10 dead in Santa Fe High Shooting in Santa Fe, Tx

[Cekoviu]

Why is it always America? Students in other countries never seem to go on homicidal rampages.

Guns, guns, gun laws and guns.

I think there are more factors at play here than guns.

[Telconi]

Guns, guns, gun laws and guns.

I think there are more factors at play here than guns.

Not politically profitable ones though.

[Tobleste]

Guns, guns, gun laws and guns.

I think there are more factors at play here than guns.

There's more causes to mass shootings than guns but as to why America is so much more likely to have school shootings, there's only one reason.

[Uxupox]

I think there are more factors at play here than guns.

There's more causes to mass shootings than guns but as to why America is so much more likely to have school shootings, there's only one reason.

which is?

[Tobleste]

There's more causes to mass shootings than guns but as to why America is so much more likely to have school shootings, there's only one reason.

which is?

Guns, guns, gun laws and guns.

[Uxupox]

which is?

Guns, guns, gun laws and guns.

nope.

[Cekoviu]

I think there are more factors at play here than guns.

There's more causes to mass shootings than guns but as to why America is so much more likely to have school shootings, there's only one reason.

I disagree. However, it does seem that less stringent gun control leads to more gun massacres, as I showed with the post about Finland and the US vs. some other countries from around the world.

[Dylar]

There's more causes to mass shootings than guns but as to why America is so much more likely to have school shootings, there's only one reason.

I disagree. However, it does seem that less stringent gun control leads to more gun massacres, as I showed with the post about Finland and the US vs. some other countries from around the world.

And yet, Chicago with one of the strictest gun control laws in the US has more shootings than Sante Fe, Texas.

[Cekoviu]

I disagree. However, it does seem that less stringent gun control leads to more gun massacres, as I showed with the post about Finland and the US vs. some other countries from around the world.

And yet, Chicago with one of the strictest gun control laws in the US has more shootings than Sante Fe, Texas.

I didn't say it was the only reason. And most killings in Chicago are of one or two people iirc, not massacres. To be fair, many school shootings are the same. (The two in Finland were fairly large-scale, while US ones vary.)

[Tobleste]

nope.

Errr.... yes.

More guns equal more gun deaths.

[Telconi]

nope.

Errr.... yes.

More guns equal more gun deaths.

That isn't news, more cars equal more car deaths, more airplanes equal more airplane deaths and so on and so forth.

[Cekoviu]

nope.

Errr.... yes.

More guns equal more gun deaths.

In other news, water is wet and the Pope has been stringently tested to prove that he is, in fact, Catholic.

[Uxupox]

nope.

Errr.... yes.

More guns equal more gun deaths.

is planet Earth a planet?

[Gig em Aggies]

Errr.... yes.

More guns equal more gun deaths.

is planet Earth a planet?

No the Earth is just a giant pancake just like it's somehow always the NRA's fault whenever people go ape and kill a bunch of innocent people.

[Petrasylvania]

From the Georgia thread:

Realistically, talk of improving mental health services is hollow feelgood platitude coming from the same Republican Party that's trying to abolish safety nets in some Social Darwinist drive.

Banning every single firearm is excessive.

Improving and enforcing background checks to make it smoother is reasonable.

It would never happen realistically, but in the interest of teaching lessons the hard way I would propose a county in a red state or even an entire red state be experimentally allowed a complete firearm fiesta for a few years. No restrictions on firearms including automatic weapons and destructive devices. If the test area can prove the pro gun argument through the testing period by not ending up as either the Bad Ending of Needful Things or a gun running bazaar then that would settle the debate. Otherwise there would be a hard understanding that restrictions are necessary.

[Len Hyet]

nope.

Errr.... yes.

More guns equal more gun deaths.

Zero correlation between state homicide rate and state gun laws. More broadly, when you compare the link between gun ownership and homicide rates, there is no correlation.

What you've found is a positive correlation between gun ownership and gun homicide. Much like there's a positive correlation between car ownership and traffic accidents, or a positive correlation between plant life and the color green. In other words, you found jack shit.

[Telconi]

From the Georgia thread:

Realistically, talk of improving mental health services is hollow feelgood platitude coming from the same Republican Party that's trying to abolish safety nets in some Social Darwinist drive.

Banning every single firearm is excessive.

Improving and enforcing background checks to make it smoother is reasonable.

It would never happen realistically, but in the interest of teaching lessons the hard way I would propose a county in a red state or even an entire red state be experimentally allowed a complete firearm fiesta for a few years. No restrictions on firearms including automatic weapons and destructive devices. If the test area can prove the pro gun argument through the testing period by not ending up as either the Bad Ending of Needful Things or a gun running bazaar then that would settle the debate. Otherwise there would be a hard understanding that restrictions are necessary.

