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2018 FIFA World Cup Megathread

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World Cup?

Great World Cup!
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Good World Cup!
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Meh
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Bad World Cup!
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Awful World Cup!
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Total votes : 48

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Sharania
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Postby Sharania » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:15 am

World Cup 2018: The Moral Clarity of Pussy Riot’s Protest

On Sunday, in the fifty-second minute of the final game of the World Cup, four women dressed in Russian-police uniforms charged the field, briefly disrupting the match. They were members of the Russian protest-art group Pussy Riot.

Pussy Riot is often misidentified as a punk group, which is, in fact, only one of its many guises. The group, which was founded in 2011, is an open-membership collective that stages actions, documents them on video, and provides textual statements intended as clear and accessible explanations of their intentions and demands. The group’s best-known action was what they called a “punk prayer,” in which a group of women attempted to sing a political prayer of their own making inside the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, in Moscow, in the lead-up to Russia’s 2012 Presidential election. The performance was meant to protest the country’s symbiosis of church and state. As a result, two of the group’s founding members served twenty-two months in prison.

Pussy Riot released a statement, on Twitter, that claimed responsibility for the World Cup action. It also cited the Russian poet, artist, and performer Dmitri Aleksandrovich Prigov. Tomorrow will mark eleven years since his death. One of Prigov’s iconic creations, present in his poetry and performances, was the image of an ideal policeman, a just and ultimate authority that Pussy Riot’s statement dubbed the Heavenly Policeman. In contrast to the Heavenly Policeman, the statement suggested, stands the earthly policeman. “The Heavenly Policeman will protect a baby in her sleep, while the earthly policeman persecutes political prisoners and jails people for sharing and liking posts on social media.” (I am providing my own translation from the Russian original.)

The message is not intended to be subtle. In Putin’s Russia, dozens of people are behind bars for political crimes—which do in fact include social-media behavior such as “liking” and “sharing.” Unlike the 2014 Olympics, in Sochi, where Pussy Riot also protested, the World Cup has occasioned little criticism or reflection from Western politicians or media. It has proceeded undisturbed, as though a Heavenly Policeman were guarding its dreamlike state. For Russians, whose cities have filled with crowds of foreign soccer fans over the past few weeks, it has also provided a vision of a different life, one of a country integrated into a big and friendly world. “The World Cup has reminded us of the possibility of a Heavenly Policeman in a wonderful Russia of the future,” the Pussy Riot statement said. “But the earthly policeman, who intervenes in the game every day and knows no rules, is destroying our world.”

The four women, by taking the field, demonstrated exactly how that happens: the beautiful world of sport has its bubble punctured by people running and flailing haphazardly, intent on destruction. The group’s statement concluded with a list of demands:

1. Free all political prisoners.

2. Stop jailing people for social-media “likes.”

3. Stop illegal arrests at protests.

4. Allow political competition.

5. Stop fabricating criminal cases and putting people in jail for no reason.

6. Turn the earthly policeman into a Heavenly Policeman.


And so Pussy Riot became the only people to make a meaningful statement about Russian politics during the World Cup— and it came on the eve of Vladimir Putin’s triumphant meeting with Donald Trump. They also created, on one of the biggest stages in the world, an image of unjust and arbitrary authority, the sort with which a hundred and forty-five million Russians live day to day.
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The Grims
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Postby The Grims » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:22 am

Speaking of riots: it seems that burning cars is once again the method of choice to celebrate in Paris.

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Soviet-mongol
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Postby Soviet-mongol » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:52 am

France just like England in the match before did not beat Croatia fair and square. They have had help from the biased refs, corrupt Fifa and international Football mafia. Every neutral observer who understand football rules unilateraly agrees Croatia is robbed. France may won on paper but it was cheating

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Postby Purpelia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:54 am


If by moral clarity they mean clearly morally abhorrent than yes. Interrupting an event such as this for the purposes of political activism is nothing short of sacrilegious and disrespectfully and I hope they throw the book at them. Politics has no place in entertainment just as entertainment has no place in politics.

