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World Cup?

Great World Cup!
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50%
Good World Cup!
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23%
Meh
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10%
Bad World Cup!
1
2%
Awful World Cup!
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Total votes : 48

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Postby Wopruthien » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:51 am

Yaana Noore wrote:Gary Speed's death was such a shame. I remember watching his Wales side and it seemed like they were making genuine progress - I really thought they were going places. Coleman picked them up well from that but otherwise I wouldn't give him much credit.

Russia were awful though, absolutely awful. Probably the worst team at the whole tournament. Don't see how Wales beating them was a major achievement. Slovakia slightly better but again not that good. Northern Ireland were genuine minnows and much worse on paper than Wales, their team was a bunch of League One, Championship and Scottish Prem players and they had nobody anywhere near Allen/Ramsey/Bale, just a really talented coach. Wales were better than all three of those teams and should have won, which they did. Not their fault the new format has seriously weakened the competition, they just took advantage of it. The win against Belgium was impressive but that was the only game where they were the underdog. On the face of it semi-finals is a massive achievement but when you look at it closer it's not the sort of minnow-triumphing-against-the-odds story it is made out to be.

Giggs appointment was a joke, weak pool of candidates but still. Personally I thought they should have gone for Mark Hughes, or Osian Roberts if they wanted someone unproven for a gamble. Giggs has done nothing to earn that job, he's done more to justify not giving it to him than anything.


We also had England don't forget. Which although we lost to gave a massive scare and should of won. They went out to Iceland in the next round anyway which made it even better.

When you have had a team that has only qualified for a major tournament twice in it's entire history (58 World Cup, Euro's 76) it really is a huge achievement to get to the Semi's. Wales has been so starved of success it is massive. Yes the players are 'superstars' these days, but even when we have had a similar calibre (okay not quite but still pretty close), Hughes, Speed, Giggs etc we've still failed to even make it.

And as for the win against Russia, I still have memories of 2004 qualifying campaign. Beating Italy then getting knocked out in a 2 leg qualifier by Russia. It was 2004, but still they are a side we consistently lose against.

I'd have liked Bellamy to be manager. Rumours were he would be Wrexham's man for a while (not that I ever saw him dropping that low) but to give it to Giggs citing we needed a passionate Welsh coach was farcical.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:53 am

Starblaydia wrote:
Forsher wrote:
Assuming you mean Football's Coming Home... that song's so boring I couldn't manage a minute of it.

Unless you were English in the 90s and had depressingly managed to not qualify for the 94 World Cup, then somehow ended up hosted the 96 Euros with a team that could almost win it, and having it sung by sold-out stadium crowds... probably wouldn't tug at your prideful heartstrings in quite the same way.


It must have been '96.. I was in Australia and we were watching England-Switzerland in a crowded bar.. I think it was the opening match and it ended in a frustrating draw, probably 1-1.. and tension was growing and there were rumours of two Swiss supporters and everyone was.. and then they played Wonderwall.. and we all sang and everything drained out..

Music is powerful, I thank god they played that song rather than be caught up in something bad.. but it's also powerful in a bad way that Three Lions lends some idea that England are anything but a middling team.

EDIT: Wales..two gifted left wingers in Giggs and Bale that England sorely lack(ed).. can't see them as anything other than draining superb talent from what should be a GB team..
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Postby Forsher » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:57 am

Starblaydia wrote:
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Assuming you mean Football's Coming Home... that song's so boring I couldn't manage a minute of it.

Unless you were English in the 90s and had depressingly managed to not qualify for the 94 World Cup, then somehow ended up hosted the 96 Euros with a team that could almost win it, and having it sung by sold-out stadium crowds... probably wouldn't tug at your prideful heartstrings in quite the same way.


Okay... let's run through the list.

I was not English in the '90s (nor, indeed, any time since then), was not born in 1994, was 1 in 1996 and (presumably) did not watch any of the games in any capacity whatsoever (and I further assume if any of them had been played at any point in time when I was around, they would not have been English matches*).

*For context, the following month I was in a different European country.
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Postby Starblaydia » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:11 am

Bombadil wrote:tension was growing and there were rumours of two Swiss supporters

Evidently not in this forum, judging by the poll so far :lol:
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Postby Yaana Noore » Thu Jun 07, 2018 7:13 am

Wopruthien wrote:We also had England don't forget. Which although we lost to gave a massive scare and should of won. They went out to Iceland in the next round anyway which made it even better.

When you have had a team that has only qualified for a major tournament twice in it's entire history (58 World Cup, Euro's 76) it really is a huge achievement to get to the Semi's. Wales has been so starved of success it is massive. Yes the players are 'superstars' these days, but even when we have had a similar calibre (okay not quite but still pretty close), Hughes, Speed, Giggs etc we've still failed to even make it.

