10 dead in Santa Fe High Shooting in Santa Fe, Tx

[Bombadil]

Ha ha, yes.. instead of being suspended for bringing your hand to school..

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/09/opin ... index.html

Yeah, it's nowhere near the same. I'm glad though that the best defense able to be mounted against the terrible meme that is the UK is a mere school suspension! Truly you out do yourself, this is even better than claiming China is defensive. You could have at least brought up Shekrli's parole violation or some RuneScape events.

Haha.. you use a unique case of someone training their dog to Nazi salute to the word 'Jews' to the thousand of cases of kids being suspended for innocuous activities, or kids being shot for holding a wallet, or a chicken wing.. all the aspects of a culture that fear the idea that someone might own a gun with tragic consequences. Shoot first ask questions later.

Somehow you find the latter acceptable, and less of a nanny state.. less consequence..

I'm sure you can cite me stating China's foreign policy is defensive but near any modern foreign strategy is built on 'defensive', near any in history.. economic strategy is based on a defensive mindset.. but by the by.. not sure of the relevance here and not sure why I, as someone who speaks Mandarin and Cantonese and has lived in the region for a decade is even considering debating the point with someone who's shown little knowledge of such things.. and has a history of making histrionic points to.. I don't know, make some imagined point if only to set up their own parameters of a debate they argue among themselves.

It's fine to use hyperbole and bluster to massage the idea you've any serious points.. enjoy.. but don't think anyone serious takes you seriously other than an amusing by-point.

There are thousands of instances of children being suspended for education for acts considered benign in near any other civilised country.. you call out unique instances over a general trend as if to make the point the US is more free for owning guns when in fact, with clear evidence, it's affecting more lives on a daily basis.. from shootings to suspensions to innocent victims being shot for.. hey, what was it.. walking the street home from 7-11 having bought some candies.

Mockery is fun I guess if you've the time to indulge in it over making any real point.

[Datlofff]

Hardly, theres quite a lot of support amongst gun owners for such a registry.

Yeah no. Chicago did a registry then used it to confiscate them all.

And the interplay between a gun registry and the Freedom of Information Act should scare anyone.

Chicago ----> Murders ----> Gun Control -----> Murder rate triples ----->????------> Profit

[Dylar]

Yeah no. Chicago did a registry then used it to confiscate them all.

And the interplay between a gun registry and the Freedom of Information Act should scare anyone.

Chicago ----> Murders ----> Gun Control -----> Murder rate triples ----->????------> Profit

Also

------>Blame Gary, IN for Chicago's problems

[Datlofff]

Yeah, it's nowhere near the same. I'm glad though that the best defense able to be mounted against the terrible meme that is the UK is a mere school suspension! Truly you out do yourself, this is even better than claiming China is defensive. You could have at least brought up Shekrli's parole violation or some RuneScape events.

Haha.. you use a unique case of someone training their dog to Nazi salute to the word 'Jews' to the thousand of cases of kids being suspended for innocuous activities, or kids being shot for holding a wallet, or a chicken wing.. all the aspects of a culture that fear the idea that someone might own a gun with tragic consequences. Shoot first ask questions later.

Somehow you find the latter acceptable, and less of a nanny state.. less consequence..

I'm sure you can cite me stating China's foreign policy is defensive but near any modern foreign strategy is built on 'defensive', near any in history.. economic strategy is based on a defensive mindset.. but by the by.. not sure of the relevance here and not sure why I, as someone who speaks Mandarin and Cantonese and has lived in the region for a decade is even considering debating the point with someone who's shown little knowledge of such things.. and has a history of making histrionic points to.. I don't know, make some imagined point if only to set up their own parameters of a debate they argue among themselves.

It's fine to use hyperbole and bluster to massage the idea you've any serious points.. enjoy.. but don't think anyone serious takes you seriously other than an amusing by-point.

There are thousands of instances of children being suspended for education for acts considered benign in near any other civilised country.. you call out unique instances over a general trend as if to make the point the US is more free for owning guns when in fact, with clear evidence, it's affecting more lives on a daily basis.. from shootings to suspensions to innocent victims being shot for.. hey, what was it.. walking the street home from 7-11 having bought some candies.

Mockery is fun I guess if you've the time to indulge in it over making any real point.

The general trend in the USA is that firearms are used defensively 2.5 million times in the USA, and these are all legally justified uses. There are 33 thousand deaths to guns each year in the USA, but 62% of those deaths are caused by suicide. So the homicide numbers are reduced to 13 thousand. If we cancel out ever life lost with every life saved we get a net total of 2.487 million lives saved. I'd say thats pretty fucking good.

Cops and people are very much against "Shoot first ask questions later" why? Because if you do that thats how you end up in jail. Most of these shootings where the suspect was "Unarmed" usually are justified if you actually look at both fucking sides and the police body cams.

