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Postby Gharrow » Wed May 09, 2018 5:48 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Britannic Unity wrote:Well, they certainly seemed to regard themselves as fascist. As to whether they are is obviously a semantic difference.

My point regarding Mosley, though, was not that he was some sort of pacifist. It's that he wasn't indubitably obsessed with the business of war. Though he was an ardent opponent of de-colonization, he also didn't regard expanding Britain or empowering her military as did Hitler or Mussolini.

So he wanted to maintain the empire without expanding the army?
That just sounds like he would’ve been a terrible leader

Not necessarily not expanding the army, but he didn't want to push the whole bloody thing into maximum overdrive like some other Fascists did.

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Postby New Emeline » Wed May 09, 2018 5:49 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Maybe the Jews write the articles?

Clearly not all of them, since I'm not a Jew and I've written Wikipedia articles. :P

but do you know you're not a Jew

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 09, 2018 5:51 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Clearly not all of them, since I'm not a Jew and I've written Wikipedia articles. :P

but do you know you're not a Jew

I had my ancestry tested, so yes?
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Postby Britannic Unity » Wed May 09, 2018 5:51 pm

Gharrow wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:So he wanted to maintain the empire without expanding the army?
That just sounds like he would’ve been a terrible leader

Not necessarily not expanding the army, but he didn't want to push the whole bloody thing into maximum overdrive like some other Fascists did.

Bingo.

Another essential part of Mosley's divergence from these other fascists was that these nations sought a glory that had long receded and/or was forthcoming. Italy sought restoration of the Roman Empire. Germany saw her destiny in the wheat fields of Ukraine.

Britain was more or less fairly confident of her own strength in those days, and had no insecurities about seeking hegemony or expanded power. Britain was at the apex of her power, and arguably the strongest nation in the world. Therefore, there was no need for militaristic expansion.

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Postby New Emeline » Wed May 09, 2018 5:52 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
New Emeline wrote:but do you know you're not a Jew

I had my ancestry tested, so yes?

how do you know the test wasn't done by Jews

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 09, 2018 5:53 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I had my ancestry tested, so yes?

how do you know the test wasn't done by Jews

Oh jeez
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Postby -United Republic of Freedonia » Wed May 09, 2018 5:54 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:So he wanted to maintain the empire without expanding the army?
That just sounds like he would’ve been a terrible leader

there's only one way to keep the empire...
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Postby Torrocca » Wed May 09, 2018 5:54 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
New Emeline wrote:how do you know the test wasn't done by Jews

Oh jeez


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Postby Mosleyite Britannia » Wed May 09, 2018 5:56 pm

Mosley was an isolationist tbh. Unless a conflict concerned the British Empire, such as the USSR's communist threat, Mosley was happy to stay out and work on improving the conditions of the British labourer.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 09, 2018 5:59 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Oh jeez


Your Jewry ancestry is just a further extension of your Egoism, comrade. Now arm up, follow Stirner:

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This is a good post.
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Postby Torrocca » Wed May 09, 2018 6:01 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Your Jewry ancestry is just a further extension of your Egoism, comrade. Now arm up, follow Stirner:

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and seize your shit :^)

This is a good post.


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Postby Pacific Republic of California » Wed May 09, 2018 6:10 pm

so i categorize fascism in a pretty specific way

1. Forcible suppression of opposition parties
2. Anti-opposition propaganda (such as the Untermensch propaganda in Nazi Germany/Anti-communist propaganda)
3. Dictatorial totalitarianism
4. Not inherently Marxist, Juche, or on the left (North Korea wouldn't be classified as fascist since Juche is on the left of the political scale, as an example)
5. Far-right
6. Totalitarian nationalism
7. One-party state
8. Domestic suppression by use of militarism
9. Mixed economic beliefs, I include command economies but mixed economies are under the definition of fascism
10. Hitlerist/Mussolinist (National Socialist/Supports the beliefs of Benito Mussolini)
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Postby Fenriis » Wed May 09, 2018 11:19 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Clearly not all of them, since I'm not a Jew and I've written Wikipedia articles. :P

but do you know you're not a Jew

Its pretty obvious look at your parents and grandparents and look at your face.