Your idea isn't any better here.

[The Black Forrest]

I think there are more factors at play here than guns.

Not politically profitable ones though.

Don't worry. Thoughts and prayers, moments of silence, facebook pictures, and memes make it all better.

[Tobleste]

Errr.... yes.

More guns equal more gun deaths.

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Zero correlation between state homicide rate and state gun laws. More broadly, when you compare the link between gun ownership and homicide rates, there is no correlation.

What you've found is a positive correlation between gun ownership and gun homicide. Much like there's a positive correlation between car ownership and traffic accidents, or a positive correlation between plant life and the color green. In other words, you found jack shit.

If you'd been bothered to read the post I was responding to, you'd (probably) realise the question was why are there so many school shootings in America. I answered that question.

Relax, I'm not trying to prove guns are dangerous when not regulated and widely available, I'm aware many of the people who disagree with that simply don't care and aren't changing their minds whatever the rest of us say. In some cases, they don't even bother to read the words of the people they disagree with.

[Len Hyet]

Zero correlation between state homicide rate and state gun laws. More broadly, when you compare the link between gun ownership and homicide rates, there is no correlation.

(Image)

What you've found is a positive correlation between gun ownership and gun homicide. Much like there's a positive correlation between car ownership and traffic accidents, or a positive correlation between plant life and the color green. In other words, you found jack shit.

If you'd been bothered to read the post I was responding to, you'd (probably) realise the question was why are there so many school shootings in America. I answered that question.

Relax, I'm not trying to prove guns are dangerous when not regulated and widely available, I'm aware many of the people who disagree with that simply don't care and aren't changing their minds whatever the rest of us say. In some cases, they don't even bother to read the words of the people they disagree with.

And if you had bothered to draw the natural conclusion of the evidence in front of your face, you'd realize that "why so many school shootings" can't be the product of guns if guns don't have a positive correlation with homicide.

But hey don't let me get in the way of your snark and condescension.

[Tobleste]

If you'd been bothered to read the post I was responding to, you'd (probably) realise the question was why are there so many school shootings in America. I answered that question.

Relax, I'm not trying to prove guns are dangerous when not regulated and widely available, I'm aware many of the people who disagree with that simply don't care and aren't changing their minds whatever the rest of us say. In some cases, they don't even bother to read the words of the people they disagree with.

And if you had bothered to draw the natural conclusion of the evidence in front of your face, you'd realize that "why so many school shootings" can't be the product of guns if guns don't have a positive correlation with homicide.

But hey don't let me get in the way of your snark and condescension.

You couldn't. You provide ample opportunity for me to be condescending.

[Len Hyet]

And if you had bothered to draw the natural conclusion of the evidence in front of your face, you'd realize that "why so many school shootings" can't be the product of guns if guns don't have a positive correlation with homicide.

But hey don't let me get in the way of your snark and condescension.

You couldn't. You provide ample opportunity for me to be condescending.

It's not really a replacement for evidence, but you do you.

[Telconi]

Not politically profitable ones though.

Don't worry. Thoughts and prayers, moments of silence, facebook pictures, and memes make it all better.

Interesting position coming from you.

[Fartsniffage]

If you'd been bothered to read the post I was responding to, you'd (probably) realise the question was why are there so many school shootings in America. I answered that question.

Relax, I'm not trying to prove guns are dangerous when not regulated and widely available, I'm aware many of the people who disagree with that simply don't care and aren't changing their minds whatever the rest of us say. In some cases, they don't even bother to read the words of the people they disagree with.

And if you had bothered to draw the natural conclusion of the evidence in front of your face, you'd realize that "why so many school shootings" can't be the product of guns if guns don't have a positive correlation with homicide.

But hey don't let me get in the way of your snark and condescension.

That's a tenuous link.

If you accept that American school kids aren't some unique bunch and that kids in other schools across the world would sometimes like to go on a murder spree then easy access to firearms would seem to be the thing that sets American kids apart.

The one instance that sticks in my mind is this one. Both because it was my old high school and my brother was a student there on the date they planned to attack.

[Len Hyet]

And if you had bothered to draw the natural conclusion of the evidence in front of your face, you'd realize that "why so many school shootings" can't be the product of guns if guns don't have a positive correlation with homicide.

But hey don't let me get in the way of your snark and condescension.

That's a tenuous link.

If you accept that American school kids aren't some unique bunch and that kids in other schools across the world would sometimes like to go on a murder spree then easy access to firearms would seem to be the thing that sets American kids apart.

The one instance that sticks in my mind is this one. Both because it was my old high school and my brother was a student there on the date they planned to attack.

I don't completely accept that though. I do think there is an ongoing crisis with young men in America that is, through a combination of cultural factors, uniquely and tragically American.