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The Parkus Empire
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue May 15, 2018 2:22 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
You act as if remarkably intelligent people haven't gone to prison and done neat things with that kind of eduction.

You like to pretend to like the Constitution, how can you say this and be completely unaware of Gideon v Wainwright?

Careful, the only thing he hates more than the Constitution is SCOTUS.

How can anyone who loves the Constitution not hate SCOTUS when judges like Thurgood Marshall profess a hatred for the Constitution and say it's nothing but yellowed paper?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue May 15, 2018 2:22 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
It keeps Antwerp relevant. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_London_(1839) (see Iron Rhine part)


Is that why the Allies blackmailed you into rebuilding that port post world war 1?


No idea. Offtopic.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue May 15, 2018 2:22 pm

The blAAtschApen wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:What's it made out of?


I don't understand your question. It's an abstract concept, not something you can touch.

So, essentially, it's like an MC Hammer song.

More like Narnia.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 15, 2018 2:23 pm

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Conserative Morality wrote:If there were a demand for astronauts and people like you didn't demand on retributive measures like "Miserable conditions" and "Literal slavery", such a thing would be entirely possible. :)

Could we not compromise and have astronaut slaves?


Slavery is good for a lot of things, if you don't mind the copious amount of blood on your hands. Large-scale infrastructure projects, palaces, servitude.

Having an unwilling person fly a multi-million dollar shuttle is not a good idea.
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Postby The East Marches II » Tue May 15, 2018 2:23 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:>Implying poor quality steel can be used :^)

This applies to people for import too :^))))

I just want my metal to be pure


I can't unsee that my God.

>He doesn't want only the highest grade finished steel

Do not pass go

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue May 15, 2018 2:23 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:If there were a demand for astronauts and people like you didn't demand on retributive measures like "Miserable conditions" and "Literal slavery", such a thing would be entirely possible. :)

Could we not compromise and have astronaut slaves?

I suddenly feel you are more sinister than I thought.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 15, 2018 2:23 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:How can anyone who loves the Constitution not hate SCOTUS when judges like Thurgood Marshall profess a hatred for the Constitution and say it's nothing but yellowed paper?

Very easily.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 15, 2018 2:24 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Could we not compromise and have astronaut slaves?

I suddenly feel you are more sinister than I thought.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue May 15, 2018 2:24 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
I don't understand your question. It's an abstract concept, not something you can touch.

So, essentially, it's like an MC Hammer song.

More like Narnia.


Sure, I'll just be content that we disagree on such a fundamental level that any debate is pretty much useless.
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Postby Telconi » Tue May 15, 2018 2:24 pm

Valrifell wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Could we not compromise and have astronaut slaves?


Slavery is good for a lot of things, if you don't mind the copious amount of blood on your hands. Large-scale infrastructure projects, palaces, servitude.

Having an unwilling person fly a multi-million dollar shuttle is not a good idea.


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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 15, 2018 2:25 pm

The East Marches II wrote:>He doesn't want only the highest grade finished steel

Do not pass go

Bessemer process that shit, get rid of the impurities, MAKE AMERICA IRON AGAIN
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Postby Berhakonia » Tue May 15, 2018 2:26 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:>He doesn't want only the highest grade finished steel

Do not pass go

Bessemer process that shit, get rid of the impurities, MAKE AMERICA IRON AGAIN


I prefer my metal, power metal
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Postby The East Marches II » Tue May 15, 2018 2:26 pm

The blAAtschApen wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:More like Narnia.


Sure, I'll just be content that we disagree on such a fundamental level that any debate is pretty much useless.


That's the problem when you don't have or reject a moral plane all together. Violence becomes the only means of resolving disputes, whether employed by the State or some other group. Rights existing outside of the government realm are a good fiction even if one is an atheist, it even gives us a common plane.

