LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[Cekoviu]

Society considers it expected and even natural that professors be leftists. You're no radical: you're just following a script.

I have been teaching at the college and university level since 1980 (as a TA) and a full-time professor since 1985. What society expects is irrelevant. Most of academia, despite the mistaken view common on the right, is conservative.

Um, what?? The vast majority of my professors in a state that Trump won by 20 points have been liberal or moderate.

[Bienenhalde]

I cannot wait going to university, studying social sciences and politics. But does one become more left-aligned, the more educated he is?

No, education does not make a person more left-wing. It is just that Leftists are trying to maintain absolute control over humanities and social science faculties at the expense of conservative intellectuals and replace education with indoctrination.

[Cekoviu]

I cannot wait going to university, studying social sciences and politics. But does one become more left-aligned, the more educated he is?

No, education does not make a person more left-wing. It is just that Leftists are trying to maintain absolute control over humanities and social science faculties at the expense of conservative intellectuals and replace education with indoctrination.

Imagine believing this unironically.

[New yugoslavaia]

No, education does not make a person more left-wing. It is just that Leftists are trying to maintain absolute control over humanities and social science faculties at the expense of conservative intellectuals and replace education with indoctrination.

Imagine believing this unironically.

No, not the leftists. These so called "leftists" AKA modern SJWs are actually flipped Nazis in a way. All the main politics factions in the modern western world (the SJWs, Alt-right, the mainstream government/capitalists) are all some form of rightism. SJWism is not true leftism. Communism was more left then them and their social ideas (under Stalin at least) where rather conservative.

The left is not indoctrinating them, just rival right wings factions to US conservatives.

Also, don't use liberal=left and conservative=right, that's american crap. They're polluting our politics. Even English skeptics use these terms in those contexts. In disgusting.

[Cekoviu]

Imagine believing this unironically.

No, not the leftists. These so called "leftists" AKA modern SJWs are actually flipped Nazis in a way. All the main politics factions in the modern western world (the SJWs, Alt-right, the mainstream government/capitalists) are all some form of rightism. SJWism is not true leftism. Communism was more left then them and their social ideas (under Stalin at least) where rather conservative.

The left is not indoctrinating them, just rival right wings factions to US conservatives.

Also, don't use liberal=left and conservative=right, that's american crap. They're polluting our politics. Even English skeptics use these terms in those contexts. In disgusting.

lmao what

[New yugoslavaia]

No, not the leftists. These so called "leftists" AKA modern SJWs are actually flipped Nazis in a way. All the main politics factions in the modern western world (the SJWs, Alt-right, the mainstream government/capitalists) are all some form of rightism. SJWism is not true leftism. Communism was more left then them and their social ideas (under Stalin at least) where rather conservative.

The left is not indoctrinating them, just rival right wings factions to US conservatives.

Also, don't use liberal=left and conservative=right, that's american crap. They're polluting our politics. Even English skeptics use these terms in those contexts. In disgusting.

lmao what

What's wrong?

[Cekoviu]

lmao what

What's wrong?

everything except the last line

[New yugoslavaia]

What's wrong?

everything except the last line

"Also, don't use liberal=left and conservative=right, that's american crap. They're polluting our politics. Even English skeptics use these terms in those contexts. In disgusting."

Yeah, I do get fed up of people using that terminology.

Are you from the US?

[Ostroeuropa]

What's wrong?

everything except the last line

men kampf works for a reason, modern progressivism is basically just racism and sexism using inverted terminology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism

The basis of progressive support for feminism in particular is a fundamentally conservative view on what oppression means. (Not focused on the bottom of society and the downtrodden, which is men, but on aspirational middle class women and how they're blocked from higher offices sometimes.)

[New yugoslavaia]

everything except the last line

men kampf works for a reason, and the basis of SJWs support for feminism is a fundamentally conservative view on what oppression means. (Not focused on the bottom of society and the downtrodden, which is men, but on aspirational middle class women and how they're blocked from higher offices sometimes.)

Look, with all the stuff you say I have strong feeling that you're either a Nazi or some form of far rightism.

