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Favorite Left Wing Novelist or Playwright

George Orwell
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63%
Leo Tolstoy
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13%
Maxim Gorky
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Oscar Wilde
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8%
John Sommerfield
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Nikolay Ostrovsky
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1%
Andrei Bely
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John Steinbeck
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Arthur Miller
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon May 07, 2018 6:31 pm

Ardoki wrote:How can you compare social democracy to fascism? They are nothing alike! Not even in the slightest!

Economically, sort of.
Ardoki wrote:
New Emeline wrote:considering the poll also says "bourgeoise homosexuals", tis probably a joke

That is actually a really common belief amongst communists and anarchists. They are often at least as homophobic as nazis.

Lmao no.
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Postby New Emeline » Mon May 07, 2018 6:31 pm

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New Emeline wrote:I don't think I've met a homophobic anarchist yet

They exist. They often claim that homosexuality is a symptom of capitalist decadence. They are pretty socially conservative in general.

>anarchist
>socially conservative

???????

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Postby Aillyria » Mon May 07, 2018 6:37 pm

Klorgia1 wrote:Just a neutral Liberal passing through. What do you saÿ to regional Unions like the EU.

I have no issue with the EU in principle, but it's current elite are into some weird SJW social engineering bs....and need to be removed.


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Aillyria wrote:You're far from the most ignorant person here....I don't consider you ignorant at all, actually.

But yeah, I've never really dabbled in anarchism. My only anarchist-ish influence is Proudhon.

I appreciate that, thanks. In ignorance I'm more under-informed than dumb -- there's at least a 50% chance I won't know who you're talking about if you give me a random name of a movie star or famous sports player, and I haven't fully read many materials considered essential to the political philosophy I follow. Case in point, The Ego and Its Own, which I haven't actually read despite considering myself somewhat of an egoist. Instead, I tend to just absorb information about politics from listening to others who know what they're talking about, which I'd say makes me fairly ignorant, if not egregiously so. You'd definitely notice it if I tried to insert non-meme feedback when people are talking about something I don't understand. :P

Eh, everyone has their own way of gathering info.
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Postby Aillyria » Mon May 07, 2018 6:41 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
New Emeline wrote:only a maybe smh


I was a Trekkie at one point (though never that extreme).

I'm a trekkie, and have been since I was a kid. In fact, I'm almost done rewatching all the Star Trek series, I'm currently rewatching Star Trek: Enterprise.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby New Emeline » Mon May 07, 2018 6:42 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
I was a Trekkie at one point (though never that extreme).

I'm a trekkie, and have been since I was a kid. In fact, I'm almost done rewatching all the Star Trek series, I'm currently rewatching Star Trek: Enterprise.

I'm not a trekkie, I just like space

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Postby Aillyria » Mon May 07, 2018 6:47 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Aillyria wrote:I'm a trekkie, and have been since I was a kid. In fact, I'm almost done rewatching all the Star Trek series, I'm currently rewatching Star Trek: Enterprise.

I'm not a trekkie, I just like space

I like space too. Star Trek inspired my interest in space, politics, and ships / the Navy. :)
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby New Emeline » Mon May 07, 2018 6:48 pm

Aillyria wrote:
New Emeline wrote:I'm not a trekkie, I just like space

I like space too. Star Trek inspired my interest in space, politics, and ships / the Navy. :)

I'm not sure what started the whole space thing. Probably the Nova Science Now podcasts I watched when I was little.

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon May 07, 2018 7:57 pm

New Emeline wrote:I'm not a trekkie, I just like space


I kind of stopped being a Trekkie after Babylon 5 came out. Unfortunately, that franchise is basically dead.
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Postby New Emeline » Mon May 07, 2018 8:03 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
New Emeline wrote:I'm not a trekkie, I just like space


I kind of stopped being a Trekkie after Babylon 5 came out. Unfortunately, that franchise is basically dead.

I've just never gotten in to either of them.

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon May 07, 2018 8:57 pm

New Emeline wrote:I've just never gotten in to either of them.


Babylon 5 is kind of like Star Trek DS9.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon May 07, 2018 8:59 pm

So here's a question for ya'll.
Assuming that in a country the Revolution succeeds (communist, socialist, syndicalist whatever) what now?
Do you spread the Revolution by force? Through subversion? Or do you behave peaceably and simply lead by example as a beacon for the workers?
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Postby The Alexanderians » Mon May 07, 2018 8:59 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Ardoki wrote:How can you compare social democracy to fascism? They are nothing alike! Not even in the slightest!

