10 dead in Santa Fe High Shooting in Santa Fe, Tx

[Telconi]

They underestimated us, instead we're arguing if the listed ones even count.

You're an argumentative kind of people. If you weren't you'd still be British.

Implying that's a bad thing.

[Fartsniffage]

You're an argumentative kind of people. If you weren't you'd still be British.

Implying that's a bad thing.

I implied nothing. You inferred much.

[Kernen]

Americans do like conflict. I'm pretty guilty of that.

[Fartsniffage]

I don't think I can answer it. Certainly not without a lot more thought. It's such a weird question. I'm pretty sure I know how you would define freedom but in the UK we have far fewer eagles and guns.

I'll come back to you on that one.



It's not a redirect when it's completely tied to my initial point. Or have you forgotten what that was with all your flailing?

A mealy-mouthed reply regarding your real views, nothing unusual about that. It is fair to say your thoughts on the matter shouldn't be taken seriously.

Your point was to dodge to question and put forth an absurdity to cover the bankruptcy of your initial point. Alas my fellow countrymen are foolish and biting on to the dodge! A pity.

Why so angry TEM? Do you need a hug?

[The East Marches II]

A mealy-mouthed reply regarding your real views, nothing unusual about that. It is fair to say your thoughts on the matter shouldn't be taken seriously.

Your point was to dodge to question and put forth an absurdity to cover the bankruptcy of your initial point. Alas my fellow countrymen are foolish and biting on to the dodge! A pity.

Why so angry TEM? Do you need a hug?

Yes

[Fartsniffage]

Why so angry TEM? Do you need a hug?

Yes

*hugs*

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

memes

[Telconi]

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Not my fault you don't understand the concept.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

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Not my fault you don't understand the concept.

Not my fault that your being illogical about this and can't see that Enough at the very least imply's a cap of some sort.

And are using an excuse to pick up your ball and go home.

[Fartsniffage]

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Not my fault you don't understand the concept.

Do you need a hug too?

[Telconi]

Not my fault you don't understand the concept.

Not my fault that your being illogical about this and can't see that Enough at the very least imply's a cap of some sort.

And are using an excuse to pick up your ball and go home.

It does not imply a cap. For example "There is not enough money in the world to buy my firstborn child" nothing about that statement implies that there is enough elsewhere, or that there is a theoretical amount that would be suitable.

Not my fault you don't understand the concept.

Do you need a hug too?

Screw off.

[Fartsniffage]

Screw off.

*hugs anyway*

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Not my fault that your being illogical about this and can't see that Enough at the very least imply's a cap of some sort.

And are using an excuse to pick up your ball and go home.

It does not imply a cap. For example "There is not enough money in the world to buy my firstborn child" nothing about that statement implies that there is enough elsewhere, or that there is a theoretical amount that would be suitable.

Do you need a hug too?

Screw off.

You can also use enough as in: "No more for me I had enough food."

"Enough of your bullshit!"

"I have just enough chocolate chips for the cookie recipe."

All of those statements have a cap,

Enough food at stomach capacity, enough tolerance from Alex Vance to deal with Mossman's bullshit, or enough chocolate chips for a batch of cookies.

[The East Marches II]

Yes

*hugs*

T-thank you

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

*hugs*

T-thank you

*shot out of cannon hugs for TEM*

Just like how we do it in TSP.

[Dylar]

T-thank you

*shot out of cannon hugs for TEM*

Just like how we do it in TSP.

Except, you're forgetting one thing:

*puts lampshade on head*

[Tobleste]

I appreciate the response. First off, I take issue with you using the “slippery slope” argument because there is evidence for there being a real slippery slope. We have examples of nations banning the vast majority of guns to the public and certain states have done everything they can to make gun ownership unnecessarily difficult. I’m open to compromise but that requires something being given in exchange. And no, mass shootings in and of themselves are not a reason for me to accept restrictions upon my rights. The keyword there is rights. It should be obvious that I hold the 2A in high regard, in a similar way to the 1A. I respect and admire the underlying principles behind them. I won’t accept restrictions placed on either without a damn good amount of evidence that it would do a sufficient amount of good. And even then, I will be hesitant. They’re simply things that I value. Not to be callous but mass shootings are too few in number for me to consider the type of restrictions Democrats have been proposing to be reasonable, especially given the doubts I have about the effectiveness of such laws. Make no mistake, there are measures that I and likely more than a few other gun rights advocates would be happy to support. They just aren’t the ones you’re pushing for. At least, not at the moment.

Well at least you're honest. Unfortunately, evidence isn't the priority for gun control opponents so the issue will never progress from the current situation. What's happening at 'the moment' is just going to continue for the next few decades at least and I don't think there'll be any change. It's like what that British journalist said, Sandy Hook was the end of the gun debate. Once dead kids was accepted, everything was.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Well at least you're honest. Unfortunately, evidence isn't the priority for gun control opponents

Odd how you say this yet you run away every time you're challenged to debate the issue :thonk:

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

*shot out of cannon hugs for TEM*

Just like how we do it in TSP.

Except, you're forgetting one thing:

*puts lampshade on head*

:3

I appreciate the response. First off, I take issue with you using the “slippery slope” argument because there is evidence for there being a real slippery slope. We have examples of nations banning the vast majority of guns to the public and certain states have done everything they can to make gun ownership unnecessarily difficult. I’m open to compromise but that requires something being given in exchange. And no, mass shootings in and of themselves are not a reason for me to accept restrictions upon my rights. The keyword there is rights. It should be obvious that I hold the 2A in high regard, in a similar way to the 1A. I respect and admire the underlying principles behind them. I won’t accept restrictions placed on either without a damn good amount of evidence that it would do a sufficient amount of good. And even then, I will be hesitant. They’re simply things that I value. Not to be callous but mass shootings are too few in number for me to consider the type of restrictions Democrats have been proposing to be reasonable, especially given the doubts I have about the effectiveness of such laws. Make no mistake, there are measures that I and likely more than a few other gun rights advocates would be happy to support. They just aren’t the ones you’re pushing for. At least, not at the moment.

