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Favorite Left Wing Novelist or Playwright

George Orwell
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63%
Leo Tolstoy
28
13%
Maxim Gorky
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2%
Oscar Wilde
17
8%
John Sommerfield
1
0%
Nikolay Ostrovsky
3
1%
Andrei Bely
1
0%
John Steinbeck
22
10%
Arthur Miller
6
3%
 
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Rostavykhan
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Postby Rostavykhan » Thu May 03, 2018 7:18 pm

Wanting to share two articles that I was shared that I found interesting.

It's Time For Anarchists To Pick Up A Gun

The Liberal Desire For Gun Control Is Going To Get Us Killed

While I don't necessarily agree with every view the author may have, I do enjoy the article. I also like how they point out in the second that pushing the "white males are evil" rhetoric among Liberal circles only helps to radicalize said groups against them/divide the workers.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu May 03, 2018 7:18 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Stalin and Lenin, for example.

Image

Stalin was basically a Red Fascist.

During the period while the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was in force, Benito Mussolini positively reviewed Stalinism as having transformed Soviet Bolshevism into a Slavic fascism.[6] Despite ideological differences, Adolf Hitler admired Stalin and his politics and believed that Stalin was in effect transforming Soviet Bolshevism into a form of National Socialism.[7]
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 03, 2018 7:20 pm

Rostavykhan wrote:While I don't necessarily agree with every view the author may have, I do enjoy the article. I also like how they point out in the second that pushing the "white males are evil" rhetoric among Liberal circles only helps to radicalize said groups against them/divide the workers.

It's funny because the main people pushing "White males are evil" are not liberals but people who need to strawman liberals in order to fight them because their own ideologies are so weak and repulsive that they can't stand up in a proper fight against liberalism. =^)
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Postby Genivaria » Thu May 03, 2018 7:20 pm

Rostavykhan wrote:Wanting to share two articles that I was shared that I found interesting.

It's Time For Anarchists To Pick Up A Gun

The Liberal Desire For Gun Control Is Going To Get Us Killed

While I don't necessarily agree with every view the author may have, I do enjoy the article. I also like how they point out in the second that pushing the "white males are evil" rhetoric among Liberal circles only helps to radicalize said groups against them/divide the workers.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu May 03, 2018 7:22 pm


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Postby Cekoviu » Thu May 03, 2018 7:22 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Rostavykhan wrote:While I don't necessarily agree with every view the author may have, I do enjoy the article. I also like how they point out in the second that pushing the "white males are evil" rhetoric among Liberal circles only helps to radicalize said groups against them/divide the workers.

It's funny because the main people pushing "White males are evil" are not liberals but people who need to strawman liberals in order to fight them because their own ideologies are so weak and repulsive that they can't stand up in a proper fight against liberalism. =^)

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 03, 2018 7:23 pm

Genivaria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Image

Stalin was basically a Red Fascist.

During the period while the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was in force, Benito Mussolini positively reviewed Stalinism as having transformed Soviet Bolshevism into a Slavic fascism.[6] Despite ideological differences, Adolf Hitler admired Stalin and his politics and believed that Stalin was in effect transforming Soviet Bolshevism into a form of National Socialism.[7]

Total BS. First of all, Stalin himself wasn't Slavic, secondly there wasn't class collaboration or national emphasis.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu May 03, 2018 7:24 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Stalin was basically a Red Fascist.


Total BS. First of all, Stalin himself wasn't Slavic, secondly there wasn't class collaboration or national emphasis.

Georgians are Slavs, didn't you know? :^)
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Postby Aillyria » Thu May 03, 2018 7:29 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Stalin was basically a Red Fascist.


Total BS. First of all, Stalin himself wasn't Slavic, secondly there wasn't class collaboration or national emphasis.

There definitely was national emphasis....Socialism in one country....the "Patriotic War".
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Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 03, 2018 7:31 pm

Aillyria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Total BS. First of all, Stalin himself wasn't Slavic, secondly there wasn't class collaboration or national emphasis.

There definitely was national emphasis....Socialism in one country....the "Patriotic War".

A country is not a nation, Stalin emphasized the difference in his 1913 work, Marxism and the National Question.
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Postby Aillyria » Thu May 03, 2018 7:36 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Aillyria wrote:There definitely was national emphasis....Socialism in one country....the "Patriotic War".