[Datlofff]

Chicago ----> Murders ----> Gun Control -----> Murder rate triples ----->????------> Profit

Also

------>Blame Gary, IN for Chicago's problems

You can't blame a state that all everyone does is just drive through for another states problems, sorry. Thats like blaming a flood in Lake Erie as the reason the Mississippi River down in Vicksburg also flooded.

[Dylar]

Also

------>Blame Gary, IN for Chicago's problems

You can't blame a state that all everyone does is just drive through for another states problems, sorry. Thats like blaming a flood in Lake Erie as the reason the Mississippi River down in Vicksburg also flooded.

And yet the Chicago mayor does it anyway. Only because Gary is having the same problems as Chicago. Surprisingly, though, there's not that much gun violence in Indiana except for Gary and downtown Indianapolis. And it's mostly gang related...

[Bombadil]

Haha.. you use a unique case of someone training their dog to Nazi salute to the word 'Jews' to the thousand of cases of kids being suspended for innocuous activities, or kids being shot for holding a wallet, or a chicken wing.. all the aspects of a culture that fear the idea that someone might own a gun with tragic consequences. Shoot first ask questions later.

Somehow you find the latter acceptable, and less of a nanny state.. less consequence..

I'm sure you can cite me stating China's foreign policy is defensive but near any modern foreign strategy is built on 'defensive', near any in history.. economic strategy is based on a defensive mindset.. but by the by.. not sure of the relevance here and not sure why I, as someone who speaks Mandarin and Cantonese and has lived in the region for a decade is even considering debating the point with someone who's shown little knowledge of such things.. and has a history of making histrionic points to.. I don't know, make some imagined point if only to set up their own parameters of a debate they argue among themselves.

It's fine to use hyperbole and bluster to massage the idea you've any serious points.. enjoy.. but don't think anyone serious takes you seriously other than an amusing by-point.

There are thousands of instances of children being suspended for education for acts considered benign in near any other civilised country.. you call out unique instances over a general trend as if to make the point the US is more free for owning guns when in fact, with clear evidence, it's affecting more lives on a daily basis.. from shootings to suspensions to innocent victims being shot for.. hey, what was it.. walking the street home from 7-11 having bought some candies.

Mockery is fun I guess if you've the time to indulge in it over making any real point.

The general trend in the USA is that firearms are used defensively 2.5 million times in the USA, and these are all legally justified uses. There are 33 thousand deaths to guns each year in the USA, but 62% of those deaths are caused by suicide. So the homicide numbers are reduced to 13 thousand. If we cancel out ever life lost with every life saved we get a net total of 2.487 million lives saved. I'd say thats pretty fucking good.

Sweet.. playing with numbers you're No. 1 for deaths by suicide by gun at 7.10 and 16th for homicide in some real good company at 4.62..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... death_rate

Prettay.. prettay.. prettay.. fucking good.

[Licana]

Sweet.. playing with numbers

Interesting choice of words. "Playing" is a pretty good description for what gun control advocates tend to do with statistics.

you're No. 1 for deaths by suicide by gun

wow what a meaningful statistic

16th for homicide

You forgot to specify firearms homicide. You always have to remember to tell everyone that you're more offended about the tool than the crime.

[Bombadil]

Sweet.. playing with numbers

Interesting choice of words. "Playing" is a pretty good description for what gun control advocates tend to do with statistics.

you're No. 1 for deaths by suicide by gun

wow what a meaningful statistic

16th for homicide

You forgot to specify firearms homicide. You always have to remember to tell everyone that you're more offended about the tool than the crime.

Oh no.. I forgot to specifically note homicide by guns in a debate about gun control.. sorreeeee!

It almost feels like you're making some point.

God knows there's plenty of pre-ordained points to be made in a debate that is.. gasp* ultimately a racist debate that has fooled a lot of people into the idea it's about freedom.

When did the NRA come into being.. the same year the Ku Klux Klan was called a terrorist group.. say it ain't so partner!

When do civil war monuments and gun sales spike.. no.. please.. correlation and causation.. no..! No spikes..

https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default ... orical.JPG

[The East Marches II]

Yeah, it's nowhere near the same. I'm glad though that the best defense able to be mounted against the terrible meme that is the UK is a mere school suspension! Truly you out do yourself, this is even better than claiming China is defensive. You could have at least brought up Shekrli's parole violation or some RuneScape events.

Haha.. you use a unique case of someone training their dog to Nazi salute to the word 'Jews' to the thousand of cases of kids being suspended for innocuous activities, or kids being shot for holding a wallet, or a chicken wing.. all the aspects of a culture that fear the idea that someone might own a gun with tragic consequences. Shoot first ask questions later.

Somehow you find the latter acceptable, and less of a nanny state.. less consequence..