Well at least you're honest. Unfortunately, evidence isn't the priority for gun control opponents so the issue will never progress from the current situation. What's happening at 'the moment' is just going to continue for the next few decades at least and I don't think there'll be any change. It's like what that British journalist said, Sandy Hook was the end of the gun debate. Once dead kids was accepted, everything was.

Sadly we have dead kids in this attack too.

[Telconi]

I appreciate the response. First off, I take issue with you using the “slippery slope” argument because there is evidence for there being a real slippery slope. We have examples of nations banning the vast majority of guns to the public and certain states have done everything they can to make gun ownership unnecessarily difficult. I’m open to compromise but that requires something being given in exchange. And no, mass shootings in and of themselves are not a reason for me to accept restrictions upon my rights. The keyword there is rights. It should be obvious that I hold the 2A in high regard, in a similar way to the 1A. I respect and admire the underlying principles behind them. I won’t accept restrictions placed on either without a damn good amount of evidence that it would do a sufficient amount of good. And even then, I will be hesitant. They’re simply things that I value. Not to be callous but mass shootings are too few in number for me to consider the type of restrictions Democrats have been proposing to be reasonable, especially given the doubts I have about the effectiveness of such laws. Make no mistake, there are measures that I and likely more than a few other gun rights advocates would be happy to support. They just aren’t the ones you’re pushing for. At least, not at the moment.

Well at least you're honest. Unfortunately, evidence isn't the priority for gun control opponents so the issue will never progress from the current situation. What's happening at 'the moment' is just going to continue for the next few decades at least and I don't think there'll be any change. It's like what that British journalist said, Sandy Hook was the end of the gun debate. Once dead kids was accepted, everything was.

Evidence that your opinions are superior? I don't think we'll ever find any.

[Tobleste]

I appreciate the response. First off, I take issue with you using the “slippery slope” argument because there is evidence for there being a real slippery slope. We have examples of nations banning the vast majority of guns to the public and certain states have done everything they can to make gun ownership unnecessarily difficult. I’m open to compromise but that requires something being given in exchange. And no, mass shootings in and of themselves are not a reason for me to accept restrictions upon my rights. The keyword there is rights. It should be obvious that I hold the 2A in high regard, in a similar way to the 1A. I respect and admire the underlying principles behind them. I won’t accept restrictions placed on either without a damn good amount of evidence that it would do a sufficient amount of good. And even then, I will be hesitant. They’re simply things that I value. Not to be callous but mass shootings are too few in number for me to consider the type of restrictions Democrats have been proposing to be reasonable, especially given the doubts I have about the effectiveness of such laws. Make no mistake, there are measures that I and likely more than a few other gun rights advocates would be happy to support. They just aren’t the ones you’re pushing for. At least, not at the moment.

Well at least you're honest. Unfortunately, evidence isn't the priority for gun control opponents so the issue will never progress from the current situation. What's happening at 'the moment' is just going to continue for the next few decades at least and I don't think there'll be any change. It's like what that British journalist said, Sandy Hook was the end of the gun debate. Once dead kids was accepted, everything was.

Sadly we have dead kids in this attack too.[/quote]

I know it sounds awful but I think the current laws combined with the increase in these shootings basically means that this is the current trade off. Honestly I think the news should stop paying so much attention to these things. Most people know where they stand and bombarding people with coverage isn't going to make the NRA start caring.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... e-massacre

That shows there's some hope at least.

[Fartsniffage]

Well at least you're honest. Unfortunately, evidence isn't the priority for gun control opponents so the issue will never progress from the current situation. What's happening at 'the moment' is just going to continue for the next few decades at least and I don't think there'll be any change. It's like what that British journalist said, Sandy Hook was the end of the gun debate. Once dead kids was accepted, everything was.

Sadly we have dead kids in this attack too.

I know it sounds awful but I think the current laws combined with the increase in these shootings basically means that this is the current trade off. Honestly I think the news should stop paying so much attention to these things. Most people know where they stand and bombarding people with coverage isn't going to make the NRA start caring.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... e-massacre

That shows there's some hope at least.[/quote]

If it bleeds it leads. Dead kids get ratings.

[Fartsniffage]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44186989

He left selected people alive to tell his story.

[Cekoviu]

Well at least you're honest. Unfortunately, evidence isn't the priority for gun control opponents so the issue will never progress from the current situation. What's happening at 'the moment' is just going to continue for the next few decades at least and I don't think there'll be any change. It's like what that British journalist said, Sandy Hook was the end of the gun debate. Once dead kids was accepted, everything was.

Evidence that your opinions are superior? I don't think we'll ever find any.

There is evidence that mass shootings are heavily decreased when gun control measures are enacted, as with Australia. I don't know exactly what measures Tobleste is in favor of, though, and regardless, it would be unconstitutional to ban guns or certain types of guns in the United States.

[Goldwater]

Evidence that your opinions are superior? I don't think we'll ever find any.

There is evidence that mass shootings are heavily decreased when gun control measures are enacted, as with Australia. I don't know exactly what measures Tobleste is in favor of, though, and regardless, it would be unconstitutional to ban guns or certain types of guns in the United States.

Lord Thanos has a plan to cut mass shootings in half from what I've heard. It probably isn't worth it though.