10 dead in Santa Fe High Shooting in Santa Fe, Tx

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Now that I think about it, denying any compromise beacuse some people want to ban guns and use that as a way of shooting down gun control that doesn't ban guns doesn't make much sense.

That's not the Idea I proposed, why should my idea get shot down beacuse some moron wants to ban guns?

[Telconi]

Now that I think about it, denying any compromise beacuse some people want to ban guns and use that as a way of shooting down gun control that doesn't ban guns doesn't make much sense.

That's not the Idea I proposed, why should my idea get shot down beacuse some moron wants to ban guns?

Because nobody trusts you.

[Gun Manufacturers]

until politicians come up with actual meaningful and constitutional legislation then this will stop. taking away guns wont solve this problem talking to kids and getting them not to be bullies to others will drastically stop things like this.

They have but the NRA and gun nuts stop it every time because politicians are too afraid of them. No one needs a semi automatic rifle like a AR-15.

Nobody needs a lightweight, easily configurable, accurate semi automatic rifle? You better tell target shooters, hunters, people that want them for home defense, collectors, and the police (I would have included the military, but they don't use the AR15).

[Washington Resistance Army]

Now that I think about it, denying any compromise beacuse some people want to ban guns and use that as a way of shooting down gun control that doesn't ban guns doesn't make much sense.

That's not the Idea I proposed, why should my idea get shot down beacuse some moron wants to ban guns?

Because of this thing called the slippery slope, it's happened before. We come to the table and compromise on one thing and the anti gun side uses that as a springboard for further infringements. In the past couple of years it's become quite popular to attack previous compromises as loopholes that need to be removed whilst also calling for further restrictions.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The connection more often than not is the shooters are heavily ostracized and bullied loners. Apparently that does some fucky shity to your brain.

This guy didn't really seem to be, he was on the football team, I didn't see any evidence he was bullied.. but then there's bullied people around the world who don't go shooting up a school.

My gut feeling is people are finding spaces and communities that fuel their anger, justify it.. I'd be curious as to this one and the previous one in Florida as to what online spaces they were in.. I'm not blaming the internet per se, and I don't think there's one cause here.. but the common thread I see is that they're visiting online channels and communities.

A friend was telling about how she'd discovered her 6 year old had skirted passwords and was chatting to some stranger on Youtube, nothing bad but just the discovery had shocked her a bit.

I think parents need to get really aware of what their kids are doing online.

I dunno, that's just what I read somewhere that he was bullied and a loner and whatnot. I might be wrong though.

I could certainly see the bit about online activity being true. Of course I don't see many ways for ye olde folk to try and prevent that.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Now that I think about it, denying any compromise beacuse some people want to ban guns and use that as a way of shooting down gun control that doesn't ban guns doesn't make much sense.

That's not the Idea I proposed, why should my idea get shot down beacuse some moron wants to ban guns?

Because nobody trusts you.

Yes they do.

Now that I think about it, denying any compromise beacuse some people want to ban guns and use that as a way of shooting down gun control that doesn't ban guns doesn't make much sense.

That's not the Idea I proposed, why should my idea get shot down beacuse some moron wants to ban guns?

Because of this thing called the slippery slope, it's happened before. We come to the table and compromise on one thing and the anti gun side uses that as a springboard for further infringements. In the past couple of years it's become quite popular to attack previous compromises as loopholes that need to be removed whilst also calling for further restrictions.

Yes but isn't slippery slope also a fallacy?

Just beacuse thing X happens doesn't necessarily mean thing Y will happen.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because of this thing called the slippery slope, it's happened before. We come to the table and compromise on one thing and the anti gun side uses that as a springboard for further infringements. In the past couple of years it's become quite popular to attack previous compromises as loopholes that need to be removed whilst also calling for further restrictions.

Yes but isn't slippery slope also a fallacy?

Just beacuse thing X happens doesn't necessarily mean thing Y will happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

It almost certainly does mean Y thing will happen, especially because there's a history of it and the other side has made it clear what they want. It makes no sense for our side to compromise unless said compromise is HEAVILY tilted in our direction.

[Telconi]

Because nobody trusts you.

Yes they do.

Because of this thing called the slippery slope, it's happened before. We come to the table and compromise on one thing and the anti gun side uses that as a springboard for further infringements. In the past couple of years it's become quite popular to attack previous compromises as loopholes that need to be removed whilst also calling for further restrictions.

