10 dead in Santa Fe High Shooting in Santa Fe, Tx

[Gig em Aggies]

I don't know if this has been touched on yet but the Santa Fe shooter stole his dads guns if he couldn't get it from him then he would have stolen them from elsewhere.

Was his gun stored properly?

Don't know the authorities said the .38 revolver and the shotgun were owned and registered to his father. There trying to figure how the kid acquired the guns in the first place.

[Petrolheadia]

Less dead people for one.

And everything I said in that post above.

I don’t mean you specifically. If the majority of gun control activists were as willing as you to give us something, we might see some reform. Unfortunately California’s laws still exist and are just one reason why trust is hard.

You want to shoot a few bullets.

We want people to live.

Conversely, what have pro-gun activists ever done to earn our trust? At what point have they honoured any of their compromises? Hell, what would we get out a compromise?

For one, we agreed to your nonsense laws in the first place. Then when it turned out that your laws were ineffective, you wanted to implement more. We agreed and this process repeated until you lost our support.

>gun control law proposed
>gun folks get angry
>"compromise"
>half-assed gun control law made
>half-assed law not working because half-assed
>"we knew it would fail"
>"scrap it"
>law scrapped
>"gun control bad mmmmkay?"

[Gig em Aggies]

I don’t mean you specifically. If the majority of gun control activists were as willing as you to give us something, we might see some reform. Unfortunately California’s laws still exist and are just one reason why trust is hard.

You want to shoot a few bullets.

We want people to live.

For one, we agreed to your nonsense laws in the first place. Then when it turned out that your laws were ineffective, you wanted to implement more. We agreed and this process repeated until you lost our support.

>gun control law proposed
>gun folks get angry
>"compromise"
>half-assed gun control law made
>half-assed law not working because half-assed
>"we knew it would fail"
>"scrap it"
>law scrapped
>"gun control bad mmmmkay?"

Well y'all keep bringing up the AWB and people still got assault rifles and still killed at what point do you stop and think that when it happens again after every law you pass or march that says never again do you think maybe we should try something different.

[Petrolheadia]

You want to shoot a few bullets.

We want people to live.

>gun control law proposed
>gun folks get angry
>"compromise"
>half-assed gun control law made
>half-assed law not working because half-assed
>"we knew it would fail"
>"scrap it"
>law scrapped
>"gun control bad mmmmkay?"

Well y'all keep bringing up the AWB and people still got assault rifles and still killed at what point do you stop and think that when it happens again after every law you pass or march that says never again do you think maybe we should try something different.

We have something different.

Banning gun carry.

[Ors Might]

I don’t mean you specifically. If the majority of gun control activists were as willing as you to give us something, we might see some reform. Unfortunately California’s laws still exist and are just one reason why trust is hard.

You want to shoot a few bullets.

We want people to live.

For one, we agreed to your nonsense laws in the first place. Then when it turned out that your laws were ineffective, you wanted to implement more. We agreed and this process repeated until you lost our support.

>gun control law proposed
>gun folks get angry
>"compromise"
>half-assed gun control law made
>half-assed law not working because half-assed
>"we knew it would fail"
>"scrap it"
>law scrapped
>"gun control bad mmmmkay?"

I want people to protect themselves.

You want them to die to a bunch of brutes with knives.

You really don’t have a good grasp of America’s history with gun control laws do you?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I don’t mean you specifically. If the majority of gun control activists were as willing as you to give us something, we might see some reform. Unfortunately California’s laws still exist and are just one reason why trust is hard.

You want to shoot a few bullets.

We want people to live.

For one, we agreed to your nonsense laws in the first place. Then when it turned out that your laws were ineffective, you wanted to implement more. We agreed and this process repeated until you lost our support.

>gun control law proposed
>gun folks get angry
>"compromise"
>half-assed gun control law made
>half-assed law not working because half-assed
>"we knew it would fail"
>"scrap it"
>law scrapped
>"gun control bad mmmmkay?"

>"Half-assed"
>Not "Trojan horse meant to add further restrictions until a full gun ban can be implemented"
We know the goal of GCAs. They don't want compromise, they want to enact their policies.

[Improved werpland]

You want to shoot a few bullets.

We want people to live.

