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Postby Irou » Thu May 17, 2018 2:07 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
New Emeline wrote:-fascism
-left wingers

hmmmm

Early fascism was left-wing. Of course, early fascism had very little in common with fascism as it came to be.

>> tfw early fascists believed in democracy

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Postby New Emeline » Thu May 17, 2018 2:07 pm

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Kvatchdom wrote:Fascism was never left-wing. The left is accepting of different opinions, reminder that US liberals are not left-wing. But if you try to spout pseudo-science or defend actual self-described nazis, most left-wingers will rightfully dislike you.

Fascism is not left-wing but it was born out of the left. Also, the ones sprouting pseudo-science are the gender-fluid-whateverist people that believe in lesbian-string-theories and shit. Or the folk who claim White men are by default priviledged ..or in general adopt generalising, fanatical support or opposition to various ideas.
There are two sexes and genders and three sexualities, that's what biology and nature says and it's stupid to argue about it and not argue about Shell taking advantage of Nigerian oil fields and using Boko Haram as boogeymen.

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Postby Torrocca » Thu May 17, 2018 2:08 pm

Fenriis wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>wants to murder minorities
>anti-degeneracy

suuureeeee :^)

No you guys however are pro genocide.


Nope :^)

What minorities am I going after to murder then? The answer is none


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Postby Irou » Thu May 17, 2018 2:08 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Taurgha wrote:Fascism is not left-wing but it was born out of the left. Also, the ones sprouting pseudo-science are the gender-fluid-whateverist people that believe in lesbian-string-theories and shit. Or the folk who claim White men are by default priviledged ..or in general adopt generalising, fanatical support or opposition to various ideas.
There are two sexes and genders and three sexualities, that's what biology and nature says and it's stupid to argue about it and not argue about Shell taking advantage of Nigerian oil fields and using Boko Haram as boogeymen.

what is lesbian string theory

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Postby Mannslayarr » Thu May 17, 2018 2:08 pm

Taurgha wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:I can only see some kind of correlation because of violent behaviour with BLM and Antifa but violence is not fascism.

Who talked about violence ..I'm talking of the "If you aren't with us, you're against us" tactics and strict political lines of all said groups. That's what makes them quasi-fascist ..not violence, though violence is a natural outcome of fascism most of the time, as is with all totalitarian ideologies.

The Alt-Left are heroes putting the evil oppressors and the white men pawns that stand with them in their place, which is burning in hell.

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Postby New Emeline » Thu May 17, 2018 2:08 pm

Mannslayarr wrote:
Taurgha wrote:Who talked about violence ..I'm talking of the "If you aren't with us, you're against us" tactics and strict political lines of all said groups. That's what makes them quasi-fascist ..not violence, though violence is a natural outcome of fascism most of the time, as is with all totalitarian ideologies.

The Alt-Left are heroes putting the evil oppressors and the white men pawns that stand with them in their place, which is burning in hell.

mate, knock it off it's not really funny

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Postby Torrocca » Thu May 17, 2018 2:09 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Fenriis wrote:He called for the genocide of though criminals and also in a much older post was after a genocide of Japanese and German people

second one was sarcasm m80


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Postby Taurgha » Thu May 17, 2018 2:09 pm

Irou wrote:
Taurgha wrote:I'm really concerned that as a libertarian socialist, I have more in common with centrist conservatives than other left-wingers ..it kind of shows the left isn't actually very libertarian or accepting of different opinions these days. While this is not Fascism, Fascism was born in the exact same way ...by fanatic undebatable left-wingers who cared more about identity politics rather than the economy.

Im guess by Libertarian socialist you mean Classical Liberal who believes in progressive economic policies right? I doubt youre an AnCom

I'm divided between Mutualism and Anarcho-Syndicalism.

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Postby Irou » Thu May 17, 2018 2:09 pm

Mannslayarr wrote:
Taurgha wrote:Who talked about violence ..I'm talking of the "If you aren't with us, you're against us" tactics and strict political lines of all said groups. That's what makes them quasi-fascist ..not violence, though violence is a natural outcome of fascism most of the time, as is with all totalitarian ideologies.

