2018 FIFA World Cup Megathread

[Shofercia]

Maybe take the troglodyte nationalist BS to another thread, no?

This isn't the thread for salty nationalism. Bring that shit somewhere else.

Edit - Imagine Ozil or Khedirea doing some Turkish thingy against the Greeks should they score. Condemnation is to be expected.

That's kind of the point. I only responded tangentially when he told me to apologize for some bullshit that never happened; otherwise my point was/is that politics has no place in sports. If this keeps up, I'll create a separate Kosovo thread. Probably should've done that right away, but I'm lazy

[Relikai]

Maybe take the troglodyte nationalist BS to another thread, no?

This isn't the thread for salty nationalism. Bring that shit somewhere else.

Edit - Imagine Ozil or Khedirea doing some Turkish thingy against the Greeks should they score. Condemnation is to be expected.

That's kind of the point. I only responded tangentially when he told me to apologize for some bullshit that never happened; otherwise my point was/is that politics has no place in sports. If this keeps up, I'll create a separate Kosovo thread. Probably should've done that right away, but I'm lazy

Just ignore the salty troll. Any more and the mods would just place him on moderation for going off-topic anyway.

[True Alimeria]

They're playing for Switzerland, not Kosovo. Essentially, they're using FIFA to broadcast their cheap shot propaganda to millions of viewers, whereas had they been playing for Kosovo, they would've gotten a few thousand.

They're Swiss and they're Kosovan. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. Your second sentence is just, as I said before, more Serb bullshit. Go apologize for ethnic cleansing somewhere else.

Because international sports isn't a place to express your political bullshit. FIFA has specific rules against that. They were invited to play by FIFA. Without FIFA, they wouldn't have had millions of viewers, because, to be frank, they ain't that good. Had VAR administrators actually performed their damn jobs, Serbia would've won, and they would've continued on with their insignificant existence.

lol you seem mad :^)

Yesterday at night, Serbian fans went out in Vienna chanting "Noz, Zica, Srebrenica!" (Knife, Wire, Srebrenica!), a slogan that glorifies the Bosnian Genocide in Srebrenica.
They also chanted "Ubi ubi, siptara!" (Kill the Albanian!), just letting their frustation about the lost game out.
There are also photos of Serbian wearing shirts with war criminal Sratko Mladic, who conducted the Genocide and has recently been sentenced for life, circling around on the Internet. A * war criminal. In Sports.
My question: What the fuk has the match between Switzerland and Serbia to do with the Bosnian War?

But NOO, these poor poor Serbs, they aren't causing problems, they DINDU NOTHING, EEEVERYONE is against them for NOO reason. Crying genocide Slogans is just a normal expression for national pride duhhh, who the fk cares about genocide. But LOOK at these Albanians!!
Then there are people like this guy who have nothing else to do but having the nerves to make shit up and say "Anti-Serb Propaganda". Propaganda!
As if they are the only people treated unfairly, no, not only treated unfairly, but frikin Propaganda against them!

Who the hell are you fooling?

[MERIZoC]

Maybe take the troglodyte nationalist BS to another thread, no?

This isn't the thread for salty nationalism. Bring that shit somewhere else.

Edit - Imagine Ozil or Khedirea doing some Turkish thingy against the Greeks should they score. Condemnation is to be expected.

That's kind of the point. I only responded tangentially when he told me to apologize for some bullshit that never happened; otherwise my point was/is that politics has no place in sports. If this keeps up, I'll create a separate Kosovo thread. Probably should've done that right away, but I'm lazy

Sports is 100% politics and anyone who thinks otherwise is completely naive. You claim to have so much attachment to Russia but your americanness really shows when you say that.

[Fartsniffage]

Maybe take the troglodyte nationalist BS to another thread, no?

I'm just salty because the Home Nations always end up in wrangles about fines for wearing a poppy in games around November but FIFA always seems to give other nations a pass.

Make the Swiss have to fuck around in the sports arbitration courts for a change.

[The South Falls]

Kros is MVP for Germany. If they make it out, he kept them alive.

[Shofercia]

FIFA has rules. They signed contracts with FIFA. They broke the contracts they signed. Ergo, they can get punished. It isn't a hard concept to grasp. They can represent Kosovo on their own time, not on FIFA's time. If I'm working, and being paid, I don't get to go on a rant at work, and then claim that it was tangentially related, so that I'm not punished for my rant.

And they won't be punished lol. Stay mad. Fuck Serbia.

Oh, they'll be punished. If not by FIFA, then by the fans. FIFA punishing them would be FIFA doing them a favor.