And as for the win against Russia, I still have memories of 2004 qualifying campaign. Beating Italy then getting knocked out in a 2 leg qualifier by Russia. It was 2004, but still they are a side we consistently lose against.

I'd have liked Bellamy to be manager. Rumours were he would be Wrexham's man for a while (not that I ever saw him dropping that low) but to give it to Giggs citing we needed a passionate Welsh coach was farcical.

Wales should not have won that game against England. :lol2: Their goal came from their only chance, a free-kick from miles out which Joe Hart should have saved. They then proceeded to park the bus, dropping deeper and deeper to the extent that Wayne Rooney (a man with zero mobility) was somehow bossing the midfield and then deservedly lost after being dominated the whole game. I remember it well, I was there. England's failure doesn't really make any difference to whether or not Wales' tournament was a success, bit of a small-time mentality there. But if you want to judge it against England then you should take into account Wales were the only team England actually beat.

It's not actually relevant though. The players weren't being held back by what has happened before, they just played the teams they could actually play and were pretty fortunate to get some weak teams. You didn't qualify for Euro 76 either.

Idea of bogey teams is a myth. That Russia team was abysmal and Wales absolutely should have beaten them, which they did.

He was really close to the Oxford job but pulled out though I can't remember why. I was happy to see Wrexham go for Sam Ricketts, seems a nice guy and had a great influence on my team (Wolves) as captain when we were in League One.
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Postby Aboim » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:23 am

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Aboim wrote:I had missed the point about Netherlands victory in 2014 until now and it's sad how the Uruguain Celeste suffered a gradual decadence after 1950.

This is a wonderful, wonderful error.


Why why?

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Postby DesAnges » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:30 am

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DesAnges wrote:Morocco is the other option. I like Morocco, it's a nice place.

Better time zone for me than Russia, I support.

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Postby Nazis in Space » Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:11 am

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Risottia wrote:Germany so far looks like the best team around, but I wouldn't discount Spain and France either.


I will head straight over to the semi finals for me which are to be the following teams:

    Germany
    Brazil
    Argentina
    Spain

I am hoping if Argentina could revenge it's 2014 final but it will be a tough competition from there with the 4 top notch teams. All hail to the best team :bow: (I am a football lover!) . It was a dream to see national players right in front of me in Russia, but though cannot afford the tickets hence I am about to watch fifa world cup online from the comfort of my home :clap:

Argentina has to avenge a little more than 2014.

Germany kicked them out in '06 (Argentina was better and would have progressed if not for a questionable substitution), ’10 (lol) and '14 (tight match). Eliminated them in three consecutive tournaments (also some others, but that's the more distant parts).

That's got to sting a bit.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:15 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:
Porian wrote:
I will head straight over to the semi finals for me which are to be the following teams:

    Germany
    Brazil
    Argentina
    Spain

I am hoping if Argentina could revenge it's 2014 final but it will be a tough competition from there with the 4 top notch teams. All hail to the best team :bow: (I am a football lover!) . It was a dream to see national players right in front of me in Russia, but though cannot afford the tickets hence I am about to watch fifa world cup online from the comfort of my home :clap:

Argentina has to avenge a little more than 2014.

Germany kicked them out in '06 (Argentina was better and would have progressed if not for a questionable substitution), ’10 (lol) and '14 (tight match). Eliminated them in three consecutive tournaments (also some others, but that's the more distant parts).

That's got to sting a bit.


Eh, Argentina is half German anyway. They would have just started supporting Germany instead.

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Postby Wopruthien » Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:03 pm

Yaana Noore wrote:Wales should not have won that game against England. :lol2: Their goal came from their only chance, a free-kick from miles out which Joe Hart should have saved. They then proceeded to park the bus, dropping deeper and deeper to the extent that Wayne Rooney (a man with zero mobility) was somehow bossing the midfield and then deservedly lost after being dominated the whole game. I remember it well, I was there. England's failure doesn't really make any difference to whether or not Wales' tournament was a success, bit of a small-time mentality there. But if you want to judge it against England then you should take into account Wales were the only team England actually beat.


They really should! Since like you say England only won one game and our negative tactics and fear of going for the jugular, which seems a chronic problem of every single Welsh club team, and dropping back just invites pressure.

