

[Telconi]

It isn't a suggestion, it's a "I have fucking participated in this."

So you have literally paved state highways yourself?

Yes.

[San Lumen]

Maybe if you took your blinders off you'd understand how your government works.

And you wonder why people like me hate people like you...

Perhaps you should get a civics lesson instead of looking at everything through your alternate reality you live in.

[Ors Might]

And you wonder why people like me hate people like you...

Perhaps you should get a civics lesson instead of looking at everything through your alternate reality you live in.

Maybe you should listen to people and realize that they understand how the government works. They just think its shit.

[Telconi]

And you wonder why people like me hate people like you...

Perhaps you should get a civics lesson instead of looking at everything through your alternate reality you live in.

Uh huh...

[San Lumen]

Perhaps you should get a civics lesson instead of looking at everything through your alternate reality you live in.

Maybe you should listen to people and realize that they understand how the government works. They just think its shit.

The alternative is not giving disproportionate representation to a minority of the population. Should Telconi's vote for governor count more too? a statewide office is by how many counties you win not by number of votes received?

[Telconi]

Maybe you should listen to people and realize that they understand how the government works. They just think its shit.

The alternative is not giving disproportionate representation to a minority of the population. Should Telconi's vote for governor count more too? a statewide office is by how many counties you win not by number of votes received?

It's better than the other altenatives. Because what is cannot continue.

[Ors Might]

Maybe you should listen to people and realize that they understand how the government works. They just think its shit.

The alternative is not giving disproportionate representation to a minority of the population. Should Telconi's vote for governor count more too? a statewide office is by how many counties you win not by number of votes received?

And how is any of that changed by simply copying the federal legislature for states? Rural communities get their representatives and urban communities get theirs. They have to compromise and discuss things to get what they want. What do you not understand?

[Napkiraly]

Uh, no there would be negotiations. That is quite clear by the balanced system. I could easily flip this and say "What if Chicago doesn't want to pay for upgrades throughout rural Illinois. Too bad?"

The only difference of course is that my example actually happens.

How is this hard to wrap your head around? Honest question.

You think there isn't negotiation currently? What do you think a budget is? Each county gets things it wants. Why do people have this fantasy that a representative from a rural community is mute in the legislature and gets no opportunity to speak, offer any amendments or get anything for their area?

It isn't a fantasy. Depending on the state or area, a major urban area can easily take up to 40-50%+ of the local government representation (when factoring in suburbs or very small localities within/close to the metropolitan area. That's why Southern Illinois feels like a completely different world from Cook County.

[San Lumen]

The alternative is not giving disproportionate representation to a minority of the population. Should Telconi's vote for governor count more too? a statewide office is by how many counties you win not by number of votes received?

It's better than the other altenatives. Because what is cannot continue.

Why is it better? Why are you going to do overthrow the governor in a violent revolution? You would be in jail long before you got to that point. That is known as sedition and insurrection.

[San Lumen]

The alternative is not giving disproportionate representation to a minority of the population. Should Telconi's vote for governor count more too? a statewide office is by how many counties you win not by number of votes received?

And how is any of that changed by simply copying the federal legislature for states? Rural communities get their representatives and urban communities get theirs. They have to compromise and discuss things to get what they want. What do you not understand?

Because representation should not be based on land area. Why should a minority of the population be able to override the majority? 60 percent of the populous of Illinois is in Chicagoland.

[Telconi]

It's better than the other altenatives. Because what is cannot continue.

Why is it better? Why are you going to do overthrow the governor in a violent revolution? You would be in jail long before you got to that point. That is known as sedition and insurrection.

Well I'd hardly be working alone.

[Napkiraly]

Maybe you should listen to people and realize that they understand how the government works. They just think its shit.

The alternative is not giving disproportionate representation to a minority of the population. Should Telconi's vote for governor count more too? a statewide office is by how many counties you win not by number of votes received?

People are saying they want balance not everything tilted towards rural areas. Jesus fucking Christ, learn to read.

[Ors Might]

And how is any of that changed by simply copying the federal legislature for states? Rural communities get their representatives and urban communities get theirs. They have to compromise and discuss things to get what they want. What do you not understand?

Because representation should not be based on land area. Why should a minority of the population be able to override the majority? 60 percent of the populous of Illinois is in Chicagoland.

Because simply having a majority on your side is not a good reason to screw over the minority. That’s the exact damn reasoning behind why racial and sexual minorities have legal protection, so that the majority can’t simply screw them over.

[San Lumen]

Why is it better? Why are you going to do overthrow the governor in a violent revolution? You would be in jail long before you got to that point. That is known as sedition and insurrection.

Well I'd hardly be working alone.

And you somehow believe the majority of your state would just go along with this coup of yours?

[San Lumen]

The alternative is not giving disproportionate representation to a minority of the population. Should Telconi's vote for governor count more too? a statewide office is by how many counties you win not by number of votes received?

People are saying they want balance not everything tilted towards rural areas. Jesus fucking Christ, learn to read.

And a upper house based on land area creates a unfair advantage.

[Kubra]

I agree fully, but hot take: the real difference in interest is rich and poor, not rural and urban.
Therefore, we ought to restructure the senate as a house of lords, and have strict property requirements for office and the vote.

Those who rent should not be able to vote or run for office?

Not in the senate.

[San Lumen]

Those who rent should not be able to vote or run for office?

Not in the senate.

That is neither fair nor democratic.

[Telconi]

Well I'd hardly be working alone.

And you somehow believe the majority of your state would just go along with this coup of yours?

It hardly takes a majority of the population to mess up life for everyone.

[Ors Might]

People are saying they want balance not everything tilted towards rural areas. Jesus fucking Christ, learn to read.

And a upper house based on land area creates a unfair advantage.

Good. That’s what correcting power imbalances entails.

[Kubra]

I agree fully, but hot take: the real difference in interest is rich and poor, not rural and urban.
Therefore, we ought to restructure the senate as a house of lords, and have strict property requirements for office and the vote.

I disagree with your assessment, I have far more in common with a wealthy landowner near my home than I have with a working class fellow in San Francisco.

Considering the differential tax burden, that couldn't be farther from the case.
look, they contribute the most to the federal treasury and yet we afford them no representation proportional to such. Is this fair?

I agree fully, but hot take: the real difference in interest is rich and poor, not rural and urban.
Therefore, we ought to restructure the senate as a house of lords, and have strict property requirements for office and the vote.

Hotter take: We eat the rich and the politicians.

sry I'm a vegan

[Ors Might]

Considering the differential tax burden, that couldn't be farther from the case.
look, they contribute the most to the federal treasury and yet we afford them no representation proportional to such. Is this fair?

I disagree with your assessment, I have far more in common with a wealthy landowner near my home than I have with a working class fellow in San Francisco.

Hotter take: We eat the rich and the politicians.

sry I'm a vegan

God damn vegans, always ruining my meat based revolutions >:^[

[San Lumen]

And you somehow believe the majority of your state would just go along with this coup of yours?

It hardly takes a majority of the population to mess up life for everyone.

You honestly believe you could start a revolution and institute a coup to overthrow the democratically elected government of your state? How would you achieve this fantasy?

[San Lumen]

And a upper house based on land area creates a unfair advantage.

Good. That’s what correcting power imbalances entails.

Why should place of residence give your vote more power?

[Telconi]

It hardly takes a majority of the population to mess up life for everyone.

You honestly believe you could start a revolution and institute a coup to overthrow the democratically elected government of your state? How would you achieve this fantasy?

No, I honestly believe I could just make life miserable for the government.