Economically, sort of.
Ardoki wrote:That is actually a really common belief amongst communists and anarchists. They are often at least as homophobic as nazis.

Lmao no.

I guess when you have some kind of government involvement in the economy systems all start to look the same.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon May 07, 2018 9:01 pm

Genivaria wrote:So here's a question for ya'll.
Assuming that in a country the Revolution succeeds (communist, socialist, syndicalist whatever) what now?
Do you spread the Revolution by force? Through subversion? Or do you behave peaceably and simply lead by example as a beacon for the workers?

Try to arm workers' movements in those countries.
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Postby New Emeline » Mon May 07, 2018 9:02 pm

Genivaria wrote:So here's a question for ya'll.
Assuming that in a country the Revolution succeeds (communist, socialist, syndicalist whatever) what now?
Do you spread the Revolution by force? Through subversion? Or do you behave peaceably and simply lead by example as a beacon for the workers?

Ideally, the third option. Practically, I don't know. I don't have enough knowledge on the topic to make an informed opinion.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 07, 2018 9:51 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
New Emeline wrote:I'm not a trekkie, I just like space


I kind of stopped being a Trekkie after Babylon 5 came out. Unfortunately, that franchise is basically dead.

DS9 is better than Babylon 5. Fite me.
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon May 07, 2018 9:54 pm

Ardoki wrote:
New Emeline wrote:considering the poll also says "bourgeoise homosexuals", tis probably a joke

That is actually a really common belief amongst communists and anarchists. They are often at least as homophobic as nazis.

Very true. Just yesterday the local IWW chapter sent 30 gays to the death camps

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Postby El Hamidah » Mon May 07, 2018 9:58 pm

Ardoki wrote:
New Emeline wrote:considering the poll also says "bourgeoise homosexuals", tis probably a joke

That is actually a really common belief amongst communists and anarchists. They are often at least as homophobic as nazis.

Uh. No, lol.

I think if you ask any one of them here or anywhere else, they'll probably be against homophobia.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon May 07, 2018 10:12 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:DS9 is better than Babylon 5. Fite me.


They were both pretty good, but I was disappointed in the final episode of DS9.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon May 07, 2018 10:22 pm

Genivaria wrote:So here's a question for ya'll.
Assuming that in a country the Revolution succeeds (communist, socialist, syndicalist whatever) what now?
Do you spread the Revolution by force? Through subversion? Or do you behave peaceably and simply lead by example as a beacon for the workers?


I don't like speculating on the future. It is better, IMO, to focus on what we should be doing now. Our descendants will hopefully take care of the future.
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Postby El Hamidah » Mon May 07, 2018 10:34 pm

Does somebody know some good Anarcho Syndicalist theorists who aren't Noam Chomsky?
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 07, 2018 10:56 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:DS9 is better than Babylon 5. Fite me.


They were both pretty good, but I was disappointed in the final episode of DS9.

Yeah, DS9 kind of peaked in early season 6 with the station occupation arc. After that, it wasn't quite as good.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon May 07, 2018 10:59 pm

Space is terrible, yo. Unless you turn yourself into a human tin-can you insta-die.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 08, 2018 4:57 am

New Emeline wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So here's a question for ya'll.
Assuming that in a country the Revolution succeeds (communist, socialist, syndicalist whatever) what now?
Do you spread the Revolution by force? Through subversion? Or do you behave peaceably and simply lead by example as a beacon for the workers?

Ideally, the third option. Practically, I don't know. I don't have enough knowledge on the topic to make an informed opinion.


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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue May 08, 2018 5:08 am

Genivaria wrote:So here's a question for ya'll.
Assuming that in a country the Revolution succeeds (communist, socialist, syndicalist whatever) what now?
Do you spread the Revolution by force? Through subversion? Or do you behave peaceably and simply lead by example as a beacon for the workers?


Option 3: our attentions should be dedicated solely to our people. We should operate internationally only through diplomacy unless directly attacked. The real revolution is the friends we make on the way.
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Postby West Leas Oros » Tue May 08, 2018 5:49 am

New Emeline wrote:
Ardoki wrote:They exist. They often claim that homosexuality is a symptom of capitalist decadence. They are pretty socially conservative in general.

>anarchist
>socially conservative

???????

But wouldn’t forceful censorship of “statist” ideas be considered socially conservative? Or am I wrong?
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