Should Rural Votes be Weighted Against Urban Votes?

[Auze]

Anon, I am right though. Explain to me how arresting people for saying the wrong thing is really all that different. Please defend the above. I really wanna see you try. Even better, defend the show trials! You don't know where to start because you can't :^).

Europe is a discount ME.

TEM, you remain utterly fucking wrong, as usual. Let me know when Europe starts arresting and torturing journalists, staging fake coup d'etats to justify purges of the military and bureaucracy (like your own motherland and her sultan!), executing homosexuals and "apostates", murdering, kidnapping, and torturing women who won't go along with arranged marriages, assassinating candidates for national office who are considered too reformist, stopping people with so much as an Israeli passport stamp from even connecting through its airports, having terrorist groups and rival warlords take over large areas of its territory, having its cities obliterated by civil war, and being poor and riddled with epidemic disease- until then, your absurd hyperboles will remain as laughable as ever.

1. Belarus
2. Sweden tried a few decades ago
3.None, though Turkey wants to.
4. Albania
5. Belarus again, and a few others have been accused
6. None
7. Serbia, Russia
8. See: Yugoslav wars
9. Moldavia and the 2009 flu pandemic
There are a few examples that I found, I am not taking a side in the debate however.

[Senkaku]

TEM, you remain utterly fucking wrong, as usual. Let me know when Europe starts arresting and torturing journalists, staging fake coup d'etats to justify purges of the military and bureaucracy (like your own motherland and her sultan!), executing homosexuals and "apostates", murdering, kidnapping, and torturing women who won't go along with arranged marriages, assassinating candidates for national office who are considered too reformist, stopping people with so much as an Israeli passport stamp from even connecting through its airports, having terrorist groups and rival warlords take over large areas of its territory, having its cities obliterated by civil war, and being poor and riddled with epidemic disease- until then, your absurd hyperboles will remain as laughable as ever.

1. Belarus
2. Sweden tried a few decades ago
3.None, though Turkey wants to.
4. Albania
5. Belarus again, and a few others have been accused
6. None
7. Serbia, Russia
8. See: Yugoslav wars
9. Moldavia and the 2009 flu pandemic
There are a few examples that I found, I am not taking a side in the debate however.

>Belarus, Serbia, Moldova, Russia, Albania, Turkey
>"Europe"

The last coup or coup attempt in Sweden that I'm familiar with is 1809 tho so you'll have to fill me in

[Telconi]

1. Belarus
2. Sweden tried a few decades ago
3.None, though Turkey wants to.
4. Albania
5. Belarus again, and a few others have been accused
6. None
7. Serbia, Russia
8. See: Yugoslav wars
9. Moldavia and the 2009 flu pandemic
There are a few examples that I found, I am not taking a side in the debate however.

>Belarus, Serbia, Moldova, Russia, Albania, Turkey
>"Europe"

The last coup or coup attempt in Sweden that I'm familiar with is 1809 tho so you'll have to fill me in

Most of those countries are entirely in europe, and all are partly.

[Napkiraly]

Belgian security ended up investigating 1/4 of the population in Molenbeek and found that there was considerable support for the jihadists. This isn't the only place like that in Europe. So I mean, "losing areas to terrorist groups". I'm not even going to get into all the other nationalist, far-right, and far-left groups out there either where you can find considerable support in certain areas and among the correct crowds.

[Auze]

1. Belarus
2. Sweden tried a few decades ago
3.None, though Turkey wants to.
4. Albania
5. Belarus again, and a few others have been accused
6. None
7. Serbia, Russia
8. See: Yugoslav wars
9. Moldavia and the 2009 flu pandemic
There are a few examples that I found, I am not taking a side in the debate however.

>Belarus, Serbia, Moldova, Russia, Albania, Turkey
>"Europe"

The last coup or coup attempt in Sweden that I'm familiar with is 1809 tho so you'll have to fill me in

They are in Europe, you never said it had to be Western Europe.
Misread the date, it was in 1772.

[San Lumen]

We are getting way off topic here

[Ors Might]

Honest question. Do you think democracy is an inherent good? Because thats how a lot of your posts come across as in this thread.

WRA wants to establish a single-party state, so no.

Anon, I am right though. Explain to me how arresting people for saying the wrong thing is really all that different. Please defend the above. I really wanna see you try. Even better, defend the show trials! You don't know where to start because you can't :^).

Europe is a discount ME.

TEM, you remain utterly fucking wrong, as usual. Let me know when Europe starts arresting and torturing journalists, staging fake coup d'etats to justify purges of the military and bureaucracy (like your own motherland and her sultan!), executing homosexuals and "apostates", murdering, kidnapping, and torturing women who won't go along with arranged marriages, assassinating candidates for national office who are considered too reformist, stopping people with so much as an Israeli passport stamp from even connecting through its airports, having terrorist groups and rival warlords take over large areas of its territory, having its cities obliterated by civil war, and being poor and riddled with epidemic disease- until then, your absurd hyperboles will remain as laughable as ever.

What does WRA have to do with it? I was asking San Lumen.

[San Lumen]

WRA wants to establish a single-party state, so no.


TEM, you remain utterly fucking wrong, as usual. Let me know when Europe starts arresting and torturing journalists, staging fake coup d'etats to justify purges of the military and bureaucracy (like your own motherland and her sultan!), executing homosexuals and "apostates", murdering, kidnapping, and torturing women who won't go along with arranged marriages, assassinating candidates for national office who are considered too reformist, stopping people with so much as an Israeli passport stamp from even connecting through its airports, having terrorist groups and rival warlords take over large areas of its territory, having its cities obliterated by civil war, and being poor and riddled with epidemic disease- until then, your absurd hyperboles will remain as laughable as ever.

