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Postby Kvatchdom » Mon May 21, 2018 3:39 pm

Based Groyper wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Can I get a quick rundown on the arguments here?


"Let me guide you up to the top of the mountain, where, like God reviewing the unfolding of the undetermined will of his creations, I can show you the course of this thread:

Kvatchdom has claimed that School Shooters are low IQ, I asked him for evidence of this and provided a counter-argument, his only response thereto was a baseless insult. Kvatchdom's evidence for the low IQ point was that School Shooters are """psychopaths"", when I questioned this he began throwing slurs.

I think it is clear the Based Groyper is in the right and light here."

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I provided evidence, you resolved into 2015 memes because your low iq cannot handle proper argument.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/who-does-school-shootings-psychopaths-not-people-with-aspergers-syndrome/
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Postby Based Groyper » Mon May 21, 2018 3:41 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
"Let me guide you up to the top of the mountain, where, like God reviewing the unfolding of the undetermined will of his creations, I can show you the course of this thread:

Kvatchdom has claimed that School Shooters are low IQ, I asked him for evidence of this and provided a counter-argument, his only response thereto was a baseless insult. Kvatchdom's evidence for the low IQ point was that School Shooters are """psychopaths"", when I questioned this he began throwing slurs.

I think it is clear the Based Groyper is in the right and light here."

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I provided evidence, you resolved into 2015 memes because your low iq cannot handle proper argument.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/who-does-school-shootings-psychopaths-not-people-with-aspergers-syndrome/


This shows a rather naive category error with regards to diagnosing psychiatric disorders - a very tricky subject given how politicised the field is by egalitarian regimes.
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Postby New Emeline » Mon May 21, 2018 3:41 pm

Based Groyper wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:I provided evidence, you resolved into 2015 memes because your low iq cannot handle proper argument.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/who-does-school-shootings-psychopaths-not-people-with-aspergers-syndrome/


This shows a rather naive category error with regards to diagnosing psychiatric disorders - a very tricky subject given how politicised the field is by egalitarian regimes.

Which error would that be?

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Postby Based Groyper » Mon May 21, 2018 3:42 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
This shows a rather naive category error with regards to diagnosing psychiatric disorders - a very tricky subject given how politicised the field is by egalitarian regimes.

Which error would that be?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake

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Postby New Emeline » Mon May 21, 2018 3:42 pm

Based Groyper wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Which error would that be?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake

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I meant more specifically, as in with the article.

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Postby Kramanica » Mon May 21, 2018 3:43 pm

Based Groyper wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Which error would that be?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake

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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 21, 2018 3:43 pm

Based Groyper wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Which error would that be?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake

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So in what way is that evident in the article?
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Postby Based Groyper » Mon May 21, 2018 3:44 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Based Groyper wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake

Cheers,

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You don't need to keep referring to yourself in the third person. We know who you are.


don't think you do tbh
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Postby Kvatchdom » Mon May 21, 2018 3:47 pm

Based Groyper wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:I provided evidence, you resolved into 2015 memes because your low iq cannot handle proper argument.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/who-does-school-shootings-psychopaths-not-people-with-aspergers-syndrome/


This shows a rather naive category error with regards to diagnosing psychiatric disorders - a very tricky subject given how politicised the field is by egalitarian regimes.

No, it's the correct category in regards to disorders. It's not tricky at all.
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Postby Ardoki » Mon May 21, 2018 4:35 pm

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Cekoviu wrote:I think there are more factors at play here than guns.


There's more causes to mass shootings than guns but as to why America is so much more likely to have school shootings, there's only one reason.

I wasn't specifically talking about guns. I just wondering about the tendency towards homicide so common among American students. You don't see students in other countries so eager to kill others.
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Postby Jakker » Mon May 21, 2018 4:42 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:Stop dodging the subject, the fact is you're probably a loq iq loser as well. there is no social critique of worth among a single murderer

Kvatchdom wrote:I provided evidence, you resolved into 2015 memes because your low iq cannot handle proper argument.
https://psychcentral.com/blog/who-does-school-shootings-psychopaths-not-people-with-aspergers-syndrome/


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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 22, 2018 11:30 am

So I just spent the last 10-20 minutes putting together the mass shootings since Columbine for the purposes of supporting an age restriction on buying firearms....the results are inconclusive.

2018-Stoneman Douglas High School shooting- Nikolas Cruz(19)
2018-Santa Fe High School shooting- Dimitrios Pagourtzis (17)
2017-Sutherland Springs church shooting-Devin Patrick Kelley(26)
2017- Las Vegas shooting- Stephen Paddock(64)
2016- Orlando nightclub shooting Omar Mateen(29)
2015- San Bernardino attack-Rizwan Farook(28) and Tashfeen Malik(29)
2015-Umpqua Community College shooting-Chris Harper-Mercer(26)
2013-Washington Navy Yard shooting- Aaron Alexis(34)
2012-Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting-Adam Lanza(20)
2012=Aurora shooting- James Holmes (24)
2009-Binghamton shootings-Jiverly Antares Wong (41)
2009- Fort Hood- Nidal Hasan (47)
2009- Geneva County massacre-Michael Kenneth McLendon (28)
2007- Virginia Tech shooting -Seung-Hui Cho (23)
2005- Red Lake shootings-Jeff Weise(16)
1999- Columbine High School massacre- Eric Harris(18) Dylan Klebold (17)

So since the age limit I had in mind was 21 than out of the 15 shootings listed it would've potentially stopped...4 of them.
(sigh)
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 22, 2018 11:55 am

Genivaria wrote:So I just spent the last 10-20 minutes putting together the mass shootings since Columbine for the purposes of supporting an age restriction on buying firearms....the results are inconclusive.

