Teacher throws himself on car of line cutting parent

[Cetacea]

is this why Teachers need to be armed...

[The Lone Alliance]

is this why Teachers need to be armed...

I'm almost surprised the teacher wasn't considering this was Texas.

[Alvecia]

is this why Teachers need to be armed...

Indeed. People entering through the exit should be shot on sight.

[Cetacea]

is this why Teachers need to be armed...

Indeed. People entering through the exit should be shot on sight.

I'm sure that teacher assessed the car driver to be an imminent threat to the students in his care

[Alvecia]

Indeed. People entering through the exit should be shot on sight.

I'm sure that teacher assessed the car driver to be an imminent threat to the students in his care

Oh, absolutely. Clearly the only proportional response would be to blow her brains all over the car seat in front of her daughter and the other children in the school.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Quite right, although surely it would have been more effective to simply stand in front of the car?

The first teacher tried that, the parent literally just backed up and drove around them before they could move again. I'm guessing the second teacher was just desperate or outraged that she was disobeying so openly.

Because most sane people would stop if someone jumped on their car.

Clearly, he was not dealing with a sane driver.

The video has her screaming and ranting with the whole "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM" at the guy through the windshield, she was more mad that he was daring to get in her way than worrying about the fact that she couldn't even see out the window anymore.

How has she not been placed into a lunatic asylum by now?

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I'm sure that teacher assessed the car driver to be an imminent threat to the students in his care

Oh, absolutely. Clearly the only proportional response would be to blow her brains all over the car seat in front of her daughter and the other children in the school.

Better that than that SHE kill anyone ELSE.

[Alvecia]

Oh, absolutely. Clearly the only proportional response would be to blow her brains all over the car seat in front of her daughter and the other children in the school.

Better that than that SHE kill anyone ELSE.

Indeed, it's so sad to hear about all of the deaths of these school kids because these teachers weren't able to gun her down before she was able to plough through them.

[Purpelia]

I'm sure that teacher assessed the car driver to be an imminent threat to the students in his care

Oh, absolutely. Clearly the only proportional response would be to blow her brains all over the car seat in front of her daughter and the other children in the school.

To be fair this is not a solution that should be dismissed outright as it does offer some clear positives. Chief among which is that it is a definitive and very vocal and obvious way of getting the point across. "If you violate our rules you die." has after all been a historical favorite of human kind for a reason. So we should give it the benefit of the doubt and compare it with the negatives with an open mind.

Now, personally I think that at least in the implementation suggested the negatives do outweigh the good though. But that's primarily because of the implementation, as said. Basically I think it is a very bad idea to have executions be performed by untrained random citizens off the street with zero government oversight or due process.
It just opens up all sorts of avenues for abuse and accidents and bad stuff.

So you need to employ a government agent of some sort to do it. And you need to have a camera set up in such a way to provide clear and irrefutable video evidence for later. Preferably with something like those sensors they use to detect if a ball has entered the goal to define clear boundaries for death. Basically "you cross the red line and than and only than you die." That sort of thing.

[Datlofff]

Being late doesn't give you a right to go to a blocked off entrance. It's blocked off for a reason.


That being said, why did this guy jump on the roof of the car? What would that do?

If she isn't a lunatic, like she clearly is, I'd imagine it would scare her into stopping. At least thats what Im assuming the teacher thought.

[Sovaal]

is this why Teachers need to be armed...

Indeed. People entering through the exit should be shot on sight.

I say we enforce speed limits and other traffic laws with snipers.

[Alvecia]

Indeed. People entering through the exit should be shot on sight.

I say we enforce speed limits and other traffic laws with snipers.

Alternatively, ban car safety measures. Who really needs seatbelts, airbags, and crumple zones anyway.
Not safe drivers, that's who.

[Sovaal]

I say we enforce speed limits and other traffic laws with snipers.

Alternatively, ban car safety measures. Who really needs seatbelts, airbags, and crumple zones anyway.
Not safe drivers, that's who.

Ban cars. If god intended for us t not use feet, be they man or horse, for transportation he wouldn't have given them to us. *nods*

[Ifreann]

I'm sure that teacher assessed the car driver to be an imminent threat to the students in his care

Oh, absolutely. Clearly the only proportional response would be to blow her brains all over the car seat in front of her daughter and the other children in the school.