>gun control law proposed
>gun folks get angry
>"compromise"
>half-assed gun control law made
>half-assed law not working because half-assed
>"we knew it would fail"
>"scrap it"
>law scrapped
>"gun control bad mmmmkay?"

I want people to protect themselves.

You want them to die to a bunch of brutes with knives.

You really don’t have a good grasp of America’s history with gun control laws do you?

If they were given tanks then they could really protect themselves. Why can’t we do that?

[Petrolheadia]

You want to shoot a few bullets.

We want people to live.

>gun control law proposed
>gun folks get angry
>"compromise"
>half-assed gun control law made
>half-assed law not working because half-assed
>"we knew it would fail"
>"scrap it"
>law scrapped
>"gun control bad mmmmkay?"

>"Half-assed"
>Not "Trojan horse meant to add further restrictions until a full gun ban can be implemented"
We know the goal of GCAs. They don't want compromise, they want to enact their policies.

And you want what exactly, if not your policies?

[Ors Might]

I want people to protect themselves.

You want them to die to a bunch of brutes with knives.

You really don’t have a good grasp of America’s history with gun control laws do you?

If they were given tanks then they could really protect themselves. Why can’t we do that?

Actually, they can. IIRC, with a few modifications it’s completely legal to drive a tank on public roads.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Was his gun stored properly?

Don't know the authorities said the .38 revolver and the shotgun were owned and registered to his father. There trying to figure how the kid acquired the guns in the first place.

If it wasn't stored properly, then it's his father's fault.

Less dead people for one.

And everything I said in that post above.

I don’t mean you specifically. If the majority of gun control activists were as willing as you to give us something, we might see some reform. Unfortunately California’s laws still exist and are just one reason why trust is hard.

Why is that relevant at all when talking about my proposals? Why bring it up if I didn't mention it?

Why don't you guys support ideas like mine if you hate the gun banners so much?

[Vassenor]

You want them to die to a bunch of brutes with knives.

I'll take "things no-one has said" for a thousand, Alex.

Oh look, the daily double.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

You want to shoot a few bullets.

We want people to live.

>gun control law proposed
>gun folks get angry
>"compromise"
>half-assed gun control law made
>half-assed law not working because half-assed
>"we knew it would fail"
>"scrap it"
>law scrapped
>"gun control bad mmmmkay?"

I want people to protect themselves.

You want them to die to a bunch of brutes with knives.

You really don’t have a good grasp of America’s history with gun control laws do you?

The problem comes when people don't want to protect them self's or hunt or skeet shoot, but when they want to murder and shoot up a school or a store.

[Ors Might]

Don't know the authorities said the .38 revolver and the shotgun were owned and registered to his father. There trying to figure how the kid acquired the guns in the first place.

If it wasn't stored properly, then it's his father's fault.

I don’t mean you specifically. If the majority of gun control activists were as willing as you to give us something, we might see some reform. Unfortunately California’s laws still exist and are just one reason why trust is hard.

Why is that relevant at all when talking about my proposals? Why bring it up if I didn't mention it?

Why don't you guys support ideas like mine if you hate the gun banners so much?

I mentioned California because it’s a damn good example of fairly reasonable gun control laws turning into bullshit down the road. I can’t speak for everyone on this but for me personally, I’m not unwilling to support some of your ideas. But I don’t completely trust that it won’t turn into further restrictions down the road. I’ve detailed what I’m willing to compromise to.

[Uxupox]

Don't know the authorities said the .38 revolver and the shotgun were owned and registered to his father. There trying to figure how the kid acquired the guns in the first place.

If it wasn't stored properly, then it's his father's fault.

I don’t mean you specifically. If the majority of gun control activists were as willing as you to give us something, we might see some reform. Unfortunately California’s laws still exist and are just one reason why trust is hard.

Why is that relevant at all when talking about my proposals? Why bring it up if I didn't mention it?

Why don't you guys support ideas like mine if you hate the gun banners so much?

Because honestly politicians do not want your ideas. It's either take everything (By our politicians standard) or nothing.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

>"Half-assed"
>Not "Trojan horse meant to add further restrictions until a full gun ban can be implemented"
We know the goal of GCAs. They don't want compromise, they want to enact their policies.

And you want what exactly, if not your policies?

What do you mean? I'm not the one who wants to compromise with the gun control side. They don't want to compromise with me after all.

