Breaking: Georgia USA Shooting

[Thermodolia]

Ya know ya might want to tone it down a notch or two.

Tone what down? I'm simply pointing out the amount of pro mass shooting people there are in this thread.

That could be viewed as trolling or baiting by the mods. So I’d turn it down a few

[Reploid Productions]

Surprised there are so many mass shooting supporters in this thread....

Just pointing out the large amount of pro mass shooting people in this thread...

Why do you want to ban people from flying in planes? Are you a fascist?

Is it my fault that there are so many people in this thread who approve of mass shootings?

It's not a strawman to point out that the thread has attracted the mass shooters lobby.

Yeah, given your history on Hallistrom and the loss of that nation for chronic Failure to Learn to Follow the Site Rules, we're skipping several steps right up the ladder on your constant flamebaiting and trolling of those who happen to disagree with you.

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[Thermodolia]

Ya know ya might want to tone it down a notch or two.

Tone what down? I'm simply pointing out the amount of pro mass shooting people there are in this thread.

Also how is anyone in this thread a supporter of mass shootings when said shooting the topic is about isn’t a mass shooting? The FBI states that 4 people need to be shot to be mass shooting. Only two people where shot here so it’s not a mass shooting.

[The Two Jerseys]

Tone what down? I'm simply pointing out the amount of pro mass shooting people there are in this thread.

Also how is anyone in this thread a supporter of mass shootings when said shooting the topic is about isn’t a mass shooting? The FBI states that 4 people need to be shot to be mass shooting. Only two people where shot here so it’s not a mass shooting.

Apparently we're all completely disappointed that only 2 people were shot and wish that they just started shooting the students for no reason, because we're Bad People_TM.

[Tobleste]

Tone what down? I'm simply pointing out the amount of pro mass shooting people there are in this thread.

Also how is anyone in this thread a supporter of mass shootings when said shooting the topic is about isn’t a mass shooting? The FBI states that 4 people need to be shot to be mass shooting. Only two people where shot here so it’s not a mass shooting.

I'm not the one you're responding to but I can see his point. I don't think there are many supporters of mass shootings (aside from the actual perpetrators obviously) but there are a significant amount of people (although still a minority) who support the status quo of easy access to guns and also accept the high rates of gun violence and escalating mass shootings out of fear that any serious attempts to change that might threaten their access to guns.

After every mass shooting, the instant response among gun control opponents is to 'not politicise it' which just means don't even attempt to discuss a way of preventing a repeat of it by using political solutions (e.g. gun control, mental health services).

[Aclion]

I'm not the one you're responding to but I can see his point. I don't think there are many supporters of mass shootings (aside from the actual perpetrators obviously) but there are a significant amount of people (although still a minority) who support the status quo of easy access to guns and also accept the high rates of gun violence and escalating mass shootings out of fear that any serious attempts to change that might threaten their access to guns.

After every mass shooting, the instant response among gun control opponents is to 'not politicise it' which just means don't even attempt to discuss a way of preventing a repeat of it by using political solutions (e.g. gun control, mental health services).

Gun control opponent have offered multiple ways to handle gun violence in general and mass shooting specifically, without violating anyone rights. From requiring that disqualifying conditions be reported to NICS so it can actually do it's job, to ending the war on drugs which the source of most of our gun violence in the first place.

These proposals have been roundly blocked by the gun control movement (which it must be remembered, benefits politically and financially from mass shootings) so they can instead focus on closing loopholes that don't exist, creating a registry of all firearm owners when they can't even keep track of felons, banning firearms because they "look scary", and push through discriminatory licensing schemes. All which has been tried before and none of which has done dick to stop violence.

[Myfanwyski]

if you can't ban the gun- the ban the bullets

[Datlofff]

At this point we really need a school shooting megathread. We get like one thread per day on this thing.
Yesterday I was reading yahoo news and the articles said: Coverage of deadly school shooting in america. And my brain just autocorrected it to daily instead. It felt so natural it took other people pointing it out for me to notice that was not the actual title.

You people need some serious help.

This country has a serious mental health problem yes.

[Telconi]

if you can't ban the gun- the ban the bullets

If you can't ban them from voting, just make a poll tax they can't pay!

See, it's equally scummy when you do it for other rights too.

[Petrasylvania]

Realistically, talk of improving mental health services is hollow feelgood platitude coming from the same Republican Party that's trying to abolish safety nets in some Social Darwinist drive.

Banning every single firearm is excessive.

Improving and enforcing background checks to make it smoother is reasonable.

It would never happen realistically, but in the interest of teaching lessons the hard way I would propose a county in a red state or even an entire red state be experimentally allowed a complete firearm fiesta for a few years. No restrictions on firearms including automatic weapons and destructive devices. If the test area can prove the pro gun argument through the testing period by not ending up as either the Bad Ending of Needful Things or a gun running bazaar then that would settle the debate. Otherwise there would be a hard understanding that restrictions are necessary.

[Tobleste]

I'm not the one you're responding to but I can see his point. I don't think there are many supporters of mass shootings (aside from the actual perpetrators obviously) but there are a significant amount of people (although still a minority) who support the status quo of easy access to guns and also accept the high rates of gun violence and escalating mass shootings out of fear that any serious attempts to change that might threaten their access to guns.

After every mass shooting, the instant response among gun control opponents is to 'not politicise it' which just means don't even attempt to discuss a way of preventing a repeat of it by using political solutions (e.g. gun control, mental health services).

Gun control opponent have offered multiple ways to handle gun violence in general and mass shooting specifically, without violating anyone rights. From requiring that disqualifying conditions be reported to NICS so it can actually do it's job, to ending the war on drugs which the source of most of our gun violence in the first place.

