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Postby Cekoviu » Fri May 11, 2018 1:35 pm

Fenriis wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Bas al-lughatul-'arabiyyah hiyya jameelatun jiddan!
But Arabic is a very beautiful language!

Looks really painful when written in English like Turkish with the really long words and scribbles on the letters

"scribbles on the letters" lol
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri May 11, 2018 1:35 pm

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:Yes it does. You have Italian ancestry, so you're part Italian.


this is incorrect, Italian is a nationality you can't be part "italian"

True, I was thinking about that too.
Kash Island wrote:it's like all the american whom say they are "irish" or whatever when they have never set food on ireland.

Actually that's possible. "Irish" is a nationality and an ethnicity.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri May 11, 2018 1:37 pm

Fenriis wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Bas al-lughatul-'arabiyyah hiyya jameelatun jiddan!
But Arabic is a very beautiful language!

Looks really painful when written in English like Turkish with the really long words and scribbles on the letters

Well yeah, it looks better in the Arabic script.
Also, Turkish doesn't have scribbles on letters, they have dots.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Cekoviu » Fri May 11, 2018 1:39 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Fenriis wrote:Looks really painful when written in English like Turkish with the really long words and scribbles on the letters

Well yeah, it looks better in the Arabic script.
Also, Turkish doesn't have scribbles on letters, they have dots.

Diaereses. And a breve on ğ and cedilla for ç and ş.
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Postby Fenriis » Fri May 11, 2018 1:39 pm

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:Yes it does. You have Italian ancestry, so you're part Italian.


this is incorrect, Italian is a nationality you can't be part "italian"

I have italian ancestors as well, but I don't consider myself any part italian, now I could see that I have Latin-Medeterranian roots.

it's like all the american whom say they are "irish" or whatever when they have never set food on ireland.

I have tiny amounts of Italian, Irish and maybe Okinawan blood but I wouldn't call myself any of those. The Irish do have a huge expat community so they might be

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Postby Fenriis » Fri May 11, 2018 1:40 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Fenriis wrote:Looks really painful when written in English like Turkish with the really long words and scribbles on the letters

Well yeah, it looks better in the Arabic script.
Also, Turkish doesn't have scribbles on letters, they have dots.

They seem to have dots and scribbles when its written in the Latin alphabet

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Postby Cekoviu » Fri May 11, 2018 1:41 pm

Fenriis wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Well yeah, it looks better in the Arabic script.
Also, Turkish doesn't have scribbles on letters, they have dots.

They seem to have dots and scribbles when its written in the Latin alphabet

English does on certain letters as well, and that doesn't necessarily make a script look bad. We're veering wildly off topic, though.
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Postby Fenriis » Fri May 11, 2018 1:42 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Fenriis wrote:They seem to have dots and scribbles when its written in the Latin alphabet

English does on certain letters as well, and that doesn't necessarily make a script look bad. We're veering wildly off topic, though.

No its just Turkish words look confusing to read

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Postby Torrocca » Fri May 11, 2018 1:43 pm

Fenriis wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:English does on certain letters as well, and that doesn't necessarily make a script look bad. We're veering wildly off topic, though.

No its just Turkish words look confusing to read


"Words I don't know how to read look confusing to read!"

I mean... what.
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Postby Fenriis » Fri May 11, 2018 1:45 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Fenriis wrote:No its just Turkish words look confusing to read


"Words I don't know how to read look confusing to read!"

I mean... what.

It does if your not used to it that's normal. From what I heard the language was designed for the Latin or Arabic script
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri May 11, 2018 1:45 pm

Fenriis wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:English does on certain letters as well, and that doesn't necessarily make a script look bad. We're veering wildly off topic, though.

No its just Turkish words look confusing to read

That's probably more because you don't speak Turkish and less because it's inherently hard to read. ;)
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri May 11, 2018 1:45 pm

Fenriis wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
"Words I don't know how to read look confusing to read!"

I mean... what.

It does if your not used to it

Exactly.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri May 11, 2018 1:47 pm

Fenriis wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Well yeah, it looks better in the Arabic script.
Also, Turkish doesn't have scribbles on letters, they have dots.