The Alt-Left are heroes putting the evil oppressors and the white men pawns that stand with them in their place, which is burning in hell.

Ha
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Postby New Emeline » Thu May 17, 2018 2:09 pm

string theory is an aspect of theoretical physics, so i don't know how you could tie that to lesbians at all

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Postby Mannslayarr » Thu May 17, 2018 2:09 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Mannslayarr wrote:The Alt-Left are heroes putting the evil oppressors and the white men pawns that stand with them in their place, which is burning in hell.

mate, knock it off it's not really funny

Yes it is.

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Postby New Emeline » Thu May 17, 2018 2:10 pm

Mannslayarr wrote:
New Emeline wrote:mate, knock it off it's not really funny

Yes it is.

not really. quite a tired joke

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Postby Irou » Thu May 17, 2018 2:10 pm

Taurgha wrote:
Irou wrote:Im guess by Libertarian socialist you mean Classical Liberal who believes in progressive economic policies right? I doubt youre an AnCom

I'm divided between Mutualism and Anarcho-Syndicalism.

Anarcho-Syndicalism is the better of the two tbh
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu May 17, 2018 2:11 pm

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Taurgha wrote:But isn't Political Correctness in a way a mean to achieve uniformity in society? Isn't Identity politics in general aiming to create a gag rule on who is and who isn't what, essentially labelling everyone as the same in difference and equal by default? Equality does not exist in nature, nature is unequal ..if we refuse to accept that we will not progress in our societies, in fact we will create more unfair and unjust societies that do not see who are the really disadvantaged people. I mean, when a Black Gay Woman claims she's as much in a vulnerable position as a white straight male cripple, that's wrong. And it's the same even if said man is not a cripple ..let's learn to divide by class and not race, sex and sexuality. Identity politics killed the left. Whites, Blacks, Asians, Men, Women, Gay, Straight, Bisexual we're all fucking humans working for truly priviledged rich humans.

SJWs arent collectivists they dont want to help anyone except themselves an SJW would fight racism not for the minority but to feel good about themselves and the last part i agree with men should work for the betterment of man and none else

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Postby Torrocca » Thu May 17, 2018 2:11 pm

New Emeline wrote:string theory is an aspect of theoretical physics, so i don't know how you could tie that to lesbians at all


Lesbianism is theoretical physics. Don't'cha know? :^)
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Postby West Leas Oros » Thu May 17, 2018 2:12 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Mannslayarr wrote:Yes it is.

not really. quite a tired joke

But why tho? It’s not entirely a joke either...
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Postby New Emeline » Thu May 17, 2018 2:12 pm

Torrocca wrote:
New Emeline wrote:string theory is an aspect of theoretical physics, so i don't know how you could tie that to lesbians at all


Lesbianism is theoretical physics. Don't'cha know? :^)

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Postby Taurgha » Thu May 17, 2018 2:12 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:
Taurgha wrote:If you noticed from my rather large post two pages back, I know very well what fascism is. And the Alt-left is showing minor aspects of it ..I never said, it IS fascism.

The fuck is the alt-left? If you knew what Fascism was you wouldn't be comparing angry lefties to it.

American Liberals ...and I don't care being called a normie if that makes you feel special. Although I take pride in being a huge nerd of political theory ..and you can always go read what I believe Fascism to be, it's not that far back.

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Postby Imperium Corturnix » Thu May 17, 2018 2:12 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:So what are the criteria of fascism? Feel free to post yours, but here are mine.

Hmm I supposed since I'm a Fascist myself I'm obliged to reply.

First and foremost, Fascism is an economic system in which a nation’s government plays a central role in monitoring all banking, trade, production, and labor activity which takes place within the nation. Such monitoring is done for the sole purpose of safeguarding & advancing the nation and its people. Under Fascism, the government will not approve of any business activity unless that business has a positive impact on the nation as a whole and the people of the nation – this is the axiom which determines everything within the economic aspect of Fascism.