I'm sure you can cite me stating China's foreign policy is defensive but near any modern foreign strategy is built on 'defensive', near any in history.. economic strategy is based on a defensive mindset.. but by the by.. not sure of the relevance here and not sure why I, as someone who speaks Mandarin and Cantonese and has lived in the region for a decade is even considering debating the point with someone who's shown little knowledge of such things.. and has a history of making histrionic points to.. I don't know, make some imagined point if only to set up their own parameters of a debate they argue among themselves.

It's fine to use hyperbole and bluster to massage the idea you've any serious points.. enjoy.. but don't think anyone serious takes you seriously other than an amusing by-point.

There are thousands of instances of children being suspended for education for acts considered benign in near any other civilised country.. you call out unique instances over a general trend as if to make the point the US is more free for owning guns when in fact, with clear evidence, it's affecting more lives on a daily basis.. from shootings to suspensions to innocent victims being shot for.. hey, what was it.. walking the street home from 7-11 having bought some candies.

Mockery is fun I guess if you've the time to indulge in it over making any real point.

Generally speaking yes it's a bad idea to take the word of somebody involved with the Chinese regarding their foreign policy movements. Foreign policy is not always defensive neither is economic, indeed China has shown it is the offensive state par excellence in both! But by all means my very experienced friend of the Orient, lecture me from your lofty position on the benevolence of the world's first automated repression state. I wish to see how my own travel experience pales in comparison to your apologism for authoritarianism and tyranny.

It's not a unique case, it's very common. I can cite many a Twitter user getting ruined by an off color jokes too. Perhaps I can even bring up the influence of feminists in ensuring men accused of rape can't get an honest trial even when the police have exculpatory evidence. Personally I prefer the absurdity of the potato peeler arrest and the Nazi pug guy, it shows why being in the ranks of nations who are nothing more than a bad joke themselves is something not to aspire to.

I'm so hurt, the opinion of Bombadil on whether or not "serious" people take my points! I'm sure you and I will differ on who is serious or not.

You are right, I make the point we are more free because we are. A stupid school suspension is nothing compared to a systemic issue regarding honest trials for men, the repression of speech or being arrested for carrying a pointed object in one's pocket. Do tell us more tragic stories to make our hearts bleed. Maybe you'll even convince us we need porn passes too!

[Claorica]

Interesting choice of words. "Playing" is a pretty good description for what gun control advocates tend to do with statistics.



wow what a meaningful statistic



You forgot to specify firearms homicide. You always have to remember to tell everyone that you're more offended about the tool than the crime.

Oh no.. I forgot to specifically note homicide by guns in a debate about gun control.. sorreeeee!

It almost feels like you're making some point.

God knows there's plenty of pre-ordained points to be made in a debate that is.. gasp* ultimately a racist debate that has fooled a lot of people into the idea it's about freedom.

When did the NRA come into being.. the same year the Ku Klux Klan was called a terrorist group.. say it ain't so partner!

When do civil war monuments and gun sales spike.. no.. please.. correlation and causation.. no..! No spikes..

https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default ... orical.JPG

The NRA literally supported and sponsored black chapters in the south during the height of the civil rights hubbub.

So your idea that they're somehow racist is idiotic, false, and ultimately something that is so stupid it reaches meme-worthy proportions.

[Bombadil]

But by all means my very experienced friend of the Orient, lecture me from your lofty position on the benevolence of the world's first automated repression state.

This alone.. lol.

Stop making up positions for other people.

[Licana]

Oh no.. I forgot to specifically note homicide by guns in a debate about gun control.. sorreeeee!

It's an important detail to forget, after all you might accidentally imply that you actually care about stopping homicides more than banning scary objects.

It almost feels like you're making some point.

Which is beyond what you've managed.

God knows there's plenty of pre-ordained points to be made in a debate that is.. gasp* ultimately a racist debate that has fooled a lot of people into the idea it's about freedom.

"it waycist"

"the police will keep black people safe!"

[Ardoki]

Why is it always America? Students in other countries never seem to go on homicidal rampages.

[Dylar]

Why is it always America? Students in other countries never seem to go on homicidal rampages.

Bullying and the fact that any bystanders won't do anything to help the bullied, so the bullied student is pissed off at everyone, so he steals his family's/friend's rifle from the secured storage area to go out and get revenge. And then everyone after that wants to punish every gun owner by limiting what they can buy and by inacting fines if the gun is stored away in a specific way, which does nothing in the long run because more and more vengeance-filled people go out and commit more murders causing this endless cycle.

[Bombadil]

The NRA literally supported and sponsored black chapters in the south during the height of the civil rights hubbub.

So your idea that they're somehow racist is idiotic, false, and ultimately something that is so stupid it reaches meme-worthy proportions.

Ha ha, when did gun laws come into being supported by heroes such as Ronald Reagan.. Gun Control Act of 1968.. after black people rioted and used guns in 67'.. barred felons, Saturday night specials and increased licensing.. aimed mostly at stopping blacks from owning guns..

