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World Cup?

Great World Cup!
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Good World Cup!
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Meh
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10%
Bad World Cup!
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Awful World Cup!
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Total votes : 48

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:26 pm

Soviet-mongol wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And you base this accusation on what?

Because Cakir tolerated Anglos comitting fauls whereas he always sanctioned croatian ones. I remember he refused to use VAR on England at the end of first half. I stand by my assertion that England is an average and mediocre team and that Russia would easily defeat them.

Also Henry Kane got the Golden Bot aware which is a joke. Half of his scored goals comes from the penalties


So it's an opinion then.
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Postby Soviet-mongol » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:29 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Soviet-mongol wrote:Because Cakir tolerated Anglos comitting fauls whereas he always sanctioned croatian ones. I remember he refused to use VAR on England at the end of first half. I stand by my assertion that England is an average and mediocre team and that Russia would easily defeat them.

Also Henry Kane got the Golden Bot aware which is a joke. Half of his scored goals comes from the penalties


So it's an opinion then.

The ref did not get the much attention because at the end Croatia won. But if you look the one with France you will see many are calling them out.

Oh and the Anglo media are disgusting arrogant. They really believe England is a power house and even dare to compare it with Croatia LOL
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Postby Nimzonia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:13 pm

Soviet-mongol wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So it's an opinion then.

The ref did not get the much attention because at the end Croatia won. But if you look the one with France you will see many are calling them out.

Oh and the Anglo media are disgusting arrogant. They really believe England is a power house and even dare to compare it with Croatia LOL


Oh, it's this shit again. :roll:

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Postby Yaana Noore » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:17 pm

Why do people keep using Anglo like it is some sort of insult, is it the new hip slur the kids are using these days?

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Postby Geisenfried » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:09 pm

Riemstagrad wrote:So let's return to the topic!

What is your favourite goal?

For me it's the 3-2 in Belgium - Japan. The goal is on the account of Nacer Chadli but it's the complete deadly counter that made this one so good: in only 10 seconds from Courtois, who grabbed the ball on a Japanese corner, all the way to Chadli pushing in an impossible to miss goal. With De Bruyne's clear sight, Meuniers perfect last pass and Romelu Lukaku first luring away 2 Japanese defenders, then his dummy to leave the ball to Chadli. And all that only 13 seconds before the end of extra time. And after being at 0-2 in minute 60...

Some other great goals:

Ronaldo vs Spain,
Lingard vs Tunisia
Trippier vs Croatia
Kroos vs Sweden


I'm biased, but I gotta give it to Kroos v. Sweden. The single, solitary highlight of being a German fan this entire cup, it was a beautiful goal.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:18 pm

Soviet-mongol wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And you base this accusation on what?

Because Cakir tolerated Anglos comitting fauls whereas he always sanctioned croatian ones. I remember he refused to use VAR on England at the end of first half. I stand by my assertion that England is an average and mediocre team and that Russia would easily defeat them.

Also Henry Kane got the Golden Bot aware which is a joke. Half of his scored goals comes from the penalties

Harry Kane, Golden Boot, and PKs are still goals for that matter. He was used in that situation just like Griezmann is their main PK guy. Even without those penalty goals, he still would have three, which is still very good.

Even if the refs had some sort of bias, teams should be good enough to overcome that. Croatia did against England, winning 2-1 in extra time.
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Postby Esternial » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:32 pm

Sharania wrote:
Soviet-mongol wrote:France just like England in the match before did not beat Croatia fair and square. They have had help from the biased refs, corrupt Fifa and international Football mafia. Every neutral observer who understand football rules unilateraly agrees Croatia is robbed. France may won on paper but it was cheating


France most definitely deserved to WIN – just as Croatia most definitely deserved to LOSE. It’s a sign of new, more hopeful times - to the horror of all reactionaries.

Croatia’s (just like Poland's – and Russia's) team is entirely made up of white players, most of whom make their living playing for the country’s domestic league. The Top-Tier World Cup teams are not only ethnically diverse, but are stocked with players who ply their trade outside their home countries, in the world’s most watched, most-competitive and highest-paying leagues: the English Premier League, Spain’s La Liga, and Germany’s Bundesliga.

As for some poster here saying all Slavs were cheering for Croatia – well, I guess they (the poster) know better, being Slav themselves. To support white-only team over multi-ethnic one – exactly this kind of nativist behavior one might expect from them.

Bro, France's players are all French - that's the point. Where does race factor into this?

Kroatia may be not as ethically diverse as some other European countries but claiming they didn't "deserve" to win because of that is just pulling irrelevant politics into football.

Jesus Christ.