A country is not a nation, Stalin emphasized the difference in his 1913 work, Marxism and the National Question.

The USSR wasn't a nation in the ethnic sense of the word, sure. However, it was a nation in the civic sense.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
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West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Cekoviu » Thu May 03, 2018 7:39 pm

Aillyria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:A country is not a nation, Stalin emphasized the difference in his 1913 work, Marxism and the National Question.

The USSR wasn't a nation in the ethnic sense of the word, sure.

This is liberal deceit. Considering that all USSR citizens were Slavs -- an indisputable fact -- it should become clear over time that the USSR was a nation, both politically and ethnically.
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Rostavykhan
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Postby Rostavykhan » Thu May 03, 2018 7:44 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Rostavykhan wrote:While I don't necessarily agree with every view the author may have, I do enjoy the article. I also like how they point out in the second that pushing the "white males are evil" rhetoric among Liberal circles only helps to radicalize said groups against them/divide the workers.

It's funny because the main people pushing "White males are evil" are not liberals but people who need to strawman liberals in order to fight them because their own ideologies are so weak and repulsive that they can't stand up in a proper fight against liberalism. =^)


Tell that to some of the RWDT lads.

Hearing the "Ebul Liberals/Leftists" arguments nowadays is funnily more common now, and just as annoying, especially when they lump in all Leftists with their strawmen.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Thu May 03, 2018 7:44 pm

Aillyria wrote:I have literally never referred to myself as rightwing, or leftwing either. If you feel I am, it's whatever, you're free to have your opinion.


You mean you don't remember the conversation we had about the article you read?
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Thu May 03, 2018 7:46 pm

Aillyria wrote:Lol, well to be fair, DCF did say he didn't agree with her. But, he did say Elijah Muhammad was a "great man of his time".


I support neither Trask nor Elijah Muhammad. Recognizing someone's greatness is not a statement of support. It is a statement of respect.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Thu May 03, 2018 7:47 pm

Genivaria wrote:Stalin was basically a Red Fascist.


Yes!
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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu May 03, 2018 7:54 pm

El Hamidah wrote:Only working class homosexuals should be allowed


What about the homosexual aristocrats?

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Postby Jelmatt » Thu May 03, 2018 7:54 pm

Hey hey hey.

I love the smell of a new thread in the morning.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu May 03, 2018 7:54 pm

Jelmatt wrote:Hey hey hey.

I love the smell of a new thread in the morning.

How do you like it in the nighttime, though?
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Postby Aillyria » Thu May 03, 2018 8:02 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Aillyria wrote:I have literally never referred to myself as rightwing, or leftwing either. If you feel I am, it's whatever, you're free to have your opinion.


You mean you don't remember the conversation we had about the article you read?

I thought that would be a given. I remember no such convo.
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Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
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Postby New Emeline » Thu May 03, 2018 8:15 pm

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Aillyria wrote:Time for chastity belts for everyone....men too.

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Thu May 03, 2018 8:16 pm

Aillyria wrote:I thought that would be a given. I remember no such convo.


Interesting. Well, I will just drop it. There are more important things to talk about.
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Postby Reikoku » Thu May 03, 2018 8:17 pm

Democratic Communist Federation";p="33957066As wrote:I learned in graduate school, most historians are careful when applying categories from one culture to another. Two or more systems can be similar without being the same. For instance, I would not call wartime Japan fascist. I would call it State Shinto. Clarity in terms avoids confusion.


That doesn't make any sense. Fascism was not a cultural phenomenon unique to Europe, it was an ideology adopted by people from all continents. To say that State Shintō was an ideology that functioned as the Japanese equivalent to Fascism just shows your ignorance of history.

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Thu May 03, 2018 8:19 pm

Aillyria wrote:The USSR wasn't a nation in the ethnic sense of the word, sure. However, it was a nation in the civic sense.


The technical term is a multinational state.
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Postby New Emeline » Thu May 03, 2018 8:20 pm

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Arbeitersrepublik wrote:But how will we have future generations of comrades? I propose fully automated bi luxury communism, that way we can still have future generations of comrades for papa CTanNH

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