This is pretty much the conversation right now:

GC: You can trust us!
Gun side: Why should we trust you?
GC: Why should we trust you?

[Ors Might]

You want them to die to a bunch of brutes with knives.

I'll take "things no-one has said" for a thousand, Alex.

Oh look, the daily double.

I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that the person who doesn’t want people carrying guns was okay with people using guns to defend themselves from brutes with knives. What would I do without your insight?

[Ors Might]

I want people to protect themselves.

You want them to die to a bunch of brutes with knives.

You really don’t have a good grasp of America’s history with gun control laws do you?

The problem comes when people don't want to protect them self's or hunt or skeet shoot, but when they want to murder and shoot up a school or a store.

Right but mass shootings are in the extreme minority of gun usage. I’m not saying that it isn’t a problem that needs to be solved but there’s little reason to expect gun control politicians to have any of the answers, not any answers worth giving up rights to, anyway.

[Petrolheadia]

The problem comes when people don't want to protect them self's or hunt or skeet shoot, but when they want to murder and shoot up a school or a store.

Right but mass shootings are in the extreme minority of gun usage. I’m not saying that it isn’t a problem that needs to be solved but there’s little reason to expect gun control politicians to have any of the answers, not any answers worth giving up rights to, anyway.

And drunk driving is a minority of all driving.

That does not mean we should not try to stop it.

[Uxupox]

Right but mass shootings are in the extreme minority of gun usage. I’m not saying that it isn’t a problem that needs to be solved but there’s little reason to expect gun control politicians to have any of the answers, not any answers worth giving up rights to, anyway.

And drunk driving is a minority of all driving.

That does not mean we should not try to stop it.

pretty sure i can take 5 shots of vodka and go outside right now with my car. nobody is stopping me.

[Petrolheadia]

And drunk driving is a minority of all driving.

That does not mean we should not try to stop it.

pretty sure i can take 5 shots of vodka and go outside right now with my car. nobody is stopping me.

And then the lights, and if that does not work, the PIT maneuver...

[Uxupox]

pretty sure i can take 5 shots of vodka and go outside right now with my car. nobody is stopping me.

And then the lights, and if that does not work, the PIT maneuver...

why would i lose control of my vehicle?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

If it wasn't stored properly, then it's his father's fault.



Why is that relevant at all when talking about my proposals? Why bring it up if I didn't mention it?

Why don't you guys support ideas like mine if you hate the gun banners so much?

Because honestly politicians do not want your ideas. It's either take everything (By our politicians standard) or nothing.

Then go in to politics your self and introduce the new ideas of "more guns and cheaper guns but only sane people get them".
Or write your representative about this.

Stand up in meetings and demand this. Go to a GOA or a NRA meeting and introduce this.

The problem comes when people don't want to protect them self's or hunt or skeet shoot, but when they want to murder and shoot up a school or a store.

Right but mass shootings are in the extreme minority of gun usage. I’m not saying that it isn’t a problem that needs to be solved but there’s little reason to expect gun control politicians to have any of the answers, not any answers worth giving up rights to, anyway.

On the other side, gun rights activists want to tear down the first to protect the second.

How many times did they think nonsensical things like banning Manhunt would stop mass shooters?

I'm not saying that mass shootings are most uses of guns but something needs to be done.

80's, 90's, 2000's, 10's.

40 years of shootings and no real action from gun rights activists and the same answer of "ban vida games".

It's time to stop the crazy people to stop buying guns.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Right but mass shootings are in the extreme minority of gun usage. I’m not saying that it isn’t a problem that needs to be solved but there’s little reason to expect gun control politicians to have any of the answers, not any answers worth giving up rights to, anyway.

And drunk driving is a minority of all driving.

That does not mean we should not try to stop it.

Why don't you try banning cars then if banning shit is the solution?

"Muh necessity"
"Muh not made to kill"

Not arguments.

[Geneviev]

Here's another idea to prevent school shootings without any gun control laws at all: Better mental health support (three beds? Really?) and improving public schools. That should make both sides happy because you get to keep your guns and there's real action to prevent shootings.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Here's another idea to prevent school shootings without any gun control laws at all: Better mental health support (three beds? Really?) and improving public schools. That should make both sides happy because you get to keep your guns and there's real action to prevent shootings.

^this^

We need mental health everywhere.