It was also a response to your point that Wales were the favourites in every game (except Belgium) and expected to win in the Euro's. You are right it doesn't make a difference and I has no bearing on how terrific the whole tournament was from a welsh perspective. And as I've mentioned before I just want to see us at a major tournament in my lifetime. I have at last, but I'd really prefer a World Cup than a Euro's. Ultimately despite our superstars and quality players, that is where Wales is at, and still at despite the success of Euro 16.

Yaana Noore wrote: You didn't qualify for Euro 76 either.

Idea of bogey teams is a myth. That Russia team was abysmal and Wales absolutely should have beaten them, which they did.

He was really close to the Oxford job but pulled out though I can't remember why. I was happy to see Wrexham go for Sam Ricketts, seems a nice guy and had a great influence on my team (Wolves) as captain when we were in League One.


I've been to check and you are right. Honestly the way the media in Wales was going on about the 76 team I thought it was the only other tournament we have been to, turns out we didn't even qualify for that. Shocking.

Bellamy will be good for who ever he decides he wants to manage. My bet he will hold on for Cardiff. Ricketts seems okay, definitely a nice enough guy. I'm concerned by his lack of signings though, we only signed one player and have a squad size of 12 which is pretty unusual for non league teams at this stage. He also hasn't appointed a number two. Throughout May he's been saying he's close to several signings, but we are now in the 2nd week of June.
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Postby Angora Guanaco » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:09 pm

*Sighs*

Australia, why couldn't you just get in Russia's group? It would all be so easy.....
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Postby Yaana Noore » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:08 pm

Wopruthien wrote:They really should! Since like you say England only won one game and our negative tactics and fear of going for the jugular, which seems a chronic problem of every single Welsh club team, and dropping back just invites pressure.

It was also a response to your point that Wales were the favourites in every game (except Belgium) and expected to win in the Euro's. You are right it doesn't make a difference and I has no bearing on how terrific the whole tournament was from a welsh perspective. And as I've mentioned before I just want to see us at a major tournament in my lifetime. I have at last, but I'd really prefer a World Cup than a Euro's. Ultimately despite our superstars and quality players, that is where Wales is at, and still at despite the success of Euro 16.

I've been to check and you are right. Honestly the way the media in Wales was going on about the 76 team I thought it was the only other tournament we have been to, turns out we didn't even qualify for that. Shocking.

Bellamy will be good for who ever he decides he wants to manage. My bet he will hold on for Cardiff. Ricketts seems okay, definitely a nice enough guy. I'm concerned by his lack of signings though, we only signed one player and have a squad size of 12 which is pretty unusual for non league teams at this stage. He also hasn't appointed a number two. Throughout May he's been saying he's close to several signings, but we are now in the 2nd week of June.

Wales did not deserve to win that game nor should they have though. As said, they scored a flukey goal after parking the bus the whole time beforehand, and then continued to do after. England beating (and dominating) Wales just suggests that perhaps Wales were not as good as made out to be...

In comparison to other tournaments it does seem better but the reality is if Wales had gone home after losing to Russia and Slovakia it would have been quite the disappointment, because those were games that they should have won. Belgium navigated qualification for a Euro successfully the first time in 32 years. Compared to previous showings they had improved greatly - but still, it was a disappointment. Because if you look at the tournament itself and what happened, they fell short of expectations. Just like if you look at the state of the Welsh team at Euro '16 and of those that they played, it wasn't that much of a surprise that they got as far as they did.

I'm not denying that Wales getting there was an achievement, and they deserve a lot of credit for beating Belgium. But if you actually look at what happened, they were only the underdog in one of their victories and they got lucky in drawing some pretty poor countries (and a 'top seed' that choked the group). It is nowhere near the monumental upset some made out to be, and I think the idea that they were much better than they really were went to the players', and especially Coleman's, head. I went to the 1-1 draw against Georgia with a friend and they just seemed so overconfident, like they could just rock up and win because they were so much better. A lot of arrogance in that Welsh team (see: celebrating England's exit on camera) that was stemming from the top and ultimately they did get what they deserved - failing to qualify. Wales need a coach that can get them to play well as a unit that can both accommodate and cope without Bale but also keep them grounded. Don't think Giggs is the man that can do it though.

Can't say I know much about the state of Wrexham right now but I hope he does well.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:51 am

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Eh, Argentina is half German anyway. They would have just started supporting Germany instead.


Writing as likely the only person in the thread to have visited a Nazi refuge on the Argentina - Paraguay border, deep in the jungles of Misiones Province...

I couldn't possibly comment.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:26 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Eh, Argentina is half German anyway. They would have just started supporting Germany instead.


Writing as likely the only person in the thread to have visited a Nazi refuge on the Argentina - Paraguay border, deep in the jungles of Misiones Province...

I couldn't possibly comment.

