10 dead in Santa Fe High Shooting in Santa Fe, Tx

[Australian rePublic]

So apparently there's a claim going around on FB that more American children have died in school shootings in 2018 than American soldiers.
I don't know where any actual stats are to that claim.

Holy Shit

[Genivaria]

So apparently there's a claim going around on FB that more American children have died in school shootings in 2018 than American soldiers.
I don't know where any actual stats are to that claim.

Holy Shit

It's probably bunk.

[Bombadil]

Just seems an ingrained aspect of American cultural life these days, even just a couple of years ago the local response would be 'I can't believe it happened here, this is such a peaceful community', whereas with this one the kids were just 'yeah, I guess it happens everywhere..'.

The school had been on lock down just a month earlier, so common that the kids weren't sure if it was just another drill.

There you go.. just another drill in one's schooldays to practice for a school shooting.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So apparently there's a claim going around on FB that more American children have died in school shootings in 2018 than American soldiers.
I don't know where any actual stats are to that claim.

In all likelihood more British children have died in school stabbings in 2018 than all British soldiers.

A rather pointless statistical comparison given the lack of deployment, designed to mislead and evoke paranoia if nothing else.

Winner winner chicken dinner^

[Australian rePublic]

Is this even news any more? Sadly, it's becoming more and more common

[LimpBizkit]

The school had been on lock down just a month earlier, so common that the kids weren't sure if it was just another drill.

The principal running down the hall screaming for everyone to run for their lives is a good indicator that it's not a drill, I'd think.

[Genivaria]

So apparently there's a claim going around on FB that more American children have died in school shootings in 2018 than American soldiers.
I don't know where any actual stats are to that claim.

In all likelihood more British children have died in school stabbings in 2018 than all British soldiers.

A rather pointless statistical comparison given the lack of deployment, designed to mislead and evoke paranoia if nothing else.

Considering that American soldiers aren't in combat to any notable degree compared to just 5 years ago.


I swear to god I thought I replied to this already...

[Bombadil]

The school had been on lock down just a month earlier, so common that the kids weren't sure if it was just another drill.

The principal running down the hall screaming for everyone to run for their lives is a good indicator that it's not a drill, I'd think.

I think what he shouted was 'it's real'.. which was fully understood in context - I think if a teacher did that in most other countries the response would be 'what's real?'..

It's just to note how accepted it all is now.

[Genivaria]

The principal running down the hall screaming for everyone to run for their lives is a good indicator that it's not a drill, I'd think.

I think what he shouted was 'it's real'.. which was fully understood in context - I think if a teacher did that in most other countries the response would be 'what's real?'..

It's just to note how accepted it all is now.

At this point I'd be happy with Switzerland's or Israel's gun laws instead of France or Japan, it would STILL be an improvement.

[Torrocca]

Holy Shit

It's probably bunk.

Sadly not.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I think what he shouted was 'it's real'.. which was fully understood in context - I think if a teacher did that in most other countries the response would be 'what's real?'..

It's just to note how accepted it all is now.

At this point I'd be happy with Switzerland's or Israel's gun laws instead of France or Japan, it would STILL be an improvement.

Liberals would lose their fucking minds if we had Switzerlands gun laws. Pro-gun areas being able to approve private machine gun purchases? Not a chance in hell lol

[Telconi]

At this point I'd be happy with Switzerland's or Israel's gun laws instead of France or Japan, it would STILL be an improvement.

Liberals would lose their fucking minds if we had Switzerlands gun laws. Pro-gun areas being able to approve private machine gun purchases? Not a chance in hell lol

I'd love if that happened.

[Len Hyet]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pol ... e43e239cad

Would you mind quoting the page please? I am not going to take my Adblocker down.

Just right click and adblock their anti-adblock software.

[Freezic Vast]

At this point I'd be happy with Switzerland's or Israel's gun laws instead of France or Japan, it would STILL be an improvement.