If only the driver had a gun, this tragedy could have been averted.

[Purpelia]

How about a serious solution that we could implement today with modern technology for a relatively trivial (as far as government projects go) cost?

We all have mobile phones. The average mobile phone constantly transmits its location to the carrier you are registered with. And it's not the junk you see in the movies either. It's instant and always available information. Takes 0 seconds to find out.
So just make it mandatory to install each automobile with a built in mobile phone -like transmitter. Instantly you have the exact location of every vehicle on every road. We already have similar systems on some automobiles as an anti theft measure. And this would be an extension of that.

Next you only need to create an automated system that monitors and processes this information in real time and automatically issues tickets or even shuts down engines of automobiles driving where they shouldn't be. The later is again functionality that already exists on some vehicle as an anti theft measure. Instant perfectly functional 100% capture rate penalties for every traffic violation ever.

You can even tie it into the automobiles own computer and have it transmit extra data like the current driving speed. So you can fine that as well. And the sky is the limit here. You can for example network in all the traffic lights to fine those. You can monitor erratic driving and notify patrols to look out for potential drunks. You can use it as an anti theft measure. Again, sky is the limit.


And this isn't as huge a project as you might thing. It's big, and would cost probably a couple billion to implement for a country the size of say the US. Much less for smaller nations. But it's perfectly within the realms of plausibility as far as government projects go. And it would not only massively improve safety but also government revenue. And to basically zero loss of any privacy as everyone with a pair of Mk.1. Eyeballs can already find out where your car is on the road and what it's doing.

[Cetacea]

So you need to employ a government agent of some sort to do it. And you need to have a camera set up in such a way to provide clear and irrefutable video evidence for later. Preferably with something like those sensors they use to detect if a ball has entered the goal to define clear boundaries for death. Basically "you cross the red line and than and only than you die." That sort of thing.

just to note that Teaches are government agents, so I'm sure that the Texas Education Agency could give Teachers a Friday off each month so they can undertake suitable tactical combat training to go along with the investment in the advanced red line sensors that you suggest.

children deserve to be safe

[Purpelia]

just to note that Teaches are government agents, so I'm sure that the Texas Education Agency could give Teachers a Friday off each month so they can undertake suitable tactical combat training to go along with the investment in the advanced red line sensors that you suggest.

children deserve to be safe

When it comes to two of the most important parts of children's lives, education and safety (the third being health), I'd personally feel more inclined to have each be handled by people who spend 100% of their limited time and energy focusing on it. After all, you wouldn't want to have your children go to class taught by security guards who spend one day a week studding either.

[Alvecia]

How about a serious solution that we could implement today with modern technology for a relatively trivial (as far as government projects go) cost?

We all have mobile phones. The average mobile phone constantly transmits its location to the carrier you are registered with. And it's not the junk you see in the movies either. It's instant and always available information. Takes 0 seconds to find out.
So just make it mandatory to install each automobile with a built in mobile phone -like transmitter. Instantly you have the exact location of every vehicle on every road. We already have similar systems on some automobiles as an anti theft measure. And this would be an extension of that.

Next you only need to create an automated system that monitors and processes this information in real time and automatically issues tickets or even shuts down engines of automobiles driving where they shouldn't be. The later is again functionality that already exists on some vehicle as an anti theft measure. Instant perfectly functional 100% capture rate penalties for every traffic violation ever.

You can even tie it into the automobiles own computer and have it transmit extra data like the current driving speed. So you can fine that as well. And the sky is the limit here. You can for example network in all the traffic lights to fine those. You can monitor erratic driving and notify patrols to look out for potential drunks. You can use it as an anti theft measure. Again, sky is the limit.


And this isn't as huge a project as you might thing. It's big, and would cost probably a couple billion to implement for a country the size of say the US. Much less for smaller nations. But it's perfectly within the realms of plausibility as far as government projects go. And it would not only massively improve safety but also government revenue. And to basically zero loss of any privacy as everyone with a pair of Mk.1. Eyeballs can already find out where your car is on the road and what it's doing.

Pretty sure that's almost done already, the whole mobiles in cars bit.

Also pretty sure someone already figured out a way to hack into it.

[Sovaal]

Oh, absolutely. Clearly the only proportional response would be to blow her brains all over the car seat in front of her daughter and the other children in the school.

If only the driver had a gun, this tragedy could have been averted.