2018-Stoneman Douglas High School shooting- Nikolas Cruz(19)
2018-Santa Fe High School shooting- Dimitrios Pagourtzis (17)
2017-Sutherland Springs church shooting-Devin Patrick Kelley(26)
2017- Las Vegas shooting- Stephen Paddock(64)
2016- Orlando nightclub shooting Omar Mateen(29)
2015- San Bernardino attack-Rizwan Farook(28) and Tashfeen Malik(29)
2015-Umpqua Community College shooting-Chris Harper-Mercer(26)
2013-Washington Navy Yard shooting- Aaron Alexis(34)
2012=Aurora shooting- James Holmes (24)
2009-Binghamton shootings-Jiverly Antares Wong (41)
2009- Fort Hood- Nidal Hasan (47)
2009- Geneva County massacre-Michael Kenneth McLendon (28)
2007- Virginia Tech shooting -Seung-Hui Cho (23)
2005- Red Lake shootings-Jeff Weise(16)
1999- Columbine High School massacre- Eric Harris(18) Dylan Klebold (17)

So since the age limit I had in mind was 21 than out of the 15 shootings listed it would've potentially stopped...4 of them.
(sigh)

You're missing Sandy Hook here.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 22, 2018 11:57 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So I just spent the last 10-20 minutes putting together the mass shootings since Columbine for the purposes of supporting an age restriction on buying firearms....the results are inconclusive.


So since the age limit I had in mind was 21 than out of the 15 shootings listed it would've potentially stopped...4 of them.
(sigh)

You're missing Sandy Hook here.

Am I? One moment.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 22, 2018 11:58 am

Genivaria wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:You're missing Sandy Hook here.

Am I? One moment.

Yeah. It's also an extra person below 21.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 22, 2018 11:59 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Am I? One moment.

Yeah. Doesn't change your count, it's just a pretty big and important mass shooting.

Yeah I was doing this while still sipping my coffee...
And fixed.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 22, 2018 12:00 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Yeah. Doesn't change your count, it's just a pretty big and important mass shooting.

Yeah I was doing this while still sipping my coffee...
And fixed.

Whoops, I thought the perp was over 21 when I first posted that. He was actually 20, so that might change your count.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 22, 2018 12:06 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Yeah I was doing this while still sipping my coffee...
And fixed.

Whoops, I thought the perp was over 21 when I first posted that. He was actually 20, so that might change your count.

Yes it raises it to 5, (if you count the two columbine minors as just 1).
Which still means that a Age Restriction for people below 21 would apply to only 1/3 of the mass shootings in the last 10 years.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 22, 2018 12:11 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So I just spent the last 10-20 minutes putting together the mass shootings since Columbine for the purposes of supporting an age restriction on buying firearms....the results are inconclusive.


So since the age limit I had in mind was 21 than out of the 15 shootings listed it would've potentially stopped...4 of them.
(sigh)

You're missing Sandy Hook here.

Would the Isla Vista shooting count?

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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 22, 2018 12:12 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:You're missing Sandy Hook here.

Would the Isla Vista shooting count?

I was specifically listing shootings instead of killings because that would be inflating the numbers considering that the point is gun laws.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 22, 2018 12:13 pm

Genivaria wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Would the Isla Vista shooting count?

I was specifically listing shootings instead of killings because that would be inflating the numbers considering that the point is gun laws.

Oh, I didn't know it didn't qualify.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 22, 2018 12:14 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I was specifically listing shootings instead of killings because that would be inflating the numbers considering that the point is gun laws.

Oh, I didn't know it didn't qualify.

Nope, those were stabbings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 22, 2018 12:15 pm

Genivaria wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Oh, I didn't know it didn't qualify.

Nope, those were stabbings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings

Ohhh, I was mixed up then.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue May 22, 2018 12:19 pm

The age restriction is dumb and by no means could I even agree with or support. By raising the age for all firearms, it become a de facto ban on firearms to those of the majority of age(18-20) and the ability for those to exercise their enumerated right to keep and bear arms and a means to have a tool to aid in their self-defense, hunting, target shooting etc.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 22, 2018 12:50 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:The age restriction is dumb and by no means could I even agree with or support. By raising the age for all firearms, it become a de facto ban on firearms to those of the majority of age(18-20) and the ability for those to exercise their enumerated right to keep and bear arms and a means to have a tool to aid in their self-defense, hunting, target shooting etc.

It does seem to contradict the 2nd Amendment and wouldn't be all that productive anyway, even in countries without said amendment.
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