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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri May 11, 2018 2:42 pm

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Because we're talking about Fascism in particular, not just any imperialist countries. Again, make a thread for imperialism if you want to talk about that.


well the topic of the thread is actually what the criteria for fascism is, not jerking off to their war crimes.

so if you want to start a thread on fascist war crimes go ahead.

You're splitting hairs.
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Postby Torrocca » Fri May 11, 2018 2:44 pm

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Because we're talking about Fascism in particular, not just any imperialist countries. Again, make a thread for imperialism if you want to talk about that.


well the topic of the thread is actually what the criteria for fascism is, not jerking off to their war crimes.

so if you want to start a thread on fascist war crimes go ahead.


Believe it or not, Fascist war crimes relate to Fascist politics.
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Postby Venetorria » Fri May 11, 2018 2:45 pm

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The four countries you mentioned are backwards, stagnating, despotic, and have huge social issues. Russia has a lot of issues, but is the least problematic of the lot, Syria has similar issues just backed by a more apparent system of despotism, but then there's the IR of Iran and North Korea. One is a totalitarian theocracy which kills it's religious and sexual minorities, incites hateful practices, and then there is North Korea, for which I do not really have to elaborate upon, do I?

The things you spew are disproved and debunked conspiracy theories, myths and hoaxes, but even if true, the only thing this tirade of yours could do is convince the logical mind that that made up "occupation government" of yours is actually good, given that any country in the West is at least ten times better as a place to live than those four you mentioned.

Your view that Asian countries are homogenous is probably one of the most balantly ignorant statements I've ever heard from someone who, himself, is half-Asian. You could have literally taken a few minutes to check the demographics of all Asian nations before posting it.
Actually, researching anything you say would quickly debunk most of the things you say on repeat.

North Korea isn't very nice but its one by the local fat guy and his goons instead and atleast its run by ethnic Koreans. Iran alongside Syria and Hezbollah are the last beacons of hope in the middle east and Iran is pretty moderate and they are Shiites not Sunnis. Syria is run by a nationalist hero Assad who defended his people from the western terrorist wing and Israel for years and years when places like Iraq fell instantly. Most Asian countries like Japan, Korea and Taiwan especially the successful ones are homogenous. Not to mention other high IQ Asians in Asia is not the same as the swathes of the 3rd world being placed in Europe. The west has better living standards as they were rich before the Zionist occupation however no its leeching off us and making our nations do evil world wide while screwing our culture and civilisation and putting us under debt slavery


1. So you would support an ethnic crook over an ideal leader of another ethnicity? Ever opened a book or so? Might have seen that, for instance, France reached it's geopolitical and military zenith during the reign of an Italian, that Russia prospered under a German imperatrix, and so on.
2. Last beacons of hope? I can't even comprehend how or why you would think that.
3. Iran is pretty moderate? In what reality do you exist? And what does them being Shiites and not Sunnis have to do with that fact? Iran is a theocracy unlike most Sunni countries (in fact the most moderate Muslim majority countries are the ones with a Sunni majority)
4. Singapore, Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand and the People's Republic of China are not homogenous for sure. You singled out only three countries, and we only focus on far east Asia. What about the gulf states? Or the rest of that region? What about India?
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Postby Kash Island » Fri May 11, 2018 2:49 pm

Torrocca wrote:
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well the topic of the thread is actually what the criteria for fascism is, not jerking off to their war crimes.

so if you want to start a thread on fascist war crimes go ahead.


Believe it or not, Fascist war crimes relate to Fascist politics.


no, you could make a case that Fascism advocates militarism, but the ideology does not advocate war crimes.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri May 11, 2018 2:50 pm

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Believe it or not, Fascist war crimes relate to Fascist politics.


no, you could make a case that Fascism advocates militarism, but the ideology does not advocate war crimes.

Falls under the thread either way, stop splitting hairs.
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Postby Kash Island » Fri May 11, 2018 2:51 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
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no, you could make a case that Fascism advocates militarism, but the ideology does not advocate war crimes.

