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World Cup?

Great World Cup!
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Good World Cup!
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Meh
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Bad World Cup!
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Awful World Cup!
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Total votes : 48

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Postby DesAnges » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:23 am

Relikai wrote:
DesAnges wrote:I assume you mean focal point, rather than target man? Cause target man is not an adequate description of Timo Werner.


< Cause target man is not an adequate description of Timo Werner. >

Exactly.

Germany performed well with a Target Man. Is Timo Werner the best the country has, perhaps one who plays as a smaller pacey attacker with technique easily snuffed out in a crowded box?

Germany needs steel up front. They have plenty of playmakers, plenty of creativity which did not appear this World Cup. They need steel, raw pace (Sane), and strength to power through a bunch of opponents and exploit space to score in. Diego Costa and Romelu Lukaku are fine examples of what a finesse side needs. The Premier League has shown the world over 3-4 seasons how to force silky sides to the flank in disciplined boxes, and Germany could not power through.

Germany haven't used a target man since Carsten Jancker retired 16 years ago. They won a World Cup 4 years ago with Miroslav Klose up front. They don't need a target man.

What they do need is a striker who actually wants to be in the box, I'll concede there. But hanging around in the penalty area doesn't make someone a target man.

Edit: I suppose you could argue either way on Mario Gomez but I'm inclined to not describe him as such despite his height. He has much more to his game than just being a target man.
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Postby Cryptomypt » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:26 am

Relikai wrote:EDIT : Did Ozil play? Don't recall seeing him on the pitch.

he started. he must've went to take a piss the entire game because i didn't see him either.
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Postby Relikai » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:30 am

DesAnges wrote:
Relikai wrote:
< Cause target man is not an adequate description of Timo Werner. >

Exactly.

Germany performed well with a Target Man. Is Timo Werner the best the country has, perhaps one who plays as a smaller pacey attacker with technique easily snuffed out in a crowded box?

Germany needs steel up front. They have plenty of playmakers, plenty of creativity which did not appear this World Cup. They need steel, raw pace (Sane), and strength to power through a bunch of opponents and exploit space to score in. Diego Costa and Romelu Lukaku are fine examples of what a finesse side needs. The Premier League has shown the world over 3-4 seasons how to force silky sides to the flank in disciplined boxes, and Germany could not power through.

Germany haven't used a target man since Carsten Jancker retired 16 years ago. They won a World Cup 4 years ago with Miroslav Klose up front. They don't need a target man.

What they do need is a striker who actually wants to be in the box, I'll concede there. But hanging around in the penalty area doesn't make someone a target man.


Really? Miroslav Klose is their legitimate target man as identified in his role by plenty of people. Lacking the finesse possessed by Mueller/Ozil/Gotze, he and Podolski were the steel in the past teams, Klose being the one they'd trust to find in the box most of the time.

https://thelaziali.com/2018/03/06/legen ... lav-klose/
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-German-str ... -Messi-are
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2105 ... rds#slide3

Edit - Well, Gomez... Lacks that quality of finishing although he did get shots on target. However, SoTs =/= goals unfortunately for the man. He's like the Olivier Giroud of Germany, but was unable to make an impact when goalies become god-tier against Germany.
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Postby Yaana Noore » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:32 am

Relikai wrote:
DesAnges wrote:I assume you mean focal point, rather than target man? Cause target man is not an adequate description of Timo Werner.


< Cause target man is not an adequate description of Timo Werner. >

Exactly.

Germany performed well with a Target Man. Is Timo Werner the best the country has, perhaps one who plays as a smaller pacey attacker with technique easily snuffed out in a crowded box?

Germany needs steel up front. They have plenty of playmakers, plenty of creativity which did not appear this World Cup. They need steel, raw pace (Sane), and strength to power through a bunch of opponents and exploit space to score in. Diego Costa and Romelu Lukaku are fine examples of what a finesse side needs. The Premier League has shown the world over 3-4 seasons how to force silky sides to the flank in disciplined boxes, and Germany could not power through.

EDIT : Did Ozil play? Don't recall seeing him on the pitch.


Considering Diego Costa is a big reason why they did so poorly in 2014 and is again inhibiting their attack this is rubbish. He inhibits how Spain play. Not even Spanish anyway so should bugger off.

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Postby Relikai » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:35 am

Yaana Noore wrote:
Relikai wrote:
< Cause target man is not an adequate description of Timo Werner. >

Exactly.

Germany performed well with a Target Man. Is Timo Werner the best the country has, perhaps one who plays as a smaller pacey attacker with technique easily snuffed out in a crowded box?

Germany needs steel up front. They have plenty of playmakers, plenty of creativity which did not appear this World Cup. They need steel, raw pace (Sane), and strength to power through a bunch of opponents and exploit space to score in. Diego Costa and Romelu Lukaku are fine examples of what a finesse side needs. The Premier League has shown the world over 3-4 seasons how to force silky sides to the flank in disciplined boxes, and Germany could not power through.

EDIT : Did Ozil play? Don't recall seeing him on the pitch.


Considering Diego Costa is a big reason why they did so poorly in 2014 and is again inhibiting their attack this is rubbish. He inhibits how Spain play. Not even Spanish anyway so should bugger off.



