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[Tobleste]

You couldn't. You provide ample opportunity for me to be condescending.

It's not really a replacement for evidence, but you do you.

Evidence is not a useful response to gun control opponents. I didn't go get a load of links to studies or reports that proved my point for the same reason I didn't translate it into ancient Greek. The vast majority of gun control opponents wouldn't get it.

[Fartsniffage]

That's a tenuous link.

If you accept that American school kids aren't some unique bunch and that kids in other schools across the world would sometimes like to go on a murder spree then easy access to firearms would seem to be the thing that sets American kids apart.

The one instance that sticks in my mind is this one. Both because it was my old high school and my brother was a student there on the date they planned to attack.

I don't completely accept that though. I do think there is an ongoing crisis with young men in America that is, through a combination of cultural factors, uniquely and tragically American.

What unique cultural factors?

[Uxupox]

It's not really a replacement for evidence, but you do you.

Evidence is not a useful response to gun control opponents. I didn't go get a load of links to studies or reports that proved my point for the same reason I didn't translate it into ancient Greek. The vast majority of gun control opponents wouldn't get it.

so factual data is in fact "fake news"?

[Len Hyet]

It's not really a replacement for evidence, but you do you.

Evidence is not a useful response to gun control opponents. I didn't go get a load of links to studies or reports that proved my point for the same reason I didn't translate it into ancient Greek. The vast majority of gun control opponents wouldn't get it.

Ahhh. Those who disagree must be part of the uneducated unwashed masses. I see.

[Len Hyet]

I don't completely accept that though. I do think there is an ongoing crisis with young men in America that is, through a combination of cultural factors, uniquely and tragically American.

What unique cultural factors?

Media contagion, glorification of violence, increasing social isolationism, no one factor is uniquely or solely responsible but the combination has come out to express something that, when combined with America's unique culture, results in this kind of explosive violence.

At least that's my 2 cents. It's not something I've done the research on, I'm currently working on a different project.

[Cekoviu]

What unique cultural factors?

Media contagion, glorification of violence, increasing social isolationism, no one factor is uniquely or solely responsible but the combination has come out to express something that, when combined with America's unique culture, results in this kind of explosive violence.

At least that's my 2 cents. It's not something I've done the research on, I'm currently working on a different project.

I think it's more due to a combination of violent video games and moral degeneracy.
:^)

[Petrasylvania]

From the Georgia thread:

Realistically, talk of improving mental health services is hollow feelgood platitude coming from the same Republican Party that's trying to abolish safety nets in some Social Darwinist drive.

Banning every single firearm is excessive.

Improving and enforcing background checks to make it smoother is reasonable.

It would never happen realistically, but in the interest of teaching lessons the hard way I would propose a county in a red state or even an entire red state be experimentally allowed a complete firearm fiesta for a few years. No restrictions on firearms including automatic weapons and destructive devices. If the test area can prove the pro gun argument through the testing period by not ending up as either the Bad Ending of Needful Things or a gun running bazaar then that would settle the debate. Otherwise there would be a hard understanding that restrictions are necessary.

Your idea isn't any better here.

Why? It hypothetically would be the big chance for the pro gun side to prove once and for all that easy access to powerful weapons won't escalate violence and casualties. Besides isn't that what your dream is, unlimited access to firearms and destructive devices of all kinds?

[Based Groyper]

People are still avoiding advanced discussion of the real issue.

School shootings are not aberrant to the intended use of the 2nd Ammendment, school shooters are not pathological to the ideal of what a human agent ought to be - these are in many cases voices of profound intellect with a message, uncomfortable to many, about how society is organised.

To react with totalitarian paranoia about ''how to prevent this from happening again" while scoring cheap political points about 'gun control' is a very simple way at looking at the issue.

[Kvatchdom]

People are still avoiding advanced discussion of the real issue.

School shootings are not aberrant to the intended use of the 2nd Ammendment, school shooters are not pathological to the ideal of what a human agent ought to be - these are in many cases voices of profound intellect with a message, uncomfortable to many, about how society is organised.

To react with totalitarian paranoia about ''how to prevent this from happening again" while scoring cheap political points about 'gun control' is a very simple way at looking at the issue.

There is no profound intellect in barbarian violence because a girl refused to date you.

[Based Groyper]

People are still avoiding advanced discussion of the real issue.

School shootings are not aberrant to the intended use of the 2nd Ammendment, school shooters are not pathological to the ideal of what a human agent ought to be - these are in many cases voices of profound intellect with a message, uncomfortable to many, about how society is organised.

To react with totalitarian paranoia about ''how to prevent this from happening again" while scoring cheap political points about 'gun control' is a very simple way at looking at the issue.

There is no profound intellect in barbarian violence because a girl refused to date you.

There certainly isn't profound intellect in using outdated words like 'barbarian'.

[Kvatchdom]

There is no profound intellect in barbarian violence because a girl refused to date you.