In other words, the government asks, “Is XYZ Enterprises good for our nation and our people?” If yes, it’s approved. If no, it’s not approved. When they ask, “Is it good?”, they mean, “Is XYZ Enterprises good for the workers, do they pay a fair wage, do they produce a product or provide a service which advances our nation & our people technologically, morally, spiritually, health-wise, etc???” For example, a pornography company would not be allowed because pornography corrupts people generally and exploits & degrades women particularly. Also, “free” trade agreements (such as what the U.S. has with China) would never be allowed because such trade agreements result in companies sending jobs overseas (where labor is dirt cheap). Such an activity, of course, would undermine a nation’s labor class. This is entirely unacceptable and thus not allowed under a Fascist economic model.

Fascism is based on free enterprise – but with constraints (the primary constraint being, “Is the particular economic activity in question good for our nation/people?”). Also, a businessman can become wealthy in a Fascist country, and the government has no objection to this (this is in stark contrast to Communism). Fascism also encourages private ownership of property (again, in stark contrast to Communism where private property is not allowed).

In a nutshell, Fascism basically tells entrepreneurs, “Go ahead and start a business, earn a lot of money, be successful, but don’t produce any products or services which damage our nation and our nation’s people… and make sure you treat your workers fair and pay them a living wage. If you don’t follow these rules, we’ll shut you down.”

With regard to banking, usury is not allowed under Fascism. The government tightly controls all aspects of monetary policy, including terms of lending. The government issues/prints money and lends it interest free, as needed, to grow the economy and ultimately serve the citizens.

The above is the economic aspect of Fascism. There is also a cultural/social aspect to Fascism as well. Under Fascism, government plays a key role in monitoring: film, theatre, art, literature, music, education, etc in order to maintain a high moral standard, keep things clean and respectable, promote a strong sense of patriotism and honor, and prevent the dissemination of depraved filth which corrupts society.

With regard to political legislation introduced by a Fascist government, the same criteria is applied – “Will this proposed law benefit the nation as a whole and the people of our nation?”

A few other things to mention. Fascism encourages respect for the environment as Fascists understand that nature is the giver of life and thus must be preserved. Contrast this environmental philosophy with that of Capitalism which too often takes the short term view with regard to natural resources and foolishly believes that pollution is a necessary byproduct of profit. Also, and somewhat related to environmental issues, Fascism holds very progressive views with regard to animal rights.

Also, under Fascism, if a person doesn’t like things, he/she can leave the country. Contrast this with Communism where if you don’t like things, you better keep your mouth shut. And, of course, there is no option to leave the country. You will submit or else be sent to a re-education camp where you’ll be brainwashed to accept the Communist system. And if you still resist, you’ll probably be killed. Again, there is no leaving. Submit or suffer the consequences.

Further, Fascism holds women in very high regard. Women are the carriers of new life. They are expected to be educated, worldly, and well read. Women are encouraged to pursue their interests and have a career but only if a career won’t interfere with their family’s needs; family comes first, always. Women are encouraged to be strong yet feminine. Consistent with these ideas, Fascist art often portrays women as heroic and even goddess-like.

In short, Fascism is a form of government & social system which authentically serves the interests of the people and nation as a whole. The word “Fascism” comes from the Italian word “fascio” meaning “the group” or more specifically, “in consideration of the group.” Fascism is rooted in the notion that people must stay true to two mental concepts throughout their lives: 1) the individual’s needs (themselves) and, 2) the group’s needs (their nation)… always evaluating how their individual actions affect the group. Thus Fascism rejects the self-centered “me me me” mentality so common under Capitalism. For example, in a Fascist nation each person is expected to maintain a healthy diet & lifestyle. For if not, they may become seriously ill and thus require expensive health care; this would negatively impact the group (i.e., they’d become a financial burden on the nation).

Continuing this line of thought, under Fascism all people of one’s ethnicity are considered the greater family of that person. Hence, a Fascist nation is thought of as one giant family of several million people. Therefore, just as one mustn’t do anything to hurt their brother or sister in their immediate family, under Fascism one mustn’t do anything which would hurt the nation/group (i.e., the greater family). This is the essence of Fascism – a strong consideration of the group balanced with individualism.

Keep in mind though that this is the perfect version of fascism. Implementing this would be difficult at best, as human nature leads to greed and corruption



Defining what Fascism actually is not that straight forward. The only fascist movement which all can agree was ''Fascist'' was the Italian Branch, pretty much every other branch has been scrutinized, even among other fascist.

