LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Yeah I know, that's why I said she was explicitly against what would later be termed liberal feminism.

Well, as a socialist/Marxist feminist (technically, a critical realist feminist), I also find liberal feminism to be problematic. It is rooted in the American cult of individualism.

Nothing wrong with individualism.

[The Alexanderians]

Well, as a socialist/Marxist feminist (technically, a critical realist feminist), I also find liberal feminism to be problematic. It is rooted in the American cult of individualism.

Nothing wrong with individualism.

So long as your individualism doesn't come at the expense of the whole.

[The Parkus Empire]

This post contains high traces of humanism and crypto-Kantianism

Good.

All men are not created equal.

Coercion, not consent, is the basis of society. Consent is preferable, but it can only ever supplement (even if tremendously) coercion.

[New Emeline]

Good.

All men are not created equal.

Coercion, not consent, is the basis of society. Consent is preferable, but it can only ever supplement (even if tremendously) coercion.

All men are not created equal, because all men are not created

[The Parkus Empire]

All men are not created equal.

Coercion, not consent, is the basis of society. Consent is preferable, but it can only ever supplement (even if tremendously) coercion.

All men are not created equal, because all men are not created

That's literally John Calhoun's argument.

[New Emeline]

All men are not created equal, because all men are not created

That's literally John Calhoun's argument.

He wasn't religious?

[The Parkus Empire]

That's literally John Calhoun's argument.

He wasn't religious?

No, not at all. Besides he says technically only Adam and Eve would have been created anyway

[New Emeline]

He wasn't religious?

No, not at all. Besides he says technically only Adam and Eve would have been created anyway

Isn't there a Bible verse about "before I formed you in the womb I knew you"?

[Aillyria]

Yeah I know, that's why I said she was explicitly against what would later be termed liberal feminism.

Well, as a socialist/Marxist feminist (technically, a critical realist feminist), I also find liberal feminism to be problematic. It is rooted in the American cult of individualism.

Feminism isn't compatible with socialism.

[New Emeline]

Well, as a socialist/Marxist feminist (technically, a critical realist feminist), I also find liberal feminism to be problematic. It is rooted in the American cult of individualism.

Feminism isn't compatible with socialism.

How so?

[The Parkus Empire]

No, not at all. Besides he says technically only Adam and Eve would have been created anyway

Isn't there a Bible verse about "before I formed you in the womb I knew you"?

Yes, and normally Christians consider God the creator of each individual. But if Calhoun were a Christian, his position would be called "traducianism".

[Chestaan]

Well, as a socialist/Marxist feminist (technically, a critical realist feminist), I also find liberal feminism to be problematic. It is rooted in the American cult of individualism.

Feminism isn't compatible with socialism.

How do you figure? I mean I despise the current non-socialist feminist movement, but I can definitely see how woman will be liberated, as will men, through the end of capitalism.

[Cekoviu]

Well, as a socialist/Marxist feminist (technically, a critical realist feminist), I also find liberal feminism to be problematic. It is rooted in the American cult of individualism.

Feminism isn't compatible with socialism.

How? Liberal feminism isn't, of course, but I don't see how the core ideals are incompatible.

[Threlizdun]

Well, as a socialist/Marxist feminist (technically, a critical realist feminist), I also find liberal feminism to be problematic. It is rooted in the American cult of individualism.

Feminism isn't compatible with socialism.

No, socialism without feminism is class-reductionist and ignores the role that gendered labor ideologies maintain the capitalist system through the emotional labor of women and organization of workers into a family unit of production, reproduction, and consumption as well as providing an additional matrix of oppression and division for the constitution of violence and hierarchy as normative features of society.

[The Parkus Empire]

Feminism isn't compatible with socialism.

How do you figure? I mean I despise the current non-socialist feminist movement, but I can definitely see how woman will be liberated, as will men, through the end of capitalism.

Ebin both parents will work outside the home and abortions will be a customary way to celebrate new year's day right after a night of pregnant drunken orgies

[New Emeline]

How do you figure? I mean I despise the current non-socialist feminist movement, but I can definitely see how woman will be liberated, as will men, through the end of capitalism.

Ebin both parents will work outside the home and abortions will be a customary way to celebrate new year's day right after a night of pregnant drunken orgies

wot

[Chestaan]

Feminism isn't compatible with socialism.

