All men are created equal

[The Blaatschapen]

It's valid on paper. :^)

To quote the Kaiser

"It's just a piece of paper" :^)

Stipulations of that piece of paper are still core parts of Dutch - Belgian international relations.

[The East Marches II]

He isn't wrong though, people aren't fungible.

In a broad sense, that's true. People are also very flexible though. It's like saying that you can't beat your swords into plowshares because swords and plowshares are fundamentally different - in all but the most extreme cases this is false. The problem with most people is simply that they need to be retrained for a given task or society.

You can but it's not going to be as good as a purpose built plowshare or a purpose built sword. It will always be ersatz.

[The Parkus Empire]

He isn't wrong though, people aren't fungible.

In a broad sense, that's true. People are also very flexible though. It's like saying that you can't beat your swords into plowshares because swords and plowshares are fundamentally different - in all but the most extreme cases this is false. The problem with most people is simply that they need to be retrained for a given task or society.

Of course, we should just reeducate convicts in prison to be astronauts. :^)

[Telconi]

Basically everyone is entitled to certain rights, equal to all other people in the world.

[The New California Republic]

All individual human beings are created equal before the infallible eyes of God,

All individual human beings are created in a chain of being by God, with differing constitutions and purposes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_chain_of_being

You can't rely on the existence of God as the basis of a certain interpretation of the Constitution, the separation of church and state would forbid such an interpretation.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

"All men are created equal" pretty much means that no one should be discriminated against.

I could not tell men apart if I did not discriminate between them.

Your discriminate against someone? On what basis?

[The Parkus Empire]

To quote the Kaiser

"It's just a piece of paper" :^)

Stipulations of that piece of paper are still core parts of Dutch - Belgian international relations.

Germany never agreed to Belgian Neutrality, to be fair.

[The East Marches II]

To quote the Kaiser

"It's just a piece of paper" :^)

Stipulations of that piece of paper are still core parts of Dutch - Belgian international relations.

What good did it do the Belgians? Pieces of paper with no means of enforcement are pieces of paper. Same lesson your sort learned post world war 2 but have forgotten today. The Kaiser was right.

[The Blaatschapen]

I reject the God premise. And thus also the conclusion.

If you reject the God premise then you obviously rejecting what it was replying to as well ("All individual human beings are created equal before the infallible eyes of God"), so....

Yes, I believe in the right of self determination for every individual. And in that regard we are all equal.

No God needed

[The Parkus Empire]

All individual human beings are created in a chain of being by God, with differing constitutions and purposes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_chain_of_being

You can't rely on the existence of God as the basis of a certain interpretation of the Constitution, the separation of church and state would forbid such an interpretation.

Constitution says that Federal Congress make pass no law respecting the establishment of a religion, that's all it says.

[Conserative Morality]

You can but it's not going to be as good as a purpose built plowshare or a purpose built sword. It will always be ersatz.

>> not putting them through a crucible

0/10 would not contract you for my fabricae

[Valrifell]

In a broad sense, that's true. People are also very flexible though. It's like saying that you can't beat your swords into plowshares because swords and plowshares are fundamentally different - in all but the most extreme cases this is false. The problem with most people is simply that they need to be retrained for a given task or society.

Of course, we should just reeducate convicts in prison to be astronauts. :^)

You act as if remarkably intelligent people haven't gone to prison and done neat things with that kind of eduction.

You like to pretend to like the Constitution, how can you say this and be completely unaware of Gideon v Wainwright?

[The Parkus Empire]

Yes, I believe in the right of self determination for every individual.

What's it made out of?

[Berhakonia]

All individual human beings are created in a chain of being by God, with differing constitutions and purposes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_chain_of_being

You can't rely on the existence of God as the basis of a certain interpretation of the Constitution, the separation of church and state would forbid such an interpretation.

[Conserative Morality]

Of course, we should just reeducate convicts in prison to be astronauts. :^)

If there were a demand for astronauts and people like you didn't demand on retributive measures like "Miserable conditions" and "Literal slavery", such a thing would be entirely possible.

[The Blaatschapen]

Stipulations of that piece of paper are still core parts of Dutch - Belgian international relations.

What good did it do the Belgians? Pieces of paper with no means of enforcement are pieces of paper. Same lesson your sort learned post world war 2 but have forgotten today. The Kaiser was right.

It keeps Antwerp relevant. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_London_(1839) (see Iron Rhine part)

[Conserative Morality]

Of course, we should just reeducate convicts in prison to be astronauts. :^)

You act as if remarkably intelligent people haven't gone to prison and done neat things with that kind of eduction.

You like to pretend to like the Constitution, how can you say this and be completely unaware of Gideon v Wainwright?

Careful, the only thing he hates more than the Constitution is SCOTUS.

[The East Marches II]

You can but it's not going to be as good as a purpose built plowshare or a purpose built sword. It will always be ersatz.

>> not putting them through a crucible

0/10 would not contract you for my fabricae

>Implying poor quality steel can be used :^)

This applies to people for import too :^))))

[The Parkus Empire]

>> not putting them through a crucible

[New Emeline]

Of course, we should just reeducate convicts in prison to be astronauts. :^)

If there were a demand for astronauts and people like you didn't demand on retributive measures like "Miserable conditions" and "Literal slavery", such a thing would be entirely possible.

Could we not compromise and have astronaut slaves?

[Rainengrad]

Charles Zi Britannia would disagree with the thread title.

[The East Marches II]

What good did it do the Belgians? Pieces of paper with no means of enforcement are pieces of paper. Same lesson your sort learned post world war 2 but have forgotten today. The Kaiser was right.

It keeps Antwerp relevant. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_London_(1839) (see Iron Rhine part)

Is that why the Allies blackmailed you into rebuilding that port post world war 1?

[Conserative Morality]

>Implying poor quality steel can be used :^)

This applies to people for import too :^))))

I just want my metal to be pure

[The Blaatschapen]

Yes, I believe in the right of self determination for every individual.

What's it made out of?

I don't understand your question. It's an abstract concept, not something you can touch.

So, essentially, it's like an MC Hammer song.

[Berhakonia]

If there were a demand for astronauts and people like you didn't demand on retributive measures like "Miserable conditions" and "Literal slavery", such a thing would be entirely possible.

Could we not compromise and have astronaut slaves?

edgy joke below:

Black astronauts already exist