They seem to have dots and scribbles when its written in the Latin alphabet

>When it's written in the Latin alphabet
The Latin alphabet is the only alphabet the Turkish language uses.
Cekoviu wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Well yeah, it looks better in the Arabic script.
Also, Turkish doesn't have scribbles on letters, they have dots.

Diaereses. And a breve on ğ and cedilla for ç and ş.

That too, I forgot about those.
Fenriis wrote:
Kash Island wrote:
this is incorrect, Italian is a nationality you can't be part "italian"

I have italian ancestors as well, but I don't consider myself any part italian, now I could see that I have Latin-Medeterranian roots.

it's like all the american whom say they are "irish" or whatever when they have never set food on ireland.

I have tiny amounts of Italian, Irish and maybe Okinawan blood but I wouldn't call myself any of those

Doesn't matter.
Fenriis wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:English does on certain letters as well, and that doesn't necessarily make a script look bad. We're veering wildly off topic, though.

No its just Turkish words look confusing to read

No when you learn how to say them, they aren't.
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Fenriis wrote:No its just Turkish words look confusing to read


"Words I don't know how to read look confusing to read!"

I mean... what.

He's not wrong, tho.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri May 11, 2018 1:48 pm

Fenriis wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
"Words I don't know how to read look confusing to read!"

I mean... what.

It does if your not used to it that's normal. From what I heard the language was designed for the Latin or Arabic script

Both. Actually, neither. Turkish took up both script over time, it wasn't designed for those script on day 1.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Cekoviu » Fri May 11, 2018 1:49 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Fenriis wrote:They seem to have dots and scribbles when its written in the Latin alphabet

>When it's written in the Latin alphabet
The Latin alphabet is the only alphabet the Turkish language uses.

IIRC it used to use the Arabic script (or maybe it was Persian), but Atatürk rebuilt it to be based off of the Latin script. Latin fits it better anyway, imo.
Torrocca wrote:
"Words I don't know how to read look confusing to read!"

I mean... what.

He's not wrong, tho.

But it's one of the most obvious statements you could make.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri May 11, 2018 1:50 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:>When it's written in the Latin alphabet
The Latin alphabet is the only alphabet the Turkish language uses.

IIRC it used to use the Arabic script (or maybe it was Persian), but Atatürk rebuilt it to be based off of the Latin script. Latin fits it better anyway, imo.

Arabic looks better.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Cekoviu » Fri May 11, 2018 1:50 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Fenriis wrote:It does if your not used to it that's normal. From what I heard the language was designed for the Latin or Arabic script

Both. Actually, neither. Turkish took up both script over time, it wasn't designed for those script on day 1.

That's the case with all natural languages, really. They're sometimes adapted to fit a script after the fact, but not specifically designed with a certain script in mind.
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri May 11, 2018 1:51 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:IIRC it used to use the Arabic script (or maybe it was Persian), but Atatürk rebuilt it to be based off of the Latin script. Latin fits it better anyway, imo.

Arabic looks better.

Perhaps it's more visually appealing, but it doesn't fit Turkish at all.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri May 11, 2018 1:53 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Arabic looks better.

Perhaps it's more visually appealing, but it doesn't fit Turkish at all.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman ... h_alphabet
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Fenriis » Fri May 11, 2018 1:53 pm

We going off topic now

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri May 11, 2018 1:53 pm

We should continue this convo in the diversity thread.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Torrocca » Fri May 11, 2018 1:54 pm

Fascism is a spook that should be destroyed by any and every reasonable society. :^)
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri May 11, 2018 1:55 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Perhaps it's more visually appealing, but it doesn't fit Turkish at all.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman ... h_alphabet

There are many redundancies there, so my point stands. Also, that's a variant designed for Turkish, not the actual Arabic script.
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri May 11, 2018 1:55 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:We should continue this convo in the diversity thread.

I'm not sure how discussion of Turkish orthography is relevant there either. We need a linguistics discussion thread.
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Postby Fenriis » Fri May 11, 2018 1:55 pm

Torrocca wrote:Fascism is a spook that should be destroyed by any and every reasonable society. :^)

That's communism and liberal democracy and capitalism and debt slavery those are the things a healthy society must clean away

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