There certainly isn't profound intellect in using outdated words like 'barbarian'.

More than there is in barbarian violence, most definitely. Psychopaths generally indicate lower IQs than their peers aswell.

[Based Groyper]

There certainly isn't profound intellect in using outdated words like 'barbarian'.

More than there is in barbarian violence, most definitely. Psychopaths generally indicate lower IQs than their peers aswell.

>Psychopaths

[Kvatchdom]

More than there is in barbarian violence, most definitely. Psychopaths generally indicate lower IQs than their peers aswell.

>Psychopaths

murdering people because you got rejected is pretty psycho

[Len Hyet]

People are still avoiding advanced discussion of the real issue.

School shootings are not aberrant to the intended use of the 2nd Ammendment

Yes they are.

school shooters are not pathological to the ideal of what a human agent ought to be

Yes, they are.

these are in many cases voices of profound intellect

No, they are not.

with a message, uncomfortable to many, about how society is organised.

The UNABOMBER had a message about society too, doesn't mean he wasn't a psycho bastard.

[Based Groyper]

People are still avoiding advanced discussion of the real issue.

School shootings are not aberrant to the intended use of the 2nd Ammendment

Yes they are.

school shooters are not pathological to the ideal of what a human agent ought to be

Yes, they are.

these are in many cases voices of profound intellect

No, they are not.

with a message, uncomfortable to many, about how society is organised.

The UNABOMBER had a message about society too, doesn't mean he wasn't a psycho bastard.

A lot of categorical assertions without arguments make me sense that you are feeling threatened here.

[Len Hyet]

Yes they are.



Yes, they are.



No, they are not.



The UNABOMBER had a message about society too, doesn't mean he wasn't a psycho bastard.

A lot of categorical assertions without arguments make me sense that you are feeling threatened here.

And a lot of pseudo-intellectual babble by some rando on the internet with a frog as his avatar picture makes me sense that you're full of shit.

[Based Groyper]

A lot of categorical assertions without arguments make me sense that you are feeling threatened here.

And a lot of pseudo-intellectual babble by some rando on the internet with a frog as his avatar picture makes me sense that you're full of shit.

Not an argument I'm afraid!

[Paddy O Fernature]

A lot of categorical assertions without arguments make me sense that you are feeling threatened here.

And a lot of pseudo-intellectual babble by some rando on the internet with a frog as his avatar picture makes me sense that you're full of shit.

Seconded.

[Len Hyet]

And a lot of pseudo-intellectual babble by some rando on the internet with a frog as his avatar picture makes me sense that you're full of shit.

Not an argument I'm afraid!

Yes it is.

See, now we've both provided the same amount of evidence.

[Based Groyper]

Not an argument I'm afraid!

Yes it is.

See, now we've both provided the same amount of evidence.

Why would we be providing evidence when we are not disputing an empirical fact?

[Kvatchdom]

Yes it is.

See, now we've both provided the same amount of evidence.

Why would we be providing evidence when we are not disputing an empirical fact?

the fact that school shooting losers arent intellectuals is an empirical fact

[Len Hyet]

Yes it is.

See, now we've both provided the same amount of evidence.

Why would we be providing evidence when we are not disputing an empirical fact?

Sure we are.

I'm saying I made an argument. You're saying I didn't. We're debating an empirical fact.

Of course, you're also trying to use this to distract from the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about and are desperately trying to use shock and edginess to replace an argument, and filling in the blanks with meaningless babble in an attempt to sound smart.

Which is also an empirical fact.

[Based Groyper]

Why would we be providing evidence when we are not disputing an empirical fact?

Sure we are.

I'm saying I made an argument. You're saying I didn't. We're debating an empirical fact.

Of course, you're also trying to use this to distract from the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about and are desperately trying to use shock and edginess to replace an argument, and filling in the blanks with meaningless babble in an attempt to sound smart.

Which is also an empirical fact.

"you don't know what you're talking abou wah"

I have made a reasonably detailed and not too long post outlining in clear English my argument. You have not responded to it and you are now running away from the facts because I am using logic here while you're just having an emotional reaciton, throwing round tropes about 'edgyness' and making incoherent insults in place of structured premises.

Should'nt of messed with the BASED Groyper!

[Based Groyper]

Why would we be providing evidence when we are not disputing an empirical fact?

the fact that school shooting losers arent intellectuals is an empirical fact

Exceptionally uninformed post, many school shooters have left what are in some cases outstanding works of scholarship and sensitive subjectivity in their wake far beyond the cognitive scope of the average Citizen of the West.

[Telconi]

Your idea isn't any better here.

Why? It hypothetically would be the big chance for the pro gun side to prove once and for all that easy access to powerful weapons won't escalate violence and casualties. Besides isn't that what your dream is, unlimited access to firearms and destructive devices of all kinds?

I've never argued for the first part.

And yes, but freedom for only a few select people is inadequate.