These proposals have been roundly blocked by the gun control movement (which it must be remembered, benefits politically and financially from mass shootings) so they can instead focus on closing loopholes that don't exist, creating a registry of all firearm owners when they can't even keep track of felons, banning firearms because they "look scary", and push through discriminatory licensing schemes. All which has been tried before and none of which has done dick to stop violence.

Yeah great points like this at why people demonise gun control opponents.

[Cupofchar]

if you can't ban the gun- the ban the bullets

If you can't ban them from voting, just make a poll tax they can't pay!

See, it's equally scummy when you do it for other rights too.

Owning a gun is not a right it is a responsibility. The government needs to ensure that gun ownership has no adverse effects on society by specifying who, why, what and how guns are used for and kept.

The right you mention is an outdated relic of a bygone age and the amendment concerning this should be altered to reflect this. The mindset maintaining the status quo is promoted by big business which pretends it is to do with personal liberty and nationalism, which it isn't. The precepts they claim they are defending should be handled by agencies which act in the interests of the wider society. So, the military, police and government would ideally do this for a safe and free society.

[Telconi]

If you can't ban them from voting, just make a poll tax they can't pay!

See, it's equally scummy when you do it for other rights too.

Owning a gun is not a right it is a responsibility. The government needs to ensure that gun ownership has no adverse effects on society by specifying who, why, what and how guns are used for and kept.

The right you mention is an outdated relic of a bygone age and the amendment concerning this should be altered to reflect this. The mindset maintaining the status quo is promoted by big business which pretends it is to do with personal liberty and nationalism, which it isn't. The precepts they claim they are defending should be handled by agencies which act in the interests of the wider society. So, the military, police and government would ideally do this for a safe and free society.

Everything you just wrote is wrong.

[Grinning Dragon]

If you can't ban them from voting, just make a poll tax they can't pay!

See, it's equally scummy when you do it for other rights too.

Owning a gun is not a right it is a responsibility. The government needs to ensure that gun ownership has no adverse effects on society by specifying who, why, what and how guns are used for and kept.

The right you mention is an outdated relic of a bygone age and the amendment concerning this should be altered to reflect this. The mindset maintaining the status quo is promoted by big business which pretends it is to do with personal liberty and nationalism, which it isn't. The precepts they claim they are defending should be handled by agencies which act in the interests of the wider society. So, the military, police and government would ideally do this for a safe and free society.

what you have just said is the most idiotic

[Ors Might]

If you can't ban them from voting, just make a poll tax they can't pay!

See, it's equally scummy when you do it for other rights too.

Owning a gun is not a right it is a responsibility. The government needs to ensure that gun ownership has no adverse effects on society by specifying who, why, what and how guns are used for and kept.

The right you mention is an outdated relic of a bygone age and the amendment concerning this should be altered to reflect this. The mindset maintaining the status quo is promoted by big business which pretends it is to do with personal liberty and nationalism, which it isn't. The precepts they claim they are defending should be handled by agencies which act in the interests of the wider society. So, the military, police and government would ideally do this for a safe and free society.

Tfw an armed government placing restrictions upon my ability to defend myself creates a free and safe society.

I’ll tell you what, if you can get every other entity in the world, government and militaries included, to give up their weapons, I’d be a hell of a lot more willing to consider giving up mine.

[Pilarcraft]

Owning a gun is not a right it is a responsibility. The government needs to ensure that gun ownership has no adverse effects on society by specifying who, why, what and how guns are used for and kept.

The right you mention is an outdated relic of a bygone age and the amendment concerning this should be altered to reflect this. The mindset maintaining the status quo is promoted by big business which pretends it is to do with personal liberty and nationalism, which it isn't. The precepts they claim they are defending should be handled by agencies which act in the interests of the wider society. So, the military, police and government would ideally do this for a safe and free society.

Tfw an armed government placing restrictions upon my ability to defend myself creates a free and safe society.

I’ll tell you what, if you can get every other entity in the world, government and militaries included, to give up their weapons, I’d be a hell of a lot more willing to consider giving up mine.

Honestly, this. If the state -the biggest sponsor of violence, not to mention the entity that does the most violence- is allowed to be armed, why should I, the lowly citizen, lose my last -though measly- line of defense?
Like, "your pistols won't defend against the army tanks" isn't a good enough reason for me to lose that pistol too. If anything, it's a reason for me to have access to tanks too. Gun control won't make any sense until The State is disarmed first.

[Ors Might]

Tfw an armed government placing restrictions upon my ability to defend myself creates a free and safe society.

I’ll tell you what, if you can get every other entity in the world, government and militaries included, to give up their weapons, I’d be a hell of a lot more willing to consider giving up mine.

Honestly, this. If the state -the biggest sponsor of violence, not to mention the entity that does the most violence- is allowed to be armed, why should I, the lowly citizen, lose my last -though measly- line of defense?
Like, "your pistols won't defend against the army tanks" isn't a good enough reason for me to lose that pistol too. If anything, it's a reason for me to have access to tanks too. Gun control won't make any sense until The State is disarmed first.

“We can’t trust citizens with weapons of war!” sounds pretty suspicious if the speaker is totally fine with the government having access to those same weapons.

[Mystic Warriors]

I don't even know what to say anymore. It happens so often you just kinda move past it faster each time. There are so many things that can be done, even just fixing our horrid mental health system. But even these are being hated and blocked.

[Telconi]

I don't even know what to say anymore. It happens so often you just kinda move past it faster each time. There are so many things that can be done, even just fixing our horrid mental health system. But even these are being hated and blocked.

Adversity is a helluva drug.