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Postby Shofercia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:02 pm

Sharania wrote:
Soviet-mongol wrote:France just like England in the match before did not beat Croatia fair and square. They have had help from the biased refs, corrupt Fifa and international Football mafia. Every neutral observer who understand football rules unilateraly agrees Croatia is robbed. France may won on paper but it was cheating


France most definitely deserved to WIN – just as Croatia most definitely deserved to LOSE. It’s a sign of new, more hopeful times - to the horror of all reactionaries.

Croatia’s (just like Poland's – and Russia's) team is entirely made up of white players, most of whom make their living playing for the country’s domestic league. The Top-Tier World Cup teams are not only ethnically diverse, but are stocked with players who ply their trade outside their home countries, in the world’s most watched, most-competitive and highest-paying leagues: the English Premier League, Spain’s La Liga, and Germany’s Bundesliga.

As for some poster here saying all Slavs were cheering for Croatia – well, I guess they (the poster) know better, being Slav themselves. To support white-only team over multi-ethnic one – exactly this kind of nativist behavior one might expect from them.


Purely "white" Russian, Alexander Samedov:

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And as we all know, Mario Fernandez is truly an ethnically Russian name. Mario's almost as common as Ivan in Russia /sarcasm

There was virtually no racism in the World Cup, Sharania. Stop trying to pretend otherwise.
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Postby Nimzonia » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:27 am

Outer Sparta wrote:Even if the refs had some sort of bias, teams should be good enough to overcome that. Croatia did against England, winning 2-1 in extra time.


These comments about referee bias have nothing to do with the football - Soviet-mongol obviously just has an axe to grind with "Anglos" and the world cup is always a good opportunity for anyone of that ilk to spew anglophobic bile for a few weeks. England having their best world cup in 3 decades has not gone down well with these people.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:29 am

Esternial wrote:
Sharania wrote:
France most definitely deserved to WIN – just as Croatia most definitely deserved to LOSE. It’s a sign of new, more hopeful times - to the horror of all reactionaries.

Croatia’s (just like Poland's – and Russia's) team is entirely made up of white players, most of whom make their living playing for the country’s domestic league. The Top-Tier World Cup teams are not only ethnically diverse, but are stocked with players who ply their trade outside their home countries, in the world’s most watched, most-competitive and highest-paying leagues: the English Premier League, Spain’s La Liga, and Germany’s Bundesliga.

As for some poster here saying all Slavs were cheering for Croatia – well, I guess they (the poster) know better, being Slav themselves. To support white-only team over multi-ethnic one – exactly this kind of nativist behavior one might expect from them.

Bro, France's players are all French - that's the point. Where does race factor into this?

Kroatia may be not as ethically diverse as some other European countries but claiming they didn't "deserve" to win because of that is just pulling irrelevant politics into football.

Jesus Christ.


As a supporter of France, I don't object to this kind of tactic, so long as the logic comes out in favour of France.

I'm sure that racial diversity played a role in bolstering French morale (the idea that they represented a progressive, more inclusive future world). So there's some truth to it.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:42 am

Esternial wrote:
Sharania wrote:
France most definitely deserved to WIN – just as Croatia most definitely deserved to LOSE. It’s a sign of new, more hopeful times - to the horror of all reactionaries.

Croatia’s (just like Poland's – and Russia's) team is entirely made up of white players, most of whom make their living playing for the country’s domestic league. The Top-Tier World Cup teams are not only ethnically diverse, but are stocked with players who ply their trade outside their home countries, in the world’s most watched, most-competitive and highest-paying leagues: the English Premier League, Spain’s La Liga, and Germany’s Bundesliga.

As for some poster here saying all Slavs were cheering for Croatia – well, I guess they (the poster) know better, being Slav themselves. To support white-only team over multi-ethnic one – exactly this kind of nativist behavior one might expect from them.

Bro, France's players are all French - that's the point. Where does race factor into this?

Kroatia may be not as ethically diverse as some other European countries but claiming they didn't "deserve" to win because of that is just pulling irrelevant politics into football.

Jesus Christ.


Indeed. Ideally the ethnic makeup of a country's football team should reflect said country's total ethnic makeup. However, socio economic factors, well outside the influence of the selecting coach, can make people from certain backgrounds more likely to pursue a career in football.

And the coach simply selects the best players for the positions available.

So there is something to be said here, but it is not racism on part of either of the teams. It's socio economic factors, but that is beyond the scope of this thread.
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Postby Risottia » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:11 am

Esternial wrote:Bro, France's players are all French - that's the point. Where does race factor into this?

Kroatia may be not as ethically diverse as some other European countries but claiming they didn't "deserve" to win because of that is just pulling irrelevant politics into football.

Jesus Christ.