Liberals would lose their fucking minds if we had Switzerlands gun laws. Pro-gun areas being able to approve private machine gun purchases? Not a chance in hell lol

The one positive thing I can say about Switzerland now, and I wouldn't mind if we had that in schools.

[Genivaria]

At this point I'd be happy with Switzerland's or Israel's gun laws instead of France or Japan, it would STILL be an improvement.

Liberals would lose their fucking minds if we had Switzerlands gun laws. Pro-gun areas being able to approve private machine gun purchases? Not a chance in hell lol

Uh where does it say that?

The legislation is considered liberal[4] and allows the free purchase of semi-automatic, but not fully automatic, firearms by Swiss citizens and foreigners with permanent residence.[note 2][3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland

Considering that it also comes with the universal conscription package...

[Bombadil]

I think what he shouted was 'it's real'.. which was fully understood in context - I think if a teacher did that in most other countries the response would be 'what's real?'..

It's just to note how accepted it all is now.

At this point I'd be happy with Switzerland's or Israel's gun laws instead of France or Japan, it would STILL be an improvement.

I'm beginning to think the gun debate is not the debate to have in the aftermath of these, the lines are so drawn that there's little in the way of solutions.

What is it in the US that even causes the thought to occur to kids to go and shoot up a school. I had guns when I was a teenager, and though laws were quite strict in terms of background checks and keeping them locked in a cabinet I could easily access them.. just the thought would never occur to me.

There was a case study on an epidemic of suicides in some Pacific island in the 80's, it became a memetic thing for teenage kids to do over even trivial things. It had become a response option.

School shootings seem normalised now, to the point there's regular drills and etc., adding or removing guns isn't going to solve the issue of the cultural response, where shooting up a school is something to do if you're angry about something.

[Genivaria]

At this point I'd be happy with Switzerland's or Israel's gun laws instead of France or Japan, it would STILL be an improvement.

I'm beginning to think the gun debate is not the debate to have in the aftermath of these, the lines are so drawn that there's little in the way of solutions.

What is it in the US that even causes the thought to occur to kids to go and shoot up a school. I had guns when I was a teenager, and though laws were quite strict in terms of background checks and keeping them locked in a cabinet I could easily access them.. just the thought would never occur to me.

There was a case study on an epidemic of suicides in some Pacific island in the 80's, it became a memetic thing for teenage kids to do over even trivial things. It had become a response option.

School shootings seem normalised now, to the point there's regular drills and etc., adding or removing guns isn't going to solve the issue of the cultural response, where shooting up a school is something to do if you're angry about something.

It would remove the 'shooting' aspect yes, the issue is how it could actually implemented.

[Washington Resistance Army]

At this point I'd be happy with Switzerland's or Israel's gun laws instead of France or Japan, it would STILL be an improvement.

I'm beginning to think the gun debate is not the debate to have in the aftermath of these, the lines are so drawn that there's little in the way of solutions.

What is it in the US that even causes the thought to occur to kids to go and shoot up a school. I had guns when I was a teenager, and though laws were quite strict in terms of background checks and keeping them locked in a cabinet I could easily access them.. just the thought would never occur to me.

There was a case study on an epidemic of suicides in some Pacific island in the 80's, it became a memetic thing for teenage kids to do over even trivial things. It had become a response option.

School shootings seem normalised now, to the point there's regular drills and etc., adding or removing guns isn't going to solve the issue of the cultural response, where shooting up a school is something to do if you're angry about something.

The connection more often than not is the shooters are heavily ostracized and bullied loners. Apparently that does some fucky shity to your brain.

[LimpBizkit]

I'd like to point out that the statistic of 16 or 18 or 22 mass school shootings this year is an absolute fabrication. According to the Washington Post (a source I'm seeing quoted here quite a bit) database, there have been 16 school shootings this year, which they prove by giving information about each one. this is an admirable effort to further their anti-gun agenda, but only 5 of these incidents have had fatalities. Three weren't even in the school (one of them was a teacher defending himself from a student trying to run him over), one was an accident where the ceiling was shot and the injuries were from falling debris and one was a boy threatening others by shooting in the air (still awful, but can it really be described as a school shooting?)