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Postby Aboim » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:46 pm

Messi should throw up on all of you.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:48 pm

Aboim wrote:Messi should throw up on all of you.


Stomach bug? Not going to win then.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:49 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Writing as likely the only person in the thread to have visited a Nazi refuge on the Argentina - Paraguay border, deep in the jungles of Misiones Province...

I couldn't possibly comment.

Little alemania?. The town with a casino with a clock in it? With homes that look like they come out of Bavaria?
Been there my Argentinean hosts thought it would be amusing to take the jew there when I was in cordoba.


No; I said 'the Argentina - Paraguay border, deep in the jungles of Misiones Province'. If you were in Cordoba, you likely mean La Cumbrecita, which is several hundred kilometres from either Paraguay or Misiones.

I was instead referring to this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-32014659

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Postby Pope Joan » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:15 pm

Who cares.

Futbol is demonstratedly corrupt and yet remains unrepentant.

It is a system which is sick at the top

Too bad, because it captures the imagination of the poor in places like COngo and Palestine.

But it is corrupt.

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Postby Nazis in Space » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:19 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Writing as likely the only person in the thread to have visited a Nazi refuge on the Argentina - Paraguay border, deep in the jungles of Misiones Province...

I couldn't possibly comment.

Little alemania?. The town with a casino with a clock in it? With homes that look like they come out of Bavaria?
Been there my Argentinean hosts thought it would be amusing to take the jew there when I was in cordoba.

I do like your hosts' sense of humour~
The Archregimancy wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Eh, Argentina is half German anyway. They would have just started supporting Germany instead.


Writing as likely the only person in the thread to have visited a Nazi refuge on the Argentina - Paraguay border, deep in the jungles of Misiones Province...

I couldn't possibly comment.

I always felt that Paraguay would've been the better fit. Whether it comes to catastrophically losing wars, or winning a campaign on a shoestring budget against opponents with dramatically greater resources, they have it all.

Actually, the latter, Paraguay did rather better than Germany, all things considered. But in fairness, their opponent was Bolivia, not the rest of the planet.

Then again, I'm not sure the Nazis would've been all that keen on its history, what with de Francia capitalising on the previous Jesuit settlements resulting in a rather higher proportion of natives running around than was usual in Latin America, and making miscegenation a legal requirement.

OTOH, Indians were probably the minority the Nazis liked the most, so hey.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:28 pm

Nazis in Space wrote:OTOH, Indians were probably the minority the Nazis liked the most, so hey.


No love for us again in the greater nazi empire. :'(

Then again, those Danes (not great ones) and Norwegians are blonder and more blue eyed than us.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:08 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Little alemania?. The town with a casino with a clock in it? With homes that look like they come out of Bavaria?
Been there my Argentinean hosts thought it would be amusing to take the jew there when I was in cordoba.


No; I said 'the Argentina - Paraguay border, deep in the jungles of Misiones Province'. If you were in Cordoba, you likely mean La Cumbrecita, which is several hundred kilometres from either Paraguay or Misiones.

I was instead referring to this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-32014659


You are probably right. It was a hillside town, very pretty.


Neat article too.
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Postby Eibenland » Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:35 pm

I'm disappointed the US failed to qualify but I'll still be watching. On other matters, FIFA corruption sucks.
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Postby Cryptomypt » Fri Jun 08, 2018 4:58 pm

Iceland will finish with 0 points. You heard it first here.
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Postby Aboim » Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:54 pm

Ice losing in Russia? Seriously?

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Ethel mermania wrote:Little alemania?. The town with a casino with a clock in it? With homes that look like they come out of Bavaria?
Been there my Argentinean hosts thought it would be amusing to take the jew there when I was in cordoba.


No; I said 'the Argentina - Paraguay border, deep in the jungles of Misiones Province'. If you were in Cordoba, you likely mean La Cumbrecita, which is several hundred kilometres from either Paraguay or Misiones.

I was instead referring to this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-32014659


Good article but Nazis had probably many military bases in Southern Cone whose existences have been basically ignored. The absolutely non-fascistic governments also initiated repatriation programs for locals with history in Nazi Army, which was additionally used to save a relevant group of Nazis in Europe.

In great part, nobody really knows who were these Nazis inserted in local societies. So, if Mossad have not yet found, I don't think that someone can do it today. Or can they find?



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Aboim wrote:Messi should throw up on all of you.


Stomach bug? Not going to win then.


He could vomit on other players. It worked in The Exorcist.

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Postby Cryptomypt » Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:34 pm

Easily. They were shockingly sloppy against our B team yesterday. How will they fare against Argentina, Croatia and Nigeria then?
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