What does WRA have to do with it? I was asking San Lumen.

What were you asking me?

[Ors Might]

It should just be appointed by the governor then?

Honest question. Do you think democracy is an inherent good? Because thats how a lot of your posts come across as in this thread.

[San Lumen]

Honest question. Do you think democracy is an inherent good? Because thats how a lot of your posts come across as in this thread.

Yes it is an inherent good.

[Ors Might]

Yes it is an inherent good.

How? The fact that a majority votes on something to happen does not mean that it should be so. Groups don’t gain moral superiority because of numerical superiority.

[San Lumen]

Yes it is an inherent good.

How? The fact that a majority votes on something to happen does not mean that it should be so. Groups don’t gain moral superiority because of numerical superiority.

No it does not mean that but courts exist for a reason to protect the minority from the majority such as the Montgomery bus law or Brown Vs Board of Education.

[Ors Might]

How? The fact that a majority votes on something to happen does not mean that it should be so. Groups don’t gain moral superiority because of numerical superiority.

No it does not mean that but courts exist for a reason to protect the minority from the majority such as the Montgomery bus law or Brown Vs Board of Education.

But that’s sidestepping democracy, so democracy is not in and of itself a good thing. Lets say that you were living in a democratic country without our court system. Would you really respect the democratic process if the majority voted to implement slavery?

[San Lumen]

No it does not mean that but courts exist for a reason to protect the minority from the majority such as the Montgomery bus law or Brown Vs Board of Education.

But that’s sidestepping democracy, so democracy is not in and of itself a good thing. Lets say that you were living in a democratic country without our court system. Would you really respect the democratic process if the majority voted to implement slavery?

No I would not. If there were no courts as a check then is that country really a democracy?

[Ors Might]

But that’s sidestepping democracy, so democracy is not in and of itself a good thing. Lets say that you were living in a democratic country without our court system. Would you really respect the democratic process if the majority voted to implement slavery?

No I would not. If there were no courts as a check then is that country really a democracy?

Yes. Democracy does not require courts to be defined as a democracy.

[San Lumen]

No I would not. If there were no courts as a check then is that country really a democracy?

Yes. Democracy does not require courts to be defined as a democracy.

I Would seriously question staying in that country and seek to move to another.

[Ors Might]

Yes. Democracy does not require courts to be defined as a democracy.

I Would seriously question staying in that country and seek to move to another.

But you can see why democracy isn’t inherently good right? If a system leads to abuses, you would not claim that system as good. Even if it was completely democratic.

[San Lumen]

I Would seriously question staying in that country and seek to move to another.

But you can see why democracy isn’t inherently good right? If a system leads to abuses, you would not claim that system as good. Even if it was completely democratic.

Yes however a system without courts is a awful system and not a true democracy.

[Ors Might]

But you can see why democracy isn’t inherently good right? If a system leads to abuses, you would not claim that system as good. Even if it was completely democratic.

Yes however a system without courts is a awful system and not a true democracy.

I agree that it’d be a terrible system but it’d still be a “true democracy” as long as every citizen could vote. That’s kind of what I’m getting at. No reason to support democracy if democracy consistently fails you.

[San Lumen]

Yes however a system without courts is a awful system and not a true democracy.

I agree that it’d be a terrible system but it’d still be a “true democracy” as long as every citizen could vote. That’s kind of what I’m getting at. No reason to support democracy if democracy consistently fails you.

But a dictatorship or a system where one group has consistently more power over another via a rigged system is no better such weighting rural votes so they count more.

[Napkiraly]

But you can see why democracy isn’t inherently good right? If a system leads to abuses, you would not claim that system as good. Even if it was completely democratic.

Yes however a system without courts is a awful system and not a true democracy.

You don't have to have a court system to be a democracy.

[Ors Might]

I agree that it’d be a terrible system but it’d still be a “true democracy” as long as every citizen could vote. That’s kind of what I’m getting at. No reason to support democracy if democracy consistently fails you.

But a dictatorship or a system where one group has consistently more power over another via a rigged system is no better such weighting rural votes so they count more.

But the rural community wouldn’t necessarily have more power over urbanites, not if only one part of the legislature is based on population. Sure, you could argue that they have disproportional power but that isn’t the same as rigging the system. It forces two typically opposing groups to compromise to get what they want. And no, that isn’t what we have now. The majority getting what it desires is not a compromise between it and the minority group.

[Telconi]

I agree that it’d be a terrible system but it’d still be a “true democracy” as long as every citizen could vote. That’s kind of what I’m getting at. No reason to support democracy if democracy consistently fails you.

But a dictatorship or a system where one group has consistently more power over another via a rigged system is no better such weighting rural votes so they count more.

It's better for the people being given an advantage.

[San Lumen]

But a dictatorship or a system where one group has consistently more power over another via a rigged system is no better such weighting rural votes so they count more.

But the rural community wouldn’t necessarily have more power over urbanites, not if only one part of the legislature is based on population. Sure, you could argue that they have disproportional power but that isn’t the same as rigging the system. It forces two typically opposing groups to compromise to get what they want. And no, that isn’t what we have now. The majority getting what it desires is not a compromise between it and the minority group.

It has already been demonstrated multiple times via extreme examples of how unfair a system like that would be such as Delaware, Illinois or Nevada.

[San Lumen]

But a dictatorship or a system where one group has consistently more power over another via a rigged system is no better such weighting rural votes so they count more.

It's better for the people being given an advantage.

So people like you could have a policy of totally ignoring the majority of your states population?