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Postby Thanatttynia » Tue May 15, 2018 2:27 pm

All men are created equal as in all people are born with the same rights as everyone else. That's a) obvious b) sensible c) morally right d) clear. Those rights being infringed (either at the time of writing or today) doesn't mean they don't have those rights.

Berhakonia wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Could we not compromise and have astronaut slaves?


edgy joke below:
Black astronauts already exist

Jokes are supposed to be funny b
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 15, 2018 2:27 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:You can't rely on the existence of God as the basis of a certain interpretation of the Constitution, the separation of church and state would forbid such an interpretation.

Constitution says that Federal Congress make pass no law respecting the establishment of a religion, that's all it says.

Not basing it on the Constitution alone, but on the Letter to the Danbury Baptists, written by Thomas Jefferson, dated January 1st 1802.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Letter_t ... ry_1,_1802
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue May 15, 2018 2:27 pm

The East Marches II wrote:That's the problem when you don't have or reject a moral plane all together. Violence becomes the only means of resolving disputes, whether employed by the State or some other group. Rights existing outside of the government realm are a good fiction even if one is an atheist, it even gives us a common plane.

No, it just gives us a firmer reason to kill one another.
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Postby Berhakonia » Tue May 15, 2018 2:27 pm

Thanatttynia wrote:All men are created equal as in all people are born with the same rights as everyone else. That's a) obvious b) sensible c) morally right d) clear. Those rights being infringed (either at the time of writing or today) doesn't mean they don't have those rights.

Berhakonia wrote:
edgy joke below:
Black astronauts already exist

Jokes are supposed to be funny b


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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue May 15, 2018 2:28 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
Sure, I'll just be content that we disagree on such a fundamental level that any debate is pretty much useless.


That's the problem when you don't have or reject a moral plane all together. Violence becomes the only means of resolving disputes, whether employed by the State or some other group. Rights existing outside of the government realm are a good fiction even if one is an atheist, it even gives us a common plane.


I have a moral plane, I'm not a nihilist :)
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Postby Galloism » Tue May 15, 2018 2:29 pm

The blAAtschApen wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
That's the problem when you don't have or reject a moral plane all together. Violence becomes the only means of resolving disputes, whether employed by the State or some other group. Rights existing outside of the government realm are a good fiction even if one is an atheist, it even gives us a common plane.


I have a moral plane, I'm not a nihilist :)

I just want an actual plane.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue May 15, 2018 2:30 pm

Galloism wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
I have a moral plane, I'm not a nihilist :)

I just want an actual plane.


You'll get a death star and you'll like it.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue May 15, 2018 2:34 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Soon enough unfortunately, but that is not what equity before the law means.

If one person has the legal right to vote, and another does not, then they do not have the same legal rights.

Once again that is not what equity before the law means.


Equality before the law, also known as: equality under the law, equality in the eyes of the law, or legal equality, is the principle that each independent being must be treated equally by the law and that all are subject to the same laws of justice.

It doesn't mean everyone gets a vote or anyone can be a dentist. It means the courts treat them equally.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue May 15, 2018 2:37 pm

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Galloism wrote:I just want an actual plane.


You'll get a death star and you'll like it.


Don't feed his ego. Just give him a paper plane.
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Postby The East Marches II » Tue May 15, 2018 2:37 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:That's the problem when you don't have or reject a moral plane all together. Violence becomes the only means of resolving disputes, whether employed by the State or some other group. Rights existing outside of the government realm are a good fiction even if one is an atheist, it even gives us a common plane.

No, it just gives us a firmer reason to kill one another.


Ok that works too. Double sided utility :^)

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue May 15, 2018 2:37 pm

Parkus, would you discriminate against someone?
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Postby Tundra Terra » Tue May 15, 2018 2:39 pm

Im going with the Emperor of the Holy Britannia on this one and say no. Realistically nobody is equal even down to most genetics (excluding fraternal twins) and even then each and every person is their own mind, individual, or personality.

That is not to say there are not commonalities between folks.
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