Falls under the thread either way, stop splitting hairs.


we were already past that little tid bit, now were talking about if war crimes are a criteria of fascism
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri May 11, 2018 2:53 pm

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Falls under the thread either way, stop splitting hairs.


we were already past that little tid bit, now were talking about if war crimes are a criteria of fascism

Considering that fascism advocates that only one ethnicity should be in the country, and uses that as a form of extreme racist patriotism and nationalism, I'd say yes.
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Postby Torrocca » Fri May 11, 2018 2:53 pm

Kash Island wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Believe it or not, Fascist war crimes relate to Fascist politics.


no, you could make a case that Fascism advocates militarism, but the ideology does not advocate war crimes.


Yeah, nah, it's just that every single Fascist country/political party ever has committed crimes against humanity :^)
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Postby Thanatttynia » Fri May 11, 2018 2:53 pm

Kash Island wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Believe it or not, Fascist war crimes relate to Fascist politics.


no, you could make a case that Fascism advocates militarism, but the ideology does not advocate war crimes.

The point is you can't discuss fascism in a sterile environment completely divorced from the atrocities that have been committed under it, not exclusively but especially because they were its likely conclusion. If this were the 1930s I could understand your argument, but it's not.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri May 11, 2018 2:54 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Kash Island wrote:
no, you could make a case that Fascism advocates militarism, but the ideology does not advocate war crimes.


Yeah, nah, it's just that every single Fascist country/political party ever has committed crimes against humanity :^)

And it's actually in line with fascism's teachings.
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Postby Torrocca » Fri May 11, 2018 2:54 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
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Yeah, nah, it's just that every single Fascist country/political party ever has committed crimes against humanity :^)

And it's actually in line with fascism's teachings.


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Postby Cekoviu » Fri May 11, 2018 2:55 pm

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You need to start talking in the context of reality and not in the context of your fairy tale Zionist conspiracy theories.

Its not "fairy tale" many of my predictions such as Israel attacking Iran (happened 2 days ago) to the fat "pride" movement and cultural pollution and Israeli attack on Syria and how they will try to push migrants into Europe while Israel has closed borders all turned out true. Everything I said almost always is proven right at a later date

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Postby Kash Island » Fri May 11, 2018 2:55 pm

Thanatttynia wrote:
Kash Island wrote:
no, you could make a case that Fascism advocates militarism, but the ideology does not advocate war crimes.

The point is you can't discuss fascism in a sterile environment completely divorced from the atrocities that have been committed under it, not exclusively but especially because they were its likely conclusion. If this were the 1930s I could understand your argument, but it's not.


i didn't say we couldnt' discuss the war crimes, were talking about it being a criteria of fascism, there is nothing in fascist doctrine that dictates war crimes as part of the ideology itself(save for national socialism perhaps)
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Postby Kash Island » Fri May 11, 2018 2:56 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
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Yeah, nah, it's just that every single Fascist country/political party ever has committed crimes against humanity :^)

And it's actually in line with fascism's teachings.


Show me where in the Doctrine of Fascism by Benito Mussolini that war crimes are part of the ideology
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri May 11, 2018 2:57 pm

Kash Island wrote:
Thanatttynia wrote:The point is you can't discuss fascism in a sterile environment completely divorced from the atrocities that have been committed under it, not exclusively but especially because they were its likely conclusion. If this were the 1930s I could understand your argument, but it's not.


i didn't say we couldnt' discuss the war crimes, were talking about it being a criteria of fascism, there is nothing in fascist doctrine that dictates war crimes as part of the ideology itself(save for national socialism perhaps)

Well, not explicitly. But through the way they carry their nationalism, war crimes would soon follow.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri May 11, 2018 2:58 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Kash Island wrote:
i didn't say we couldnt' discuss the war crimes, were talking about it being a criteria of fascism, there is nothing in fascist doctrine that dictates war crimes as part of the ideology itself(save for national socialism perhaps)

Well, not explicitly. But through the way they carry their nationalism, war crimes would soon follow.