Yes but isn't slippery slope also a fallacy?

Just beacuse thing X happens doesn't necessarily mean thing Y will happen.

I wasn't referencing you personally, more anti-gun people as a whole.

And the slippery slope fallacy applies when there is no evidence, seeinng as the people who agree to 'X' specifically state they want Y, and will push on to Z as soon as they can wrangle the votes doesn't inspire any confidence.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Now that I think about it, denying any compromise beacuse some people want to ban guns and use that as a way of shooting down gun control that doesn't ban guns doesn't make much sense.

That's not the Idea I proposed, why should my idea get shot down beacuse some moron wants to ban guns?

The anti-gun side keeps saying the pro-gun side needs to compromise. What are you offering us? The repeal of Hughes? Free access to NICS? Pizza?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Yes but isn't slippery slope also a fallacy?

Just beacuse thing X happens doesn't necessarily mean thing Y will happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

It almost certainly does mean Y thing will happen, especially because there's a history of it and the other side has made it clear what they want. It makes no sense for our side to compromise unless said compromise is HEAVILY tilted in our direction.

But that is a problem beacuse it means that any attempt to update American Gun Laws so that edgy boi's that get bullied don't go around shooting things up gets locked down.

This is a problem that both sides have and both sides should work to resolve.

Gun control advocates need to distance them self from gun banners, and gun rights advocates should accept more comprise.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Yes they do.



Yes but isn't slippery slope also a fallacy?

Just beacuse thing X happens doesn't necessarily mean thing Y will happen.

I wasn't referencing you personally, more anti-gun people as a whole.

My bad.

[Washington Resistance Army]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

It almost certainly does mean Y thing will happen, especially because there's a history of it and the other side has made it clear what they want. It makes no sense for our side to compromise unless said compromise is HEAVILY tilted in our direction.

But that is a problem beacuse it means that any attempt to update American Gun Laws so that edgy boi's that get bullied don't go around shooting things up gets locked down.

This is a problem that both sides have and both sides should work to resolve.

Gun control advocates need to distance them self from gun banners, and gun rights advocates should accept more comprise.

There are no compromises. What do I get for agreeing to further gun control? The answer is nothing, the other side offers us nothing to try and bring us to the table.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Now that I think about it, denying any compromise beacuse some people want to ban guns and use that as a way of shooting down gun control that doesn't ban guns doesn't make much sense.

That's not the Idea I proposed, why should my idea get shot down beacuse some moron wants to ban guns?

The anti-gun side keeps saying the pro-gun side needs to compromise. What are you offering us? The repeal of Hughes? Free access to NICS? Pizza?

How about:

Implement my idea for first time gun buyers to get a state funded psychiatrist visit to make sure they don't have any mental illnesses and in return, pizza baked with legal nation wide home made flame throwers?

[Paddy O Fernature]

Now that I think about it, denying any compromise beacuse some people want to ban guns and use that as a way of shooting down gun control that doesn't ban guns doesn't make much sense.

That's not the Idea I proposed, why should my idea get shot down beacuse some moron wants to ban guns?

The anti-gun side keeps saying the pro-gun side needs to compromise. What are you offering us? The repeal of Hughes? Free access to NICS? Pizza?

By this point, I'd settle for a liberal dose of lube before getting bent over again on new legislation.

[Petrasylvania]

But that is a problem beacuse it means that any attempt to update American Gun Laws so that edgy boi's that get bullied don't go around shooting things up gets locked down.

This is a problem that both sides have and both sides should work to resolve.

Gun control advocates need to distance them self from gun banners, and gun rights advocates should accept more comprise.

There are no compromises. What do I get for agreeing to further gun control? The answer is nothing, the other side offers us nothing to try and bring us to the table.

So what has your side supposedly given up for the current state of affairs?

[Paddy O Fernature]

There are no compromises. What do I get for agreeing to further gun control? The answer is nothing, the other side offers us nothing to try and bring us to the table.

So what has your side supposedly given up for the current state of affairs?

Bump stocks, just off the top of my head.

Another feature banned in the name of fee fee's without actually solving anything.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

But that is a problem beacuse it means that any attempt to update American Gun Laws so that edgy boi's that get bullied don't go around shooting things up gets locked down.

This is a problem that both sides have and both sides should work to resolve.