[Ostroeuropa]

men kampf works for a reason, and the basis of SJWs support for feminism is a fundamentally conservative view on what oppression means. (Not focused on the bottom of society and the downtrodden, which is men, but on aspirational middle class women and how they're blocked from higher offices sometimes.)

Look, with all the stuff you say I have strong feeling that you're either a Nazi or some form of far rightism.

How so? What makes you think i'm a nazi or far-right? Which statements in particular?

Perhaps you can find some anti-semitism? Or how about me calling othes genetically inferior?

Nothing? Nothing at all? Just gonna throw that out there because you don't like what i'm saying and don't have an argument, merely snarls and insults?
Okey doke.

[Dumb Ideologies]

No, education does not make a person more left-wing. It is just that Leftists are trying to maintain absolute control over humanities and social science faculties at the expense of conservative intellectuals and replace education with indoctrination.

Imagine believing this unironically.

It's not 100% inaccurate but I think that it misattributes agency in making an active conspiracy out of what is in many ways only a logical expression of the makeup of the academic community.

Fundamentally I think that those who are most interested in understanding society on an intellectual level are those wanting to change it; those who are happy with the way things are tend to take it for granted. This creates a predominance of left-wing ideas in certain fields - not all, unsurprisingly fields like business studies and some economics courses tend to attract people who are friendly towards capitalism.

I don't think that academics get together in a volcanic satanist cathedral to have big meetings discussing plans to keep rightists out (though some of the radical students do try with some success to chase certain ideas off campus). But it stands to reason that journals and funding boards based on peer review will tend to prefer work that accords with their ideological preferences, making it more difficult for right-leaning people to succeed. And thus the cycle continues with the next generation of lecturers.

It's a (mostly) unintentional thing, I think, but it is a shame. Because a debate between people mostly on the same side is not as good a debate as it could be. You hone the finer edges of your argument only through contact with real opponents. Otherwise, rather than deepening understanding you become progressively more self-indulgent and ideologically "flabby", a game of stating things "everybody already knows" in the most verbose way possible. This is why external speakers and talks are so important, and why it is troubling that students are trying to prevent anyone with "ungood" opinions from being able to speak.

It's not so much a top-down conspiracy as bottom-up biases solidifying into semi-institutional forms.

[New yugoslavaia]

Look, with all the stuff you say I have strong feeling that you're either a Nazi or some form of far rightism.

How so? What makes you think i'm a nazi or far-right? Which statements in particular?

Perhaps you can find some anti-semitism? Or how about me calling othes genetically inferior?

Nothing? Nothing at all? Just gonna throw that out there because you don't like what i'm saying and don't have an argument, merely snarls and insults?
Okey doke.

You used mein Kampf specifically. Why not another political book. Why that one?

[Ostroeuropa]

How so? What makes you think i'm a nazi or far-right? Which statements in particular?

Perhaps you can find some anti-semitism? Or how about me calling othes genetically inferior?

Nothing? Nothing at all? Just gonna throw that out there because you don't like what i'm saying and don't have an argument, merely snarls and insults?
Okey doke.

You used mein Kampf specifically. Why not another political book. Why that one?

I said Men Kampf. It's an add on that translates feminist rhetoric to nazi rhetoric, female = aryan and so on, patriarchy = zionist occupied government, and so on. It works really well and reveals that fundamentally their framework is just one of prejudice and bigotry.

https://www.reddit.com/r/menkampf/top/

Some of the best ones.

There's a game where you gotta guess the blanks and decide if it's a nazi or a feminist talking, like,

https://www.reddit.com/r/StormfrontorSJW/top/

(Stormfront or SJW)

"I'm of the opinion that the _____ should be rounded up and put into camps." Feminist or Nazi? etc.

The current one getting a lot of mileage is "Why can't we hate Jews?" and her article espousing how hatred of the jew is natural and desirable, from the 8th most cited feminist academic in the world.

https://i.redd.it/df40uwraujr01.png

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

I cannot wait going to university, studying social sciences and politics. But does one become more left-aligned, the more educated he is?