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Postby Fenriis » Wed May 09, 2018 11:21 pm

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Kramanica wrote:N-no, I promise I am 150%! I have my gentile servant around here somewhere...

150%! You have been corrupted! Us real Jews are all 200%!

Most of you are genetically Khazarian ironically. It was admitted by Israeli officials too

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Postby Pilarcraft » Wed May 09, 2018 11:22 pm

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Ostroeuropa wrote:It needs populism and anti-capitalism imo, alongside nationalism, and a support for violence as a rejuvenating force in society. There should also be an ambivalence to democracy at least, and more normally, hostility to democracy.

Fascism isn't anti-capitalist

Depends on the mode. Many forms of fascism are, in theory, anti-capitalist. Of course, once the fascists get in office, they realize that "fuck public ownership and fuck private ownership also" tends to restrict one in how they run an economy, and so they end up bowing to one side (either become collectivists like Strasserists, etc. or effectively capitalists like National Socialists etc.)
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Postby Mosleyite Britannia » Wed May 09, 2018 11:27 pm

Pilarcraft wrote:Depends on the mode. Many forms of fascism are, in theory, anti-capitalist. Of course, once the fascists get in office, they realize that "fuck public ownership and fuck private ownership also" tends to restrict one in how they run an economy, and so they end up bowing to one side (either become collectivists like Strasserists, etc. or effectively capitalists like National Socialists etc.)

"Why not both?"
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu May 10, 2018 3:38 am

Fenriis wrote:
New Emeline wrote:but do you know you're not a Jew

Its pretty obvious look at your parents and grandparents and look at your face.

This is a funny post.
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Postby West Leas Oros » Thu May 10, 2018 5:54 am

Torrocca wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:This is a good post.


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Postby Fenriis » Thu May 10, 2018 7:14 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Fenriis wrote:Its pretty obvious look at your parents and grandparents and look at your face.

This is a funny post.

How its a fact. Its easy to see if your from a certain ethnicity. Its like if someone said how do you know if your black or not you would say look at your self in a mirror
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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 10, 2018 7:15 am

Fenriis wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:This is a funny post.

How its a fact. Its easy to see if your from a certain ethnicity.

Racists have to believe things like that.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu May 10, 2018 7:23 am

Fenriis wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:This is a funny post.

How its a fact. Its easy to see if your from a certain ethnicity. Its like if someone said how do you know if your black or not you would say look at your self in a mirror

Black is not an ethnicity. Also, it's certainly difficult to tell if you're one particular ethnicity - I have quite a bit of Irish ancestry, but you couldn't tell from looking at me.
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Postby Fenriis » Thu May 10, 2018 7:26 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Fenriis wrote:How its a fact. Its easy to see if your from a certain ethnicity. Its like if someone said how do you know if your black or not you would say look at your self in a mirror

Black is not an ethnicity. Also, it's certainly difficult to tell if you're one particular ethnicity - I have quite a bit of Irish ancestry, but you couldn't tell from looking at me.

If you mixed with more than one obviously it will be harder to tell. However Kazarian blood should be easy to spot so thats how you can see if your part Jewish. They have very distinct features

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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 10, 2018 7:27 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Fenriis wrote:How its a fact. Its easy to see if your from a certain ethnicity. Its like if someone said how do you know if your black or not you would say look at your self in a mirror

Black is not an ethnicity. Also, it's certainly difficult to tell if you're one particular ethnicity - I have quite a bit of Irish ancestry, but you couldn't tell from looking at me.

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Postby Fenriis » Thu May 10, 2018 7:27 am

Ifreann wrote:
Fenriis wrote:How its a fact. Its easy to see if your from a certain ethnicity.

Racists have to believe things like that.

How is that racist? Recognising races have certain looks isnt racist. Every race is unique in its own way

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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 10, 2018 7:30 am

Fenriis wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Racists have to believe things like that.

How is that racist? Recognising races have certain looks isnt racist. Every race is unique in its own way

I didn't say that that is racist, I said that racists have to believe things like that. Racists have to believe that a person's racial make-up is easily determined because they can't admit that race is a social construct with no basis in biology.
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