Weirdly and proudly supported by the NRA at the time in American Rifleman.. try taking guns from white people.. argh.. horror.. let's make less doors.

The issues around gun control are framed by racism and the arguments used, unwittingly by many who use them, are created by racists. People might think it's about freedom and the American way but it's the 'true' American way..

..not even to say argument points are racist in and of themselves, but know where they stemmed from.

[Bombadil]

Why is it always America? Students in other countries never seem to go on homicidal rampages.

Bullying and the fact that any bystanders won't do anything to help the bullied, so the bullied student is pissed off at everyone, so he steals his family's/friend's rifle from the secured storage area to go out and get revenge. And then everyone after that wants to punish every gun owner by limiting what they can buy and by inacting fines if the gun is stored away in a specific way, which does nothing in the long run because more and more vengeance-filled people go out and commit more murders causing this endless cycle.

Bullying: Only in America

See it in cinemas near you.

[Dylar]

The NRA literally supported and sponsored black chapters in the south during the height of the civil rights hubbub.

So your idea that they're somehow racist is idiotic, false, and ultimately something that is so stupid it reaches meme-worthy proportions.

Ha ha, when did gun laws come into being supported by heroes such as Ronald Reagan.. Gun Control Act of 1968.. after black people rioted and used guns in 67'.. barred felons, Saturday night specials and increased licensing.. aimed mostly at stopping blacks from owning guns..

Thanks for proving that gun control is racist.

[Licana]

barred felons, Saturday night specials and increased licensing.. aimed mostly at stopping blacks from owning guns..

>Gun control is bad
WAYCIST!
>black people are felons
PROGRESSIVE!

[The East Marches II]

The NRA literally supported and sponsored black chapters in the south during the height of the civil rights hubbub.

So your idea that they're somehow racist is idiotic, false, and ultimately something that is so stupid it reaches meme-worthy proportions.

Ha ha, when did gun laws come into being supported by heroes such as Ronald Reagan.. Gun Control Act of 1968.. after black people rioted and used guns in 67'.. barred felons, Saturday night specials and increased licensing.. aimed mostly at stopping blacks from owning guns..

Weirdly and proudly supported by the NRA at the time in American Rifleman.. try taking guns from white people.. argh.. horror.. let's make less doors.

The issues around gun control are framed by racism and the arguments used, unwittingly by many who use them, are created by racists. People might think it's about freedom and the American way but it's the 'true' American way..

..not even to say argument points are racist in and of themselves, but know where they stemmed from.

That's correct, the fine gentlemen of the NRA who went to bat for minorities disproportionately being denied their conceal carry rights in Chicago argument stemmed from pro-white racism and a desire to deny browns their right to bear arms.

You got em!

[Bombadil]

Like I say maybe the right solution is to give guns to every student with a B+ average.. raise education as no one wants to be the kid on the playground without a gun and lower shootings because people might have intelligent points and context..

..yet my emails are ignored, perhaps I need to follow the government Snapchat.

[Bombadil]

I imagine people need to go find their pre-written points from whatever groups or forums.. I'm past my 9pm curfew on internet so pile on to the morning

[Ardoki]

Why is it always America? Students in other countries never seem to go on homicidal rampages.

Bullying and the fact that any bystanders won't do anything to help the bullied, so the bullied student is pissed off at everyone, so he steals his family's/friend's rifle from the secured storage area to go out and get revenge. And then everyone after that wants to punish every gun owner by limiting what they can buy and by inacting fines if the gun is stored away in a specific way, which does nothing in the long run because more and more vengeance-filled people go out and commit more murders causing this endless cycle.

Yeah, but you don't need guns to go on homicidal rampages. Yeah, a student running around with a knife probably won't kill many people likely they could with a gun, if they manage to kill any at all. But you don't see this in other countries, only American students seem to have these urges to mass murder.

[Datlofff]

Bullying and the fact that any bystanders won't do anything to help the bullied, so the bullied student is pissed off at everyone, so he steals his family's/friend's rifle from the secured storage area to go out and get revenge. And then everyone after that wants to punish every gun owner by limiting what they can buy and by inacting fines if the gun is stored away in a specific way, which does nothing in the long run because more and more vengeance-filled people go out and commit more murders causing this endless cycle.

Yeah, but you don't need guns to go on homicidal rampages. Yeah, a student running around with a knife probably won't kill many people likely they could with a gun, if they manage to kill any at all. But you don't see this in other countries, only American students seem to have these urges to mass murder.

A couple of mental ill guys did it, so now other mental ill kids are doing the same thing to become infamous. Basically they are copy cats, it happens a lot with crimes.

[Tobleste]

Why is it always America? Students in other countries never seem to go on homicidal rampages.

Guns, guns, gun laws and guns.