By that logic the same could be said of human rights violations for Islamism and other such things.
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Postby Kash Island » Fri May 11, 2018 2:58 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
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i didn't say we couldnt' discuss the war crimes, were talking about it being a criteria of fascism, there is nothing in fascist doctrine that dictates war crimes as part of the ideology itself(save for national socialism perhaps)

Well, not explicitly. But through the way they carry their nationalism, war crimes would soon follow.


-_- that is not a good case, in any war war crimes happen and nationalism can be far-left(ussr) and far right.
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Postby Kash Island » Fri May 11, 2018 2:58 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Well, not explicitly. But through the way they carry their nationalism, war crimes would soon follow.


By that logic the same could be said of human rights violations for Islamism and other such things.


^ thank you
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri May 11, 2018 3:00 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Well, not explicitly. But through the way they carry their nationalism, war crimes would soon follow.


By that logic the same could be said of human rights violations for Islamism and other such things.

That is the case, though. :^)
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri May 11, 2018 3:01 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
By that logic the same could be said of human rights violations for Islamism and other such things.

That is the case, though. :^)


Well, I know that and you know that but I'm not sure if Kubumba does.
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Postby Thanatttynia » Fri May 11, 2018 3:04 pm

Kash Island wrote:
Thanatttynia wrote:The point is you can't discuss fascism in a sterile environment completely divorced from the atrocities that have been committed under it, not exclusively but especially because they were its likely conclusion. If this were the 1930s I could understand your argument, but it's not.


i didn't say we couldnt' discuss the war crimes, were talking about it being a criteria of fascism, there is nothing in fascist doctrine that dictates war crimes as part of the ideology itself(save for national socialism perhaps)

I'd say that's a matter of opinion. I think fascist ideology as I understand it at the very least encourages atrocities. It's not that the things they advocate can't be achieved without violence of that kind, it's just that in the real world it wouldn't ever be achieved without it.
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Postby Torrocca » Fri May 11, 2018 3:06 pm

Thanatttynia wrote:
Kash Island wrote:
i didn't say we couldnt' discuss the war crimes, were talking about it being a criteria of fascism, there is nothing in fascist doctrine that dictates war crimes as part of the ideology itself(save for national socialism perhaps)

I'd say that's a matter of opinion. I think fascist ideology as I understand it at the very least encourages atrocities. It's not that the things they advocate can't be achieved without violence of that kind, it's just that in the real world it wouldn't ever be achieved without it.


I mean, hell, it (that being Mussolini's Doctrine of Fascism) literally states that it's a totalitarian ideology. That alone says what needs to be said when it comes to whether or not Fascism leads to atrocities.
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Postby Kash Island » Fri May 11, 2018 3:07 pm

Thanatttynia wrote:
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i didn't say we couldnt' discuss the war crimes, were talking about it being a criteria of fascism, there is nothing in fascist doctrine that dictates war crimes as part of the ideology itself(save for national socialism perhaps)

I'd say that's a matter of opinion. I think fascist ideology as I understand it at the very least encourages atrocities. It's not that the things they advocate can't be achieved without violence of that kind, it's just that in the real world it wouldn't ever be achieved without it.


War crimes happen sure, but that's just a fact of ANY war, but not a direct result of fascism, you could possibly say it can be indirectly a result.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri May 11, 2018 3:07 pm

I gave some thought about what WRA said, and I say not really.
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Postby New Emeline » Fri May 11, 2018 3:08 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Fenriis wrote:Its not "fairy tale" many of my predictions such as Israel attacking Iran (happened 2 days ago) to the fat "pride" movement and cultural pollution and Israeli attack on Syria and how they will try to push migrants into Europe while Israel has closed borders all turned out true. Everything I said almost always is proven right at a later date

how is fat pride related at all to zionism

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