Gun control advocates need to distance them self from gun banners, and gun rights advocates should accept more comprise.

There are no compromises. What do I get for agreeing to further gun control? The answer is nothing, the other side offers us nothing to try and bring us to the table.

I'll be honest, we don't know what you want for a comprise.

I'd be ok with homemade flame throwers nation wide in return for crazy bois not getting guns.

I just want the shootings to stop.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So what has your side supposedly given up for the current state of affairs?

Bump stocks, just off the top of my head.

Homemade flamethrowers and bump stocks in exchange for state funded psychiatrist test's for first time gun buyers?

[Telconi]

There are no compromises. What do I get for agreeing to further gun control? The answer is nothing, the other side offers us nothing to try and bring us to the table.

So what has your side supposedly given up for the current state of affairs?

Machine guns, cannons, tanks, .50 BMG, "assault weapons" most handgun models, a great number of rifle models, carrying my handgun concealed without a license, carrying my handgun openly whatsoever, carrying a long gun openly whatsoever, a free paid every time I buy a gun, a fee paid every time I renew my license to buy a gun, a ten day waiting period between when I buy a gun and when I actually get it, a free paid when I buy ammo, taxes and licensure on gun manufacturers driving up prices, taxes and licensure on ammo manufacturers driving up prices...

I could go on with this.

[Petrasylvania]

So what has your side supposedly given up for the current state of affairs?

Bump stocks, just off the top of my head.

Another feature banned in the name of fee fee's without actually solving anything.

Fee-fees killed people in Las Vegas, not an actual function to bypass legislation against civilian full auto weapons. Ookay.

[Geneviev]

The connection more often than not is the shooters are heavily ostracized and bullied loners. Apparently that does some fucky shity to your brain.

Being the "bullied loner" never made me a shooter and never will. You can't generalize like that. It leads to greater risk of mental illness, no more.

School shootings seem normalised now, to the point there's regular drills and etc., adding or removing guns isn't going to solve the issue of the cultural response, where shooting up a school is something to do if you're angry about something.

They are normalised, yes. That does not mean that whenever a teenager is angry (arguably the most angry population in the world, may I add), that they will shoot up a school. It usually is a result of anger specifically directed at the school or a person there, combined with radical views usually found online, with a million other factors as well.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Bump stocks, just off the top of my head.

Homemade flamethrowers and bump stocks in exchange for state funded psychiatrist test's for first time gun buyers?

Yeah, I'm going to have to pass. I'm not a fan for costing the taxpayers even more money for literally no reason, for I can bump fire with my finger and a belt loop and still buy 50's era "grass burners" already.

Bump stocks, just off the top of my head.

Another feature banned in the name of fee fee's without actually solving anything.

Fee-fees killed people in Las Vegas, not an actual function to bypass legislation against civilian full auto weapons. Ookay.

Yeah, no it didn't. In fact, I'm willing to bet that the bump stock in all likelihood saved people that day by making him less accurate.

[Telconi]

There are no compromises. What do I get for agreeing to further gun control? The answer is nothing, the other side offers us nothing to try and bring us to the table.

I'll be honest, we don't know what you want for a comprise.

I'd be ok with homemade flame throwers nation wide in return for crazy bois not getting guns.

I just want the shootings to stop.

Those are already legal, cannot buy freedoms with things I already have.

[Telconi]

There are no compromises. What do I get for agreeing to further gun control? The answer is nothing, the other side offers us nothing to try and bring us to the table.

I'll be honest, we don't know what you want for a comprise.

I'd be ok with homemade flame throwers nation wide in return for crazy bois not getting guns.

I just want the shootings to stop.

We don't want to compromise. We want you people to leave us alone.

[Petrasylvania]

So what has your side supposedly given up for the current state of affairs?

Machine guns, cannons, tanks, .50 BMG, "assault weapons" most handgun models, a great number of rifle models, carrying my handgun concealed without a license, carrying my handgun openly whatsoever, carrying a long gun openly whatsoever, a free paid every time I buy a gun, a fee paid every time I renew my license to buy a gun, a ten day waiting period between when I buy a gun and when I actually get it, a free paid when I buy ammo, taxes and licensure on gun manufacturers driving up prices, taxes and licensure on ammo manufacturers driving up prices...

I could go on with this.

So this is the world we live in, where not being given civilian access to full military weapons and explosives is considered a "compromise".