No, education does not make a person more left-wing. It is just that Leftists are trying to maintain absolute control over humanities and social science faculties at the expense of conservative intellectuals and replace education with indoctrination.

Actually, education makes it easier to see through all the BS believed by some political ideologies (i.e. "climate change is a hoax", "rape culture", "immigrants are destroying our culture", etc.). And quite frankly, the American right is more guilty of indoctrination in education than the left as it heavily endorses Christian dogma. (At least I live in Europe, we have slightly more sensible politicians here)

[Kaiserreich irl]

No, education does not make a person more left-wing. It is just that Leftists are trying to maintain absolute control over humanities and social science faculties at the expense of conservative intellectuals and replace education with indoctrination.

Actually, education makes it easier to see through all the BS believed by some political ideologies (i.e. "climate change is a hoax", "rape culture", "immigrants are destroying our culture", etc.). And quite frankly, the American right is more guilty of indoctrination in education than the left as it heavily endorses Christian dogma. (At least I live in Europe, we have slightly more sensible politicians here)

It really depends on what region you live. In SoCal it is virtually non-existent.

[Proctopeo]

No, education does not make a person more left-wing. It is just that Leftists are trying to maintain absolute control over humanities and social science faculties at the expense of conservative intellectuals and replace education with indoctrination.

Actually, education makes it easier to see through all the BS believed by some political ideologies (i.e. "climate change is a hoax", "rape culture", "immigrants are destroying our culture", etc.). And quite frankly, the American right is more guilty of indoctrination in education than the left as it heavily endorses Christian dogma. (At least I live in Europe, we have slightly more sensible politicians here)

You see, that depends on where you live and as a phenomenon exists primarily in K-12, while the left-wing stranglehold so to speak on college exists across the country, even in deep conservative territory.

[Cekoviu]

everything except the last line

"Also, don't use liberal=left and conservative=right, that's american crap. They're polluting our politics. Even English skeptics use these terms in those contexts. In disgusting."

Yeah, I do get fed up of people using that terminology.

Are you from the US?

yes

[New yugoslavaia]

"Also, don't use liberal=left and conservative=right, that's american crap. They're polluting our politics. Even English skeptics use these terms in those contexts. In disgusting."

Yeah, I do get fed up of people using that terminology.

Are you from the US?

yes

What's it like?

Also, what do you think of rationalwiki?

[Cekoviu]

yes

What's it like?

The politics are crap and it's rather polluted, but otherwise good.

Also, what do you think of rationalwiki?

I'm pretty sure you've asked me that already, but I consider it a good source of amusement and information on most topics with some flaws when discussing feminism and social justice.

[Aellex]

So... how about those trade unions? Don't you just love 'em?

*Revolutionary Catalonia intensifies*

Département de Catalogne s'intensifie

[Aellex]

No, education does not make a person more left-wing. It is just that Leftists are trying to maintain absolute control over humanities and social science faculties at the expense of conservative intellectuals and replace education with indoctrination.

Actually, education makes it easier to see through all the BS believed by some political ideologies (i.e. "climate change is a hoax", "rape culture", "immigrants are destroying our culture", etc.). And quite frankly, the American right is more guilty of indoctrination in education than the left as it heavily endorses Christian dogma. (At least I live in Europe, we have slightly more sensible politicians here)

[Liriena]

So... how about those trade unions? Don't you just love 'em?

*Revolutionary Catalonia intensifies*

HELL YEAH!

[Cekoviu]

Actually, education makes it easier to see through all the BS believed by some political ideologies (i.e. "climate change is a hoax", "rape culture", "immigrants are destroying our culture", etc.). And quite frankly, the American right is more guilty of indoctrination in education than the left as it heavily endorses Christian dogma. (At least I live in Europe, we have slightly more sensible politicians here)

To which part of their post are you reacting?

[Proctopeo]

What's it like?

The politics are crap and it's rather polluted, but otherwise good.

Also, what do you think of rationalwiki?

I'm pretty sure you've asked me that already, but I consider it a good source of amusement and information on most topics with some flaws when discussing feminism and social justice.

tbh it's just a less funny lefty version of conservapedia