Some common traits that all Fascistic movements mostly share are;

Belief in the Totality of the State

This one has to be the least held, but it is generally considered that the State is the end, it needs no justification nor is it a means to further something. As such centralization is favor.

NatSoc for example only viewed the state as a means to preserve the race and Integralists even wanted eventual decentralization.

Third position economy

Fascists uphold that the economy should serve the Nation, and therefore tend to stay clear from internationalistic ideologies such as Capitalism and Socialism, instead opting to take what's ''best'' from both sides. Corporatism, National-Syndicalism, Distributism and Market Socialism are all considered third position.

National Rejuvenation

Pretty self explanatory, a ''re-birth'' in the sense of a New man, this ideal is presented differently by movements however. The NatSoc New man was primarily in a genetic sense, the Italian one in a cultural sense, an the Romanian one in a spiritual sense.

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Cekoviu wrote:
Irou wrote:SJWs arent collectivists they dont want to help anyone except themselves an SJW would fight racism not for the minority but to feel good about themselves and the last part i agree with men should work for the betterment of man and none else

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Thu May 17, 2018 2:13 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Lesbianism is theoretical physics. Don't'cha know? :^)

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Postby New Emeline » Thu May 17, 2018 2:13 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
New Emeline wrote:not really. quite a tired joke

But why tho? It’s not entirely a joke either...

it's boring and uncreative. you're just taking a strawman and blowing it up to ridiculous proportions in a way that's so entirely removed from reality it doesn't form any sort of meaningful satire

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Postby Fahran » Thu May 17, 2018 2:13 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:If you have contradicting genetic evidence to the ancient sources, I'd love to see it.

Keep in mind that medieval sources described Arabs and Berbers are dark-skinned, swarthy, and black as well. Analysis of Egyptian mummies suggests that the elites and some craftsmen at least had a significant amount of genetic heritage in common with Levantine populations, so much so that the modern Egyptian population has moved somewhat closer to Sub-Saharan populations through admixture, possibly as a result of the slave-trade and interactions with wealthy East African polities.

Source.
And another.

The prevailing theory at the moment is that North Africa was primarily settled by population groups that moved from the Levant back into North Africa after thousands of years. This strikes me as extremely likely given the scope and size of the Arab migrations. The base Arabian population was not comparable to the populations of more heavily urbanized civilizations such as Egypt and Nubia. Arab language and culture spread more so than Arab genes.

This does not mean that Sub-Saharan influences were completely absent either. They were absolutely present, but not to the extent that it isn't revisionist to assert that everybody living in North Africa now is principally a newcomer. The people there today probably look mostly the same as their ancestors living in the same place.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu May 17, 2018 2:14 pm

New Emeline wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:But why tho? It’s not entirely a joke either...

it's boring and uncreative. you're just taking a strawman and blowing it up to ridiculous proportions in a way that's so entirely removed from reality it doesn't form any sort of meaningful satire

And the incessant repetitions of it make it far worse.
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Postby Jebslund » Thu May 17, 2018 2:14 pm

Fenriis wrote:
Jebslund wrote:My hair is only afro-shaped when I pick it, as is the hair of around 90% of black people I know. In fact, a quick Google image search of the word "Africans" showed almost no afros. That bust one of the images you were linked to showed is pretty consistent with most of the black people I've seen who don't pick their hair into an afro or wear it in dreads or corn rows, and it's about what my hair and beard would look like if I let the beard grow untamed and kept my hair around that length.

Afro shaped is the wrong word but very curly and black. The man had brown hair on the picture

I used to know a black man at the Gospel Rescue Mission who had natural dark red hair. Super curly, yes, but red. Not the only case of such I've seen or heard of, either. Depending on how much time the Emperor spent in the sun, it's also possible the sun may have bleached his hair, as sometimes happens.

As for the paining not being curly, take a look at the bust. His hair would almost certainly have been done up for the painting, so it's entirely likely it's pinned or otherwise held in place, giving the illusion of it being straight. Then again, several of the pictures my Google search turned up showed tribal Africans with straight hair, so...
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