That's kind of the point. I only responded tangentially when he told me to apologize for some bullshit that never happened; otherwise my point was/is that politics has no place in sports. If this keeps up, I'll create a separate Kosovo thread. Probably should've done that right away, but I'm lazy

Sports is 100% politics and anyone who thinks otherwise is completely naive. You claim to have so much attachment to Russia but your americanness really shows when you say that.

Erm, the US is the one that bombed Belgrade, a civilian target, and Russia's the one that moved soldiers to prevent further bombing of Serb civilians. Did you miss that?

As for sports being 100% politics, how'd that work out for the NFL? How's that working out for ESPN? Did you notice how big the American Flag was for the Superbowl? It was yuge! Those who bring politics into sports will attract the wrath of fans, no matter what their policies are, and, as a result, their causes are likely to suffer.

[MERIZoC]

And they won't be punished lol. Stay mad. Fuck Serbia.

Oh, they'll be punished. If not by FIFA, then by the fans. FIFA punishing them would be FIFA doing them a favor.

Hoping for violence, classy.

Sports is 100% politics and anyone who thinks otherwise is completely naive. You claim to have so much attachment to Russia but your americanness really shows when you say that.

Erm, the US is the one that bombed Belgrade, a civilian target, and Russia's the one that moved soldiers to prevent further bombing of Serb civilians. Did you miss that?

As for sports being 100% politics, how'd that work out for the NFL? How's that working out for ESPN? Did you notice how big the American Flag was for the Superbowl? It was yuge! Those who bring politics into sports will attract the wrath of fans, no matter what their policies are, and, as a result, their causes are likely to suffer.

Are you ok?

[Shofercia]

They're Swiss and they're Kosovan. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. Your second sentence is just, as I said before, more Serb bullshit. Go apologize for ethnic cleansing somewhere else.


lol you seem mad :^)

Yesterday at night, Serbian fans went out in Vienna chanting "Noz, Zica, Srebrenica!" (Knife, Wire, Srebrenica!), a slogan that glorifies the Bosnian Genocide in Srebrenica.
They also chanted "Ubi ubi, siptara!" (Kill the Albanian!), just letting their frustation about the lost game out.
There are also photos of Serbian wearing shirts with war criminal Sratko Mladic, who conducted the Genocide and has recently been sentenced for life, circling around on the Internet. A * war criminal. In Sports.
My question: What the fuk has the match between Switzerland and Serbia to do with Bosnians?

But NOO, these poor poor Serbs, they aren't causing problems, they DINDU NOTHING, EEEVERYONE is against them for NOO reason. Crying genocide Slogans is just a normal expression for national pride duhhh, who the fk cares about genocide. But LOOK at these Albanians!!
Then there are people like this guy who have nothing else to do but having the nerves to make shit up and say "Anti-Serb Propaganda". Propaganda!
As if they are the only people treated unfairly, no, not only treated unfairly, but frikin Propaganda against them!

Who the hell are you fooling?

You're the one who brought Bosnia into this with Zlatan's quote. Now you're feigning outrage, based on what sounds like it came straight from Alex Jones' channel, and wondering why we're talking about Bosnia. We're not. You are.

Oh, they'll be punished. If not by FIFA, then by the fans. FIFA punishing them would be FIFA doing them a favor.

Hoping for violence, classy.

Violence? Did the fans beat up Colin Kaepernick? I don't recall that happening. Care to try again, but with something even remotely realistic this time?

Erm, the US is the one that bombed Belgrade, a civilian target, and Russia's the one that moved soldiers to prevent further bombing of Serb civilians. Did you miss that?

As for sports being 100% politics, how'd that work out for the NFL? How's that working out for ESPN? Did you notice how big the American Flag was for the Superbowl? It was yuge! Those who bring politics into sports will attract the wrath of fans, no matter what their policies are, and, as a result, their causes are likely to suffer.

Are you ok?

Yes. Thank you for your concern.

[Lillorainen]

This isn't the thread for salty nationalism. Bring that shit somewhere else.

Edit - Imagine Ozil or Khedirea doing some Turkish thingy against the Greeks should they score. Condemnation is to be expected.

Özil still refuses to sing the German national anthem. Not to mention that Erdogan thing with him and Ilkay Gündogan.

They're Swiss and they're Kosovan. This isn't a hard concept to grasp. Your second sentence is just, as I said before, more Serb bullshit. Go apologize for ethnic cleansing somewhere else.


lol you seem mad :^)

Yesterday at night, Serbian fans went out in Vienna chanting "Noz, Zica, Srebrenica!" (Knife, Wire, Srebrenica!), a slogan that glorifies the Bosnian Genocide in Srebrenica.
They also chanted "Ubi ubi, siptara!" (Kill the Albanian!), just letting their frustation about the lost game out.
There are also photos of Serbian wearing shirts with war criminal Sratko Mladic, who conducted the Genocide and has recently been sentenced for life, circling around on the Internet.
My question: What the fuk has the match between Switzerland and Serbia to do with Bosnians?