And Klose didn't really shine in Semis/Finals until the 2010 generation matured into winners, and then losers in 2018. Klose should bugger off too from the start I suppose 8)
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Postby DesAnges » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:35 am

Relikai wrote:
DesAnges wrote:Germany haven't used a target man since Carsten Jancker retired 16 years ago. They won a World Cup 4 years ago with Miroslav Klose up front. They don't need a target man.

What they do need is a striker who actually wants to be in the box, I'll concede there. But hanging around in the penalty area doesn't make someone a target man.


Really? Miroslav Klose is their legitimate target man as identified in his role by plenty of people. Lacking the finesse possessed by Mueller/Ozil/Gotze, he and Podolski were the steel in the past teams, Klose being the one they'd trust to find in the box most of the time.

https://thelaziali.com/2018/03/06/legen ... lav-klose/
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-German-str ... -Messi-are
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2105 ... rds#slide3

Edit - Well, Gomez... Lacks that quality of finishing although he did get shots on target. However, SoTs =/= goals unfortunately for the man. He's like the Olivier Giroud of Germany, but was unable to make an impact when goalies become god-tier against Germany.

I'd personally go for the poacher description for Klose with added physicality but I suppose you could argue either way. The Bleacher Report one seems to be using target man as code for focal point anyway.

Neither Diego Costa nor Lukaku are target men, incidentally.

But yeah. Germany will be fine without a target man. What is of more concern is the poor form of senior players.
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Postby Mint Jelly » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:54 am

Nazis in Space wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:Fun fact, all world cup matches of Germany when I was inside Germany were lost by them (I was in NL last weekend).

A SPY!

THE SHEEP IS A SPY!

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And then,....

Give him to me. :twisted:

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Postby HC Eredivisie » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:54 am

Nazis in Space wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:Fun fact, all world cup matches of Germany when I was inside Germany were lost by them (I was in NL last weekend).

A SPY!

THE SHEEP IS A SPY!

SHEAR IT!

Guess Blaat was at home in '74 then. >:(
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Postby Yaana Noore » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:55 am

Relikai wrote:
Yaana Noore wrote:
Considering Diego Costa is a big reason why they did so poorly in 2014 and is again inhibiting their attack this is rubbish. He inhibits how Spain play. Not even Spanish anyway so should bugger off.



And Klose didn't really shine in Semis/Finals until the 2010 generation matured into winners, and then losers in 2018. Klose should bugger off too from the start I suppose 8)

Makes no sense.

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Postby Nazis in Space » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:07 am

HC Eredivisie wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:A SPY!

THE SHEEP IS A SPY!

SHEAR IT!

Guess Blaat was at home in '74 then. >:(

Now, now. You can't blame Blaat for everything.

You also lost the world cup final in '78 and '10, after all.

Just in case you forgot~

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Postby San Regada » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:36 am

1-0 Brazil, 1-0 Switzerland.

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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:39 am

DESTROY THE SERBS

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Postby HC Eredivisie » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:41 am

Nazis in Space wrote:
HC Eredivisie wrote:Guess Blaat was at home in '74 then. >:(

Now, now. You can't blame Blaat for everything.

You also lost the world cup final in '78 and '10, after all.

Just in case you forgot~

Can't remember any German involvement in those finales so no jynxing sheep shenanigans :kiss:
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Postby San Regada » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:42 am

MERIZoC wrote:DESTROY THE SERBS

Great minds think alike :lol:

I prefer Brazil & Switzerland way more... even Costa Rica
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Postby DesAnges » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:51 am

Fuck off Brazil, you Joga Bonito wankers. We need a new winner this time.
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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:55 am

if mexico beat sweden

it wouldnt been mexico and korea going up and sweden and germany eliminated damn
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Postby True Alimeria » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:04 pm

Germany lost and dropped out of World Cup.

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Postby Tobiasia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:11 pm

I don’t care how England does now, we’ve beaten the Germans
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:13 pm

Tobiasia wrote:I don’t care how England does now, we’ve beaten the Germans


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Postby San Regada » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:15 pm

Never saw this coming, but Costa Rica have somehow drawn level... its now Switzerland 1-1 Costa Rica :shock:

This could give Serbia a life line if the Costa Ricans some how put another one in and hold out, but Serbia need to draw with Brazil.

Edit: Nah, based Brazil doubled up their lead now. Brazil 2-0 Serbia. I guess its time to say goodbye to the Serbs.
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Postby DesAnges » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:51 pm

England Belgium to devolve into a mass brawl in order to lose points in the fair play table.
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Postby San Regada » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:53 pm

Costa Rica, just wow! Very impressive performance, they've never really given up. 2-2 was the deserved scoreline.

Anyway, bye bye Serbia.
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Postby San Regada » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:57 pm

What's with the underdogs that are already guaranteed to go home, suddenly turning up against a challenging/superior side in the last game?

Saudi Arabia, Morocco, South Korea, Peru, and now Costa Rica. Here's to hoping that Panama can get something out of the game with Tunisia.
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Postby Tobiasia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:13 pm

San Regada wrote:What's with the underdogs that are already guaranteed to go home, suddenly turning up against a challenging/superior side in the last game?

Saudi Arabia, Morocco, South Korea, Peru, and now Costa Rica. Here's to hoping that Panama can get something out of the game with Tunisia.

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Postby Lillorainen » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:16 pm

Although the result didn't fit my personal bias, the Serbia-Brazil game was a nice watch - both teams did a good job most of the time. Unlike that, Germany-South Korea wasn't any fun to watch for me - it was boring the first 80 minutes and terrible after that.
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