Soviet-mongol wrote:France just like England in the match before did not beat Croatia fair and square. They have had help from the biased refs, corrupt Fifa and international Football mafia. Every neutral observer who understand football rules unilateraly agrees Croatia is robbed. France may won on paper but it was cheating

Your statement tells me that you did not watch the game. France won fairly and justly.
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The above post contains hyperbole, metaphoric language, embellishment and exaggeration. It may also include badly translated figures of speech and misused idioms. Analyze accordingly.

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Postby Risottia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:03 am

Purpelia wrote:
Risottia wrote:A nonviolent pitch invasion is hardly hooliganism.

It most definitively is hooliganism. I hope they throw the book at them for this.

No.

THIS is football hooliganism. I chose tame examples, by the way, no one getting knifed or shot to death in these fights.
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Postby Risottia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:09 am

Soviet-mongol wrote:France just like England in the match before did not beat Croatia fair and square. They have had help from the biased refs, corrupt Fifa and international Football mafia. Every neutral observer who understand football rules unilateraly agrees Croatia is robbed. France may won on paper but it was cheating


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Postby Purpelia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:16 am

Risottia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:It most definitively is hooliganism. I hope they throw the book at them for this.

No.

THIS is football hooliganism. I chose tame examples, by the way, no one getting knifed or shot to death in these fights.

Same difference. Political activism has no place in sports or entertainment just as they have no place in politics.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



The above post contains hyperbole, metaphoric language, embellishment and exaggeration. It may also include badly translated figures of speech and misused idioms. Analyze accordingly.

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Soviet-mongol
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Postby Soviet-mongol » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:19 am

Purpelia wrote:[
Your statement tells me that you did not watch the game. France won fairly and justly.

On contrary. We who understand truely football have notice the dive of Griezmann and many other things. Peter schmeichel agrees with me as well

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Soviet-mongol
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Postby Soviet-mongol » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:21 am

The Grims wrote:Speaking of riots: it seems that burning cars is once again the method of choice to celebrate in Paris.

That is because of rapant racism in France. The discriminated youth of color protests the french government. Interestingly there was no riots in Croatia not even the burning of cars or similar shit
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:29 am

Soviet-mongol wrote:
The Grims wrote:Speaking of riots: it seems that burning cars is once again the method of choice to celebrate in Paris.

That is because of rapant racism in France. The discriminated youth of color protests the french government. Interestingly there was no riots in Croatia not even the burning of cars or similar shit


Are you going straight back down this road again?
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Soviet-mongol
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Postby Soviet-mongol » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:30 am

Bombadil wrote:
Soviet-mongol wrote:That is because of rapant racism in France. The discriminated youth of color protests the french government. Interestingly there was no riots in Croatia not even the burning of cars or similar shit


Are you going straight back down this road again?

Do you have a better explaination why they riot?

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:32 am

Soviet-mongol wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Are you going straight back down this road again?

Do you have a better explaination why they riot?


They're French.

That's what they do.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:33 am

Soviet-mongol wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Are you going straight back down this road again?

Do you have a better explaination why they riot?


I'm just saying painting entire nations hasn't worked out for you but if you want to take a match and use it to stereotype a nation then keep going..
Eldest, that's what I am...Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn...he knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless — before the Dark Lord came from Outside..

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Soviet-mongol
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Postby Soviet-mongol » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:34 am

I would post a a live picture from Zagrebs main square but dont know how to uploads picture on this forum. The players will came any minute.

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:59 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Soviet-mongol wrote:Do you have a better explaination why they riot?


They're French.

That's what they do.

I mean, pretty much every nation does. It's a human thing.

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Yaana Noore
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Postby Yaana Noore » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:22 am

Soviet-mongol wrote:
The Grims wrote:Speaking of riots: it seems that burning cars is once again the method of choice to celebrate in Paris.

That is because of rapant racism in France. The discriminated youth of color protests the french government. Interestingly there was no riots in Croatia not even the burning of cars or similar shit

Why does it feel like every post you make you are just itching for a political debate or one on race rather than talking football?