But NOO, these poor poor Serbs, they aren't causing problems, they DINDU NOTHING, EEEVERYONE is against them for NOO reason. Crying genocide Slogans is just a normal expression for national pride duhhh, who the fk cares about genocide. But LOOK at these Albanians!!
Then there are people like this guy who have nothing else to do but having the nerves to make shit up and say "Anti-Serb Propaganda". Propaganda!
As if they are the only people treated unfairly, no, not only treated unfairly, but frikin Propaganda against them!

Who the hell are you fooling?

"Sratko Mladić" ... I like that pun, to be honest.
I, as a German of Serbian origin, oppose any actions like these, whatever they are about. It doesn't matter what they say. I oppose Serbian nationalism too. Also, my honest opinion on Milošević is some of the things I can't express accurately on a forum that is supposed to be PG-13.
Special info for you, as you appear slightly triggered to me - one of my best friends used to be Kosovo Albanian.
To your question - it's because Swiss players as well as Swiss people themselves have their roots in Kosovo a lot (and it's even nothing about BiH). It could have been expected that something like this would happen.

But this topic isn't about politics in the Balkans. It's about soccer. And I believe that politics shouldn't play any role in it - and it should be free of propaganda. It's a game, and it's supposed to be fun, period.

[True Alimeria]

Yesterday at night, Serbian fans went out in Vienna chanting "Noz, Zica, Srebrenica!" (Knife, Wire, Srebrenica!), a slogan that glorifies the Bosnian Genocide in Srebrenica.
They also chanted "Ubi ubi, siptara!" (Kill the Albanian!), just letting their frustation about the lost game out.
There are also photos of Serbian wearing shirts with war criminal Sratko Mladic, who conducted the Genocide and has recently been sentenced for life, circling around on the Internet. A * war criminal. In Sports.
My question: What the fuk has the match between Switzerland and Serbia to do with Bosnians?

But NOO, these poor poor Serbs, they aren't causing problems, they DINDU NOTHING, EEEVERYONE is against them for NOO reason. Crying genocide Slogans is just a normal expression for national pride duhhh, who the fk cares about genocide. But LOOK at these Albanians!!
Then there are people like this guy who have nothing else to do but having the nerves to make shit up and say "Anti-Serb Propaganda". Propaganda!
As if they are the only people treated unfairly, no, not only treated unfairly, but frikin Propaganda against them!

Who the hell are you fooling?

You're the one who brought Bosnia into this with Zlatan's quote. Now you're feigning outrage, based on what sounds like it came straight from Alex Jones' channel, and wondering why we're talking about Bosnia. We're not. You are.

Hey liar listen,

I didn't want to make any point with my Zlatan quote at all.
I just noticed your profile signature, thought no wonder why someone like him gets mad when Kosovo is mentioned,
and noticed that this is why you are intentionally attempting to victimize Serbs here. Writing about propaganda against Serbs.

You have the nerves to say the word Propaganda, to make this small incident into a big issue. Serbs are faaar from being victims.

Also don't try to twist what I wrote about Bosnia, you don't have to read it again. I made a clear point.

[True Alimeria]

This isn't the thread for salty nationalism. Bring that shit somewhere else.

Edit - Imagine Ozil or Khedirea doing some Turkish thingy against the Greeks should they score. Condemnation is to be expected.

Özil still refuses to sing the German national anthem. Not to mention that Erdogan thing with him and Ilkay Gündogan.

Yesterday at night, Serbian fans went out in Vienna chanting "Noz, Zica, Srebrenica!" (Knife, Wire, Srebrenica!), a slogan that glorifies the Bosnian Genocide in Srebrenica.
They also chanted "Ubi ubi, siptara!" (Kill the Albanian!), just letting their frustation about the lost game out.
There are also photos of Serbian wearing shirts with war criminal Sratko Mladic, who conducted the Genocide and has recently been sentenced for life, circling around on the Internet.
My question: What the fuk has the match between Switzerland and Serbia to do with Bosnians?

But NOO, these poor poor Serbs, they aren't causing problems, they DINDU NOTHING, EEEVERYONE is against them for NOO reason. Crying genocide Slogans is just a normal expression for national pride duhhh, who the fk cares about genocide. But LOOK at these Albanians!!
Then there are people like this guy who have nothing else to do but having the nerves to make shit up and say "Anti-Serb Propaganda". Propaganda!
As if they are the only people treated unfairly, no, not only treated unfairly, but frikin Propaganda against them!