How about if the car had a gun?

[Purpelia]

Pretty sure that's almost done already, the whole mobiles in cars bit.

As I said, it is a feature that exists in some models of vehicles as an anti theft measure. At least that's how its marketed anyway.
Extending it to a mandatory thing and building a government monitoring system is the next logical step to ensuring perfect road safety and absolute obedience to all traffic laws.

Also pretty sure someone already figured out a way to hack into it.

So what? People hack my automobile to learn where I am every day using their eyeballs.

[Dylar]

If only the driver had a gun, this tragedy could have been averted.

How about if the car had a gun?

What if the barriers had a gun?

In all seriousness, couldn't the mother just pull over to the side of the road real quick and let her kid out so that she could keep on driving? It's what I do a bunch when I go to work or school. And if she was picking her daughter up, just communicate with the daughter and tell her to wait on the sidewalk by the road to pick her up. And if this was during dismissal time, then the car line probably stretched out into the street, so there wouldn't be much of a danger from moving vehicles seeing as the entire lane would've been stopped until the traffic cop gave the go ahead.

[Ifreann]

How about a serious solution that we could implement today with modern technology for a relatively trivial (as far as government projects go) cost?

We all have mobile phones. The average mobile phone constantly transmits its location to the carrier you are registered with. And it's not the junk you see in the movies either. It's instant and always available information. Takes 0 seconds to find out.

None of that is true.

So just make it mandatory to install each automobile with a built in mobile phone -like transmitter. Instantly you have the exact location of every vehicle on every road.

No, you don't.

We already have similar systems on some automobiles as an anti theft measure. And this would be an extension of that.

Imma stop you here. Everything you're proposing is impossible or illegal.

Also, this exact system was proposed by Infected Mushrooms some time back. His idea was much more fun, as he proposed making tunnels illegal and going to war with every nation on Earth.

[Alvecia]

Pretty sure that's almost done already, the whole mobiles in cars bit.

As I said, it is a feature that exists in some models of vehicles as an anti theft measure. At least that's how its marketed anyway.
Extending it to a mandatory thing and building a government monitoring system is the next logical step to ensuring perfect road safety and absolute obedience to all traffic laws.

Also pretty sure someone already figured out a way to hack into it.

So what? People hack my automobile to learn where I am every day using their eyeballs.

There's a lot of electronics stuff in cars these days. A quick google shows a couple examples.
The first with people hacking into the electronic fob lock to steal cars.
The second where they literally turned the car off mid drive (though in a controlled experiment)

Off the top of my head, even knowing that you're not in the house would be handy if I was thinking about going round to rob it.

[Purpelia]

None of that is true.

It is true. Your mobile phone pings cellphone towers to tell its location. This can be used to gather very precise information if you are in an urban area. Maybe not so much in the middle of nowhere. But even so you could still get good info AND have it transmit driving telemetry for those beautiful ticket fees.

Now obviously you'd have to build up a much more dense tower infrastructure to get proper coverage and more accurate monitoring. But that's something you'd have to do anyway to cope with the increased bandwidth issues. Than again you have to do that already with the rising amount of mobile devices.


Anyway the point is moot because of a stupid mistake I made in neglecting a far more preferable system to use for this sort of thing. And that's car GPS systems. These would be a far superior candidate for this sort of effort than cellphone based systems.

Imma stop you here. Everything you're proposing is impossible or illegal.

If a country does it on purpose than it is legal by definition.

Also, this exact system was proposed by Infected Mushrooms some time back. His idea was much more fun, as he proposed making tunnels illegal and going to war with every nation on Earth.

Would you kindly insert a long and rude remark here as I do not feel like writing curse words. But like, assume I did and be insulted please.

There's a lot of electronics stuff in cars these days. A quick google shows a couple examples.
The first with people hacking into the electronic fob lock to steal cars.
The second where they literally turned the car off mid drive (though in a controlled experiment)

Off the top of my head, even knowing that you're not in the house would be handy if I was thinking about going round to rob it.

Every system can be abused by evil people. This does not mean we should not use it.

The only people who think like that are the amish.

[Alvecia]

Imma stop you here. Everything you're proposing is impossible or illegal.

If a country does it on purpose than it is legal by definition.

Well, no, not quite. The government can still break the law. Legality is a bit more complicated than "if the government does it, it's legal".