[Washington Resistance Army]

Liberals would lose their fucking minds if we had Switzerlands gun laws. Pro-gun areas being able to approve private machine gun purchases? Not a chance in hell lol

Uh where does it say that?

The legislation is considered liberal[4] and allows the free purchase of semi-automatic, but not fully automatic, firearms by Swiss citizens and foreigners with permanent residence.[note 2][3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland

Considering that it also comes with the universal conscription package...

Pro-gun cantons regularly approve the sale of fully automatic weapons, it just requires a write off which in those areas isn't hard to get. I've had long chats with a number of Swiss gun owners about the lesser known parts of their gun laws like that.

[Genivaria]

I'm beginning to think the gun debate is not the debate to have in the aftermath of these, the lines are so drawn that there's little in the way of solutions.

What is it in the US that even causes the thought to occur to kids to go and shoot up a school. I had guns when I was a teenager, and though laws were quite strict in terms of background checks and keeping them locked in a cabinet I could easily access them.. just the thought would never occur to me.

There was a case study on an epidemic of suicides in some Pacific island in the 80's, it became a memetic thing for teenage kids to do over even trivial things. It had become a response option.

School shootings seem normalised now, to the point there's regular drills and etc., adding or removing guns isn't going to solve the issue of the cultural response, where shooting up a school is something to do if you're angry about something.

The connection more often than not is the shooters are heavily ostracized and bullied loners. Apparently that does some fucky shity to your brain.

As someone who was a bullied loner in middle school I wouldn't be having this discussion right now if I had a gun.
I was too cowardly to push the knife in.

[Genivaria]

Uh where does it say that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland

Considering that it also comes with the universal conscription package...

Pro-gun cantons regularly approve the sale of fully automatic weapons, it just requires a write off which in those areas isn't hard to get. I've had long chats with a number of Swiss gun owners about the lesser known parts of their gun laws like that.

I see so there's a bit of red-tape involved but nothing too prohibitive basically?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Pro-gun cantons regularly approve the sale of fully automatic weapons, it just requires a write off which in those areas isn't hard to get. I've had long chats with a number of Swiss gun owners about the lesser known parts of their gun laws like that.

I see so there's a bit of red-tape involved but nothing too prohibitive basically?

Given people can make machine gun collections like this, yeah I wouldn't say they're that prohibitive.

[Bombadil]

I'm beginning to think the gun debate is not the debate to have in the aftermath of these, the lines are so drawn that there's little in the way of solutions.

What is it in the US that even causes the thought to occur to kids to go and shoot up a school. I had guns when I was a teenager, and though laws were quite strict in terms of background checks and keeping them locked in a cabinet I could easily access them.. just the thought would never occur to me.

There was a case study on an epidemic of suicides in some Pacific island in the 80's, it became a memetic thing for teenage kids to do over even trivial things. It had become a response option.

School shootings seem normalised now, to the point there's regular drills and etc., adding or removing guns isn't going to solve the issue of the cultural response, where shooting up a school is something to do if you're angry about something.

The connection more often than not is the shooters are heavily ostracized and bullied loners. Apparently that does some fucky shity to your brain.

This guy didn't really seem to be, he was on the football team, I didn't see any evidence he was bullied.. but then there's bullied people around the world who don't go shooting up a school.

My gut feeling is people are finding spaces and communities that fuel their anger, justify it.. I'd be curious as to this one and the previous one in Florida as to what online spaces they were in.. I'm not blaming the internet per se, and I don't think there's one cause here.. but the common thread I see is that they're visiting online channels and communities.

A friend was telling about how she'd discovered her 6 year old had skirted passwords and was chatting to some stranger on Youtube, nothing bad but just the discovery had shocked her a bit.

I think parents need to get really aware of what their kids are doing online.

[Gun Manufacturers]

What do you suggest change?

Background checks for starters and outlawing assault weapons.

There already are background checks for purchases through FFLs, and outlawing weapons based solely on how scary they look is idiotic.