Who the hell are you fooling?

"Sratko Mladić" ... I like that pun, to be honest.
I, as a German of Serbian origin, oppose any actions like these, whatever they are about. It doesn't matter what they say. I oppose Serbian nationalism too. Also, my honest opinion on Milošević is some of the things I can't express accurately on a forum that is supposed to be PG-13.
Special info for you, as you appear slightly triggered to me - one of my best friends used to be Kosovo Albanian.
To your question - it's because Swiss players as well as Swiss people themselves have their roots in Kosovo a lot (and it's even nothing about BiH). It could have been expected that something like this would happen.

But this topic isn't about politics in the Balkans. It's about soccer. And I believe that politics shouldn't play any role in it - and it should be free of propaganda. It's a game, and it's supposed to be fun, period.

Don't take that personally please, it's hard for me deal with stuff like this. I didn't intend to write about these incidents but I can't stand such provocations. I just read Merizocs reply on Shoefercia's post and just wondered what the hell is this guy trying here.

[Fartsniffage]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44586681

Both Serbia and Switzerland being investigated by FIFA. Maybe we leave off the conversation until the investigation is complete? Keep the thread on football about the football rather than events of 2 decades ago?

[Shofercia]

You're the one who brought Bosnia into this with Zlatan's quote. Now you're feigning outrage, based on what sounds like it came straight from Alex Jones' channel, and wondering why we're talking about Bosnia. We're not. You are.

Hey liar listen,

I didn't want to make any point with my Zlatan quote at all.
I just noticed your profile signature, thought no wonder why someone like him gets mad when Kosovo is mentioned,
and noticed that this is why you are intentionally attempting to victimize Serbs here. Writing about propaganda against Serbs.

You have the nerves to say the word Propaganda, to make this small incident into a big issue. Serbs are faaar from being victims.

Also don't try to twist what I wrote about Bosnia, you don't have to read it again. I made a clear point.

Responded here, where it turns out that you're the one who's lying and throwing insults at your fellow posters, so why don't we continue this conversation here, eh? Some shred of decency to one's fellow posters should be shown: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=445543

[Neu Leonstein]

Speaking of football, here's a bit of analysis on Argentina v Croatia: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 11031.html

And here's the situation for Germany going into the last match (via Spiegel):

Germany makes the R16 if

- they beat SK and Sweden doesn't win against Mexico
- they beat SK if Sweden wins against Mexico and the German goal difference is better than that of Mexico or Sweden
- they draw against SK, if Sweden loses to Mexico
- they draw against SK, if Sweden draws against Mexico and the German goal difference is better than that of Sweden
- they lose to SK, if Sweden loses to Mexico and the German goal difference is better than that of Sweden and South Korea

[Lillorainen]

Don't take that personally, it's hard for me deal with stuff like this. I didn't intend to write about these incidents but I can't stand such provocations. I just read Merizocs reply on Shoefercia and just wondered what the hell is this guy trying here.

Don't worry, I don't take that personally. All I wanted was to make sure I'm not being misunderstood.
My personal TL;DR on the wars in ex YU: No one was genuinely innocent, and it was just one big clusterfuck that shouldn't ever occur again. It did nothing but harm the relationships between nations that are so different, yet also that similar to each other.

But again, this thread's about football, or soccer, or whatever you call it. I'd like us all to stick to that. Anything else may be dealt with in a different thread, or via TG. Thanks.

[Fartsniffage]

Speaking of football, here's a bit of analysis on Argentina v Croatia: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 11031.html

And here's the situation for Germany going into the last match (via Spiegel):

Germany makes the R16 if

- they beat SK and Sweden doesn't win against Mexico
- they beat SK if Sweden wins against Mexico and the German goal difference is better than that of Mexico or Sweden
- they draw against SK, if Sweden loses to Mexico
- they draw against SK, if Sweden draws against Mexico and the German goal difference is better than that of Sweden
- they lose to SK, if Sweden loses to Mexico and the German goal difference is better than that of Sweden and South Korea

When was the last time a German paper had to work something like that out?

[Shofercia]

Speaking of football, here's a bit of analysis on Argentina v Croatia: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 11031.html

And here's the situation for Germany going into the last match (via Spiegel):

Germany makes the R16 if

- they beat SK and Sweden doesn't win against Mexico
- they beat SK if Sweden wins against Mexico and the German goal difference is better than that of Mexico or Sweden
- they draw against SK, if Sweden loses to Mexico
- they draw against SK, if Sweden draws against Mexico and the German goal difference is better than that of Sweden
- they lose to SK, if Sweden loses to Mexico and the German goal difference is better than that of Sweden and South Korea

Finally, we're back on topic. So I'm guessing Germany's objective is to score as many goals as possible on South Korea. Got a prediction for the score? Also, looks like my favorite German player, Loris Karius, won't play. Bummer

When was the last time a German paper had to work something like that out?