It's just exactly like Salvini and his Nazi pals supporting Croatia because they have no "immigrants" in their team. Only on the other side.
Rather sad, both sides.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:49 am

Anyone tempted to fly over to France right now and celebrate with the Parisians?

In the last World Cup, I was fortunate enough to have been travelling through France and Belgium...

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:54 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:Anyone tempted to fly over to France right now and celebrate with the Parisians?

In the last World Cup, I was fortunate enough to have been travelling through France and Belgium...


Nah, not flying, marching through :)
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:19 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Anyone tempted to fly over to France right now and celebrate with the Parisians?

In the last World Cup, I was fortunate enough to have been travelling through France and Belgium...


Nah, not flying, marching through :)


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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:17 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
Nah, not flying, marching through :)


You good sheep, have been in Germany a little to long. Brown wool doesn't suit you.


But it's Hugo Boss :(
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:22 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
Nah, not flying, marching through :)


You good sheep, have been in Germany a little to long. Brown wool doesn't suit you.


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Postby Conoga » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:39 am

Riemstagrad wrote:What is your favourite goal?

For me it's the 3-2 in Belgium - Japan. The goal is on the account of Nacer Chadli but it's the complete deadly counter that made this one so good: in only 10 seconds from Courtois, who grabbed the ball on a Japanese corner, all the way to Chadli pushing in an impossible to miss goal. With De Bruyne's clear sight, Meuniers perfect last pass and Romelu Lukaku first luring away 2 Japanese defenders, then his dummy to leave the ball to Chadli. And all that only 13 seconds before the end of extra time. And after being at 0-2 in minute 60...

Some other great goals:

Ronaldo vs Spain,
Lingard vs Tunisia
Trippier vs Croatia
Kroos vs Sweden
So many great ones!
I think Cheryshev's goal against Croatia deserves a mention. It was really cool seeing Mbappé scoring in the final, too.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:50 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
You good sheep, have been in Germany a little to long. Brown wool doesn't suit you.


But it's Hugo Boss :(

Say what you will about those Nazi's, they were snazzy dressers.

Has Hugo boss ever designed a world cup uniform?
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Postby Riemstagrad » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:51 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:Forgot to save the last poll results before setting up the new poll.

Drat.



Damn... Now we have to do the whole world cup again... Looking forward to Spain-Portugal...

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Postby Shofercia » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:14 pm

Conoga wrote:
Riemstagrad wrote:What is your favourite goal?

For me it's the 3-2 in Belgium - Japan. The goal is on the account of Nacer Chadli but it's the complete deadly counter that made this one so good: in only 10 seconds from Courtois, who grabbed the ball on a Japanese corner, all the way to Chadli pushing in an impossible to miss goal. With De Bruyne's clear sight, Meuniers perfect last pass and Romelu Lukaku first luring away 2 Japanese defenders, then his dummy to leave the ball to Chadli. And all that only 13 seconds before the end of extra time. And after being at 0-2 in minute 60...

Some other great goals:

Ronaldo vs Spain,
Lingard vs Tunisia
Trippier vs Croatia
Kroos vs Sweden


So many great ones!
I think Cheryshev's goal against Croatia deserves a mention. It was really cool seeing Mbappé scoring in the final, too.


Cheryshev's goal was a beauty! I also loved Messi's goal.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:46 pm

Riemstagrad wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Forgot to save the last poll results before setting up the new poll.

Drat.



Damn... Now we have to do the whole world cup again... Looking forward to Spain-Portugal...


This does not go far enough.

We also need to redo the qualifications.
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Postby Relikai » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:27 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Well, I suppose it's fair to note that England definitely didn't beat Croatia fair and square.

Largely because England lost.


Despite England losing, they have some of my respect because for the most part they played very clean and very fair. Aside from their lack of energy in the third place game... they've displayed a warrior spirit throughout. They played fair and they fought with honour. The same can't be said of some of the other teams (I'm looking at you Croatia, Australia, Brazil etc)


Yeah by passing the ball back to their defenders who became the playmakers of a stale Championship-level playing team kekek. Warrior Spirit by playing extremely boring football that people only straighten up when their opponents get the ball.

Even Panama played with more heart than a dumb PEngland team.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:33 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Well, I suppose it's fair to note that England definitely didn't beat Croatia fair and square.

Largely because England lost.


Despite England losing, they have some of my respect because for the most part they played very clean and very fair. Aside from their lack of energy in the third place game... they've displayed a warrior spirit throughout. They played fair and they fought with honour. The same can't be said of some of the other teams (I'm looking at you Croatia, Australia, Brazil etc)

They got some good stars to build around. They got the penalty monkey off their backs. They seemed to falter in the semi-finals when they took the lead and didn't seem to build upon that apart from a missed opportunity by Kane.
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