All men are created equal

[The Parkus Empire]

The Bill of Rights is U.S. Law, I see no reason why it holds in every country. Furthermore it did not grant any rights against state governments until the 14th Amendment.

The U.N. declaration of human rights, which says that the family is the basis of society (the idea that the individual is the basis of society was vetoed as ridiculous)?

Yes, those.

I will see the UDHR as universal once the family is acknowledge as the basic unit of society, rather than the individual.

[Berhakonia]

All individual human beings are created equal before the infallible eyes of God, however, basic human rights are to be decided independently by each respective nationstate. While there is no external action that one can take to impose the enforcement of basic human rights on all states, it is urged that, for the sake of compromise, all legal citizens be granted basic human rights.

[Ethel mermania]

Equity before the law, correct.

TIL illegal immigrants have the right to vote.

Soon enough unfortunately, but that is not what equity before the law means.

[The Parkus Empire]

"All men are created equal" pretty much means that no one should be discriminated against.

I could not tell men apart if I did not discriminate between them.

[Berhakonia]

All individual human beings are created equal before the infallible eyes of God, however, the enforcement of basic human rights are to be decided independently by each respective nationstate. While there is no external action that one can take to impose the execution of basic human rights on all states, it is urged that, for the sake of compromise, all legal citizens be granted basic human rights.

[The Parkus Empire]

TIL illegal immigrants have the right to vote.

Soon enough unfortunately, but that is not what equity before the law means.

If one person has the legal right to vote, and another does not, then they do not have the same legal rights.

[The Blaatschapen]

Two legs good, four legs better.

[The Parkus Empire]

All individual human beings are created equal before the infallible eyes of God,

All individual human beings are created in a chain of being by God, with differing constitutions and purposes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_chain_of_being

[Huntpublic]

You're probably right, I believe all men are created in the eyes of God,

I don't know what you mean by that. You mean equally loved? If so, I would agree. If you mean God created John the Baptist and Thomas Jefferson equal, I wouldn't agree.

Couldn't we just say that men are designed/created or born equally, but what they are meant for are something different? I have no idea what God has in store for me, but I'm pretty sure I was born the same way as George Washington. Instead, he was meant to be the first President of the United States and I could be meant for breaking a world record(i don't know). But I know me and George Washington's paths are different, not equal, but we are made the same, just meant for something different.

[Zone 71]

No two persons are equal, neither are any two peoples--imagine if every Russian in Russia were replaced by an American: the country would be utterly transformed over night. And does anyone seriously believe that an infantry platoon composed entirely of men would perform the same as one composed entirely of women? No, human beings are not fungible.

Jefferson meant that all men are created (or born) equal; Jefferson was not asserting that all men develop and mature in similar conditions, which is why, in that hypothetical situation, Russia would transform into a society similar in culture to America: the McDonalds of Europe.

[Conserative Morality]

I will see the UDHR as universal once the family is acknowledge as the basic unit of society, rather than the individual.

What a heroic defender of American traditions! =^)

[The Blaatschapen]

All individual human beings are created equal before the infallible eyes of God,

All individual human beings are created in a chain of being by God, with differing constitutions and purposes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_chain_of_being

I reject the God premise. And thus also the conclusion.

[Conserative Morality]

And does anyone seriously believe that an infantry platoon composed entirely of men would perform the same as one composed entirely of women? No, human beings are not fungible.

Holy shit, how did I miss this? lol

[The East Marches II]

I will see the UDHR as universal once the family is acknowledge as the basic unit of society, rather than the individual.

What a heroic defender of American traditions! =^)

>An American accepting the UDHR as valid

Parkus American status revoked.

[The East Marches II]

And does anyone seriously believe that an infantry platoon composed entirely of men would perform the same as one composed entirely of women? No, human beings are not fungible.

Holy shit, how did I miss this? lol

He isn't wrong though, people aren't fungible. That's why they had to lower standards :^)

[Berhakonia]

I will see the UDHR as universal once the family is acknowledge as the basic unit of society, rather than the individual.

What a heroic defender of American traditions! =^)

Wew lad

[The Parkus Empire]

What a heroic defender of American traditions! =^)

>An American accepting the UDHR as valid

Parkus American status revoked.

It's valid on paper. :^)

[The East Marches II]

>An American accepting the UDHR as valid

Parkus American status revoked.

It's valid on paper. :^)

To quote the Kaiser

"It's just a piece of paper" :^)

[The Parkus Empire]

All individual human beings are created in a chain of being by God, with differing constitutions and purposes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_chain_of_being

I reject the God premise. And thus also the conclusion.

If you reject the God premise then you obviously rejecting what it was replying to as well ("All individual human beings are created equal before the infallible eyes of God"), so....

[Conserative Morality]

He isn't wrong though, people aren't fungible.

In a broad sense, that's true. People are also very flexible though. It's like saying that you can't beat your swords into plowshares because swords and plowshares are fundamentally different - in all but the most extreme cases this is false. The problem with most people is simply that they need to be retrained for a given task or society.

That's why they had to lower standards :^)

DELET THIS

We lowered standards because control of institutions and control of society is not shared. =^(

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Are all men created equal?

Yes. /thread

[Auze]

Equality is a fallacy.

Weren't you shot, dissolved in acid, and placed under 7 feet of concrete?

[The Parkus Empire]

It's valid on paper. :^)

To quote the Kaiser

"It's just a piece of paper" :^)

"Mr. Wilson, tear down this paper!"

[Berhakonia]

He isn't wrong though, people aren't fungible.

In a broad sense, that's true. People are also very flexible though. It's like saying that you can't beat your swords into plowshares because swords and plowshares are fundamentally different - in all but the most extreme cases this is false. The problem with most people is simply that they need to be retrained for a given task or society.

There's only so far that a sword can be bent before it becomes unusable

[Valrifell]

People approach an aggressively mediocre average when you factor in all possible things a human can do, yes.