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Postby Risottia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:24 am

Purpelia wrote:
Risottia wrote:No.

THIS is football hooliganism. I chose tame examples, by the way, no one getting knifed or shot to death in these fights.

Same difference.

Yes, watching three people run on a pitch is exactly the same thing as having your head smashed with a crowbar. :roll:
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Postby Risottia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:26 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Soviet-mongol wrote:Do you have a better explaination why they riot?


They're French.

That's what they do.

That, and wearing striped shirts while cycling and holding a baguette under the armpit. :lol:
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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:28 am

Soviet-mongol wrote:France just like England in the match before did not beat Croatia fair and square.


Well, I suppose it's fair to note that England definitely didn't beat Croatia fair and square.

Largely because England lost.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:48 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Soviet-mongol wrote:France just like England in the match before did not beat Croatia fair and square.


Well, I suppose it's fair to note that England definitely didn't beat Croatia fair and square.

Largely because England lost.


Despite England losing, they have some of my respect because for the most part they played very clean and very fair. Aside from their lack of energy in the third place game... they've displayed a warrior spirit throughout. They played fair and they fought with honour. The same can't be said of some of the other teams (I'm looking at you Croatia, Australia, Brazil etc)

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Postby Purpelia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:30 am

Alvecia wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
They're French.

That's what they do.

I mean, pretty much every nation does. It's a human thing.

Yea but France does have a history. And frankly that should newer change as some of the brightest moments of western civilization have been born of French rioting.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



The above post contains hyperbole, metaphoric language, embellishment and exaggeration. It may also include badly translated figures of speech and misused idioms. Analyze accordingly.

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:38 am

Purpelia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:I mean, pretty much every nation does. It's a human thing.

Yea but France does have a history. And frankly that should newer change as some of the brightest moments of western civilization have been born of French rioting.

Again, the first two examples my mind springs to (the UK and America) have something of a history of rioting as well. Pretty sure Spain have had their fair share over the Calatonia mess. Greece had a bunch in 08, Russia has had some rather noteable ones historically.

Type in any country followed by the word "riots" into google and you're bound to find something.

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Postby Purpelia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:48 am

Alvecia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Yea but France does have a history. And frankly that should newer change as some of the brightest moments of western civilization have been born of French rioting.

Again, the first two examples my mind springs to (the UK and America) have something of a history of rioting as well. Pretty sure Spain have had their fair share over the Calatonia mess. Greece had a bunch in 08, Russia has had some rather noteable ones historically.

Type in any country followed by the word "riots" into google and you're bound to find something.

Well sure, but how many nations had riots that literally changed the face of the planet forever for the better?
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



The above post contains hyperbole, metaphoric language, embellishment and exaggeration. It may also include badly translated figures of speech and misused idioms. Analyze accordingly.

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:59 am

Purpelia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Again, the first two examples my mind springs to (the UK and America) have something of a history of rioting as well. Pretty sure Spain have had their fair share over the Calatonia mess. Greece had a bunch in 08, Russia has had some rather noteable ones historically.

Type in any country followed by the word "riots" into google and you're bound to find something.

Well sure, but how many nations had riots that literally changed the face of the planet forever for the better?

Well, I mean, quite a few I imagine, only France's one didn't turn into a civil war.

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Postby Purpelia » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:05 am

Alvecia wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Well sure, but how many nations had riots that literally changed the face of the planet forever for the better?

Well, I mean, quite a few I imagine, only France's one didn't turn into a civil war.

But it did unfortunately help the one I imagine you are talking about. That's really the only bad legacy of the French Revolution. Everything else like the undermining of European absolute monarchies, the reshaping of continental maps, spread of the metric system and really everything that came from the republic and the following Napoleonic wars was a good thing.
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



The above post contains hyperbole, metaphoric language, embellishment and exaggeration. It may also include badly translated figures of speech and misused idioms. Analyze accordingly.

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