No, socialism without feminism is class-reductionist and ignores the role that gendered labor ideologies maintain the capitalist system through the emotional labor of women and organization of workers into a family unit of production, reproduction, and consumption as well as providing an additional matrix of oppression and division for the constitution of violence and hierarchy as normative features of society.

I could be wrong, but didn't Engels talk about women in capitalism pretty early on?

[The Parkus Empire]

Ebin both parents will work outside the home and abortions will be a customary way to celebrate new year's day right after a night of pregnant drunken orgies

wot

Been spendin most my life livin in a womyn's paradise

[The Parkus Empire]

No, socialism without feminism is class-reductionist and ignores the role that gendered labor ideologies maintain the capitalist system through the emotional labor of women and organization of workers into a family unit of production, reproduction, and consumption as well as providing an additional matrix of oppression and division for the constitution of violence and hierarchy as normative features of society.

I could be wrong, but didn't Engels talk about women in capitalism pretty early on?

Yes, he said class oppression started with monogamous marriage

[Aillyria]

Feminism isn't compatible with socialism.

No, socialism without feminism is class-reductionist and ignores the role that gendered labor ideologies maintain the capitalist system through the emotional labor of women and organization of workers into a family unit of production, reproduction, and consumption as well as providing an additional matrix of oppression and division for the constitution of violence and hierarchy as normative features of society.

Wtf is emotional labor?

Feminism is in opposition to the nature of socialism, which is egalitarian, which feminism is not.....as its name suggests. The family as a unit of society, and the strengthening of that unit, is one of the best ways to weaken the dependence on states and increase the support system of the individual.

Feminism isn't compatible with socialism.

How? Liberal feminism isn't, of course, but I don't see how the core ideals are incompatible.

Feminism isn't egalitarian, it is female supremacist. It is also terrible for men and
women.

Feminism isn't compatible with socialism.

How do you figure? I mean I despise the current non-socialist feminist movement, but I can definitely see how woman will be liberated, as will men, through the end of capitalism.

Feminism doesn't liberate anyone from anything.

[The Alexanderians]

No, socialism without feminism is class-reductionist and ignores the role that gendered labor ideologies maintain the capitalist system through the emotional labor of women and organization of workers into a family unit of production, reproduction, and consumption as well as providing an additional matrix of oppression and division for the constitution of violence and hierarchy as normative features of society.

Wtf is emotional labor?

Feminism is in opposition to the nature of socialism, which is egalitarian, which feminism is not.....as its name suggests. The family as a unit of society, and the strengthening of that unit, is one of the best ways to weaken the dependence on states and increase the support system of the individual.

How? Liberal feminism isn't, of course, but I don't see how the core ideals are incompatible.

Feminism isn't egalitarian, it is female supremacist. It is also terrible for men and
women.

How do you figure? I mean I despise the current non-socialist feminist movement, but I can definitely see how woman will be liberated, as will men, through the end of capitalism.

Feminism doesn't liberate anyone from anything.

Now see I'm certianly no fan of feminism's idpol but that's unfair. First Wave feminists were very important to female empowerment and liberation.

[The Parkus Empire]

Wtf is emotional labor?

Feminism is in opposition to the nature of socialism, which is egalitarian, which feminism is not.....as its name suggests. The family as a unit of society, and the strengthening of that unit, is one of the best ways to weaken the dependence on states and increase the support system of the individual.


Feminism isn't egalitarian, it is female supremacist. It is also terrible for men and
women.


Feminism doesn't liberate anyone from anything.

Now see I'm certianly no fan of feminism's idpol but that's unfair. First Wave feminists were very important to female empowerment and liberation.

To do what?

[The Alexanderians]

Now see I'm certianly no fan of feminism's idpol but that's unfair. First Wave feminists were very important to female empowerment and liberation.

To do what?

Chiefly voting rights and in many cases was the first examples of legal equality between men and women.

[Aillyria]

Wtf is emotional labor?

Feminism is in opposition to the nature of socialism, which is egalitarian, which feminism is not.....as its name suggests. The family as a unit of society, and the strengthening of that unit, is one of the best ways to weaken the dependence on states and increase the support system of the individual.


Feminism isn't egalitarian, it is female supremacist. It is also terrible for men and
women.


Feminism doesn't liberate anyone from anything.

Now see I'm certianly no fan of feminism's idpol but that's unfair. First Wave feminists were very important to female empowerment and liberation.

That is debateable.

[The Parkus Empire]

To do what?

Chiefly voting rights and in many cases was the first examples of legal equality between men and women.

Brought us prohibition. *waves dry flag*