It means that, in a court of law, all citizens are granted the same legal rights in relation to US law. It does NOT mean that we have to implement handicaps a la Harrison Bergeron.
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by West Leas Oros » Fri May 18, 2018 9:29 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.
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by Based Groyper » Fri May 18, 2018 9:30 am
West Leas Oros wrote:Based Groyper wrote:
If they are not equal in a literal way why ought they to be equal in a legal one? It seems to be barbarous to base the Law on outdated superstitions.
It means that, in a court of law, all citizens are granted the same legal rights in relation to US law. It does NOT mean that we have to implement handicaps a la Harrison Bergeron.
by West Leas Oros » Fri May 18, 2018 9:34 am
Based Groyper wrote:West Leas Oros wrote:It means that, in a court of law, all citizens are granted the same legal rights in relation to US law. It does NOT mean that we have to implement handicaps a la Harrison Bergeron.
You have not answered my question - why should citizens be treated as equal before a court of law or anywhere else if they are not in fact equals?
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.
WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.
by Based Groyper » Fri May 18, 2018 9:38 am
by Erythrean Thebes » Fri May 18, 2018 11:00 am
Based Groyper wrote:West Leas Oros wrote:It means that, in a court of law, all citizens are granted the same legal rights in relation to US law. It does NOT mean that we have to implement handicaps a la Harrison Bergeron.
You have not answered my question - why should citizens be treated as equal before a court of law or anywhere else if they are not in fact equals?
by Uxupox » Fri May 18, 2018 11:01 am
Based Groyper wrote:West Leas Oros wrote:In what regards are humans unequal?
Height, mass, intelligence, strength, charisma, rationality, consciousnesss; the list goes on and on you'd be hard pressed to find a quantifiable variable where there are not huge differences between "humans" which is why I think it is not very helpful as a category
by Jelmatt » Fri May 18, 2018 11:40 am
Based Groyper wrote:West Leas Oros wrote:In what regards are humans unequal?
Height, mass, intelligence, strength, charisma, rationality, consciousnesss; the list goes on and on you'd be hard pressed to find a quantifiable variable where there are not huge differences between "humans" which is why I think it is not very helpful as a category
by Based Groyper » Fri May 18, 2018 11:51 am
Jelmatt wrote:Based Groyper wrote:
Height, mass, intelligence, strength, charisma, rationality, consciousnesss; the list goes on and on you'd be hard pressed to find a quantifiable variable where there are not huge differences between "humans" which is why I think it is not very helpful as a category
Why are those divisions morally relevant as to whether some people should hold power over another, or be given equal protection of the law?
by Gospel Power » Fri May 18, 2018 11:55 am
by The Parkus Empire » Fri May 18, 2018 11:59 am
Based Groyper wrote:West Leas Oros wrote:It means that, in a court of law, all citizens are granted the same legal rights in relation to US law. It does NOT mean that we have to implement handicaps a la Harrison Bergeron.
You have not answered my question - why should citizens be treated as equal before a court of law or anywhere else if they are not in fact equals?
by Jelmatt » Fri May 18, 2018 3:42 pm
by Pope Joan » Fri May 18, 2018 4:07 pm
by Ethel mermania » Fri May 18, 2018 4:11 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Fri May 18, 2018 4:29 pm
Pope Joan wrote:Yes,
All humans should by all that is right, be treated as if they all had a sufficient quantum of independence, freedom and dignity.
Only totalitarians and Skinner hold otherwise.
by Chessmistress » Sat May 19, 2018 6:48 am
The Parkus Empire wrote:Are all men created equal? And is consent the basis of society?
The Parkus Empire wrote:Taking "All men are created equal" at face value
by Based Groyper » Mon May 21, 2018 1:55 pm
by Jelmatt » Mon May 21, 2018 6:03 pm
by New Emeline » Mon May 21, 2018 6:08 pm
Based Groyper wrote:West Leas Oros wrote:In what regards are humans unequal?
Height, mass, intelligence, strength, charisma, rationality, consciousnesss; the list goes on and on you'd be hard pressed to find a quantifiable variable where there are not huge differences between "humans" which is why I think it is not very helpful as a category
by The Parkus Empire » Mon May 21, 2018 6:53 pm
New Emeline wrote:Based Groyper wrote:
Height, mass, intelligence, strength, charisma, rationality, consciousnesss; the list goes on and on you'd be hard pressed to find a quantifiable variable where there are not huge differences between "humans" which is why I think it is not very helpful as a category
Humans is most definitely a useful category... It's the casual name for our species.
by New Emeline » Mon May 21, 2018 6:55 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Mon May 21, 2018 6:58 pm
by The Alma Mater » Mon May 21, 2018 9:49 pm
by Galloism » Mon May 21, 2018 9:52 pm
Chessmistress wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:Are all men created equal? And is consent the basis of society?
Yes, and yes.
In the first case I would prefer "persons" rather than "men", because it excludes women.The Parkus Empire wrote:Taking "All men are created equal" at face value
Taking principles affirmations at face value is meant for fun or to create strawmen, not for serious debate.
by The Parkus Empire » Mon May 21, 2018 9:59 pm
by The Alma Mater » Mon May 21, 2018 10:00 pm
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