We might be enjoying this a bit too much

[Lillorainen]

Speaking of football, here's a bit of analysis on Argentina v Croatia: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 11031.html

And here's the situation for Germany going into the last match (via Spiegel):

Germany makes the R16 if

- they beat SK and Sweden doesn't win against Mexico
- they beat SK if Sweden wins against Mexico and the German goal difference is better than that of Mexico or Sweden
- they draw against SK, if Sweden loses to Mexico
- they draw against SK, if Sweden draws against Mexico and the German goal difference is better than that of Sweden
- they lose to SK, if Sweden loses to Mexico and the German goal difference is better than that of Sweden and South Korea

I'm still not convinced Germany will make it - I've already had an extremely bad feeling before this match on Sweden, and they clearly won by luck. Just because I wasn't right before this match doesn't mean I can't be with the one on SK ...

[Baltenstein]

Germany advancing to the knockout stage seems pretty safe now. They only have to win against the group's weakest team whose drop out is pretty much a given anyway.

For Sweden to advance, they have to win against Mexico while Germany simultaneously loses or draws against SK, and that doesn't sound very likely.

[Baltenstein]

Speaking of football, here's a bit of analysis on Argentina v Croatia: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 11031.html

And here's the situation for Germany going into the last match (via Spiegel):

Germany makes the R16 if

- they beat SK and Sweden doesn't win against Mexico
- they beat SK if Sweden wins against Mexico and the German goal difference is better than that of Mexico or Sweden
- they draw against SK, if Sweden loses to Mexico
- they draw against SK, if Sweden draws against Mexico and the German goal difference is better than that of Sweden
- they lose to SK, if Sweden loses to Mexico and the German goal difference is better than that of Sweden and South Korea

I'm still not convinced Germany will make it - I've already had an extremely bad feeling before this match on Sweden, and they clearly won by luck.

I'd rather say they would have lost by bad luck, if indeed they had lost. There were half a dozen times where Germany failed to score by a hair's breadth (like, for example, that one Swedish almost own goal that the Swedish keeper averted by sheer coincidence).

[Neu Leonstein]

Finally, we're back on topic. So I'm guessing Germany's objective is to score as many goals as possible on South Korea. Got a prediction for the score? Also, looks like my favorite German player, Loris Karius, won't play. Bummer

My predictions have been mostly crap (will go through them at the end of the group stage). But I can tell you what I hope: that there's a little more luck with those balls going in early in the match. They again didn't play that well today, and it was obviously very close - Sweden could (probably should) have gotten that penalty and Neuer had a big save right at the end of the first half. But there were also a whole bunch of big chances at the start of the match, start of the second half and then in the closing minutes. Have one or two of those go in, especially early on, and it's a very different game.

[Shofercia]

Germany advancing to the knockout stage seems pretty safe now. They only have to win against the group's weakest team whose drop out is pretty much a given anyway.

For Sweden to advance, they have to win against Mexico while Germany simultaneously loses or draws against SK, and that doesn't sound very likely.

You're wrong Balt. If Sweden beats Mexico by exactly 2 goals, and Germany beats South Korea by just 1 goal, then Germany doesn't qualify.

[Lillorainen]

I'm still not convinced Germany will make it - I've already had an extremely bad feeling before this match on Sweden, and they clearly won by luck.

I'd rather say they would have lost by bad luck, if indeed they had lost. There were half a dozen times where Germany failed to score by a hair's breadth (like, for example, that one Swedish almost own goal that the Swedish keeper averted by sheer coincidence).

Exactly that's it. Germany failed to take their chances, whichof they had more then three (I stopped counting after three) just within the first ten minutes. When watching this, I almost feel reminded of my favorite team in their first league, which went down to the second league. This time it was better, but still not sufficient.

[The South Falls]

Germany advancing to the knockout stage seems pretty safe now. They only have to win against the group's weakest team whose drop out is pretty much a given anyway.

For Sweden to advance, they have to win against Mexico while Germany simultaneously loses or draws against SK, and that doesn't sound very likely.

You're wrong Balt. If Sweden beats Mexico by exactly 2 goals, and Germany beats South Korea by just 1 goal, then Germany doesn't qualify.

Sweden will probably not beat Mexico, not to talk if two goals.