LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[Pilarcraft]

Imagine thinking that is a good idea. By all things good and true, I didn't know this type of people even existed!

thousands of Americans believe in fascism but cant mobilize into a organized paramilitary or political party due to small differences in thought

America has a population in the hundred millions. "Thousands of Americans" is small fish.

[West Leas Oros]

Imagine thinking that is a good idea. By all things good and true, I didn't know this type of people even existed!

thousands of Americans believe in fascism but cant mobilize into a organized paramilitary or political party due to small differences in thought

Not surprising. Finding unity is hard amongst fascist paramilitary groups and political parties. Communists too, will fight over small differences in ideology. And the US political system is based on two nearly identical parties arguing over topics they would agree on. Unity among an ideology is a dream dashed by the wind.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

"All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
Better ideal than a confederation of separate states who share the same economic system and ideology

What ideology?

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

Imagine thinking that is a good idea. By all things good and true, I didn't know this type of people even existed!

If you have the stomach for it, listen to right-wing talk radio. They are a dime a dozen.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

thousands of Americans believe in fascism but cant mobilize into a organized paramilitary or political party due to small differences in thought

Thank heavens for that.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

i dont think that changing the economic system will change the human impulse for more power even if it means you need to fuck everyone else to setup your personal "old stone building"

I never specified the economic system. I am a libertarian communist, not a Marxist-Leninist. The economic system is only one aspect of the capitalist world-system. The entire system needs to be replaced, not only the economy (as generally understood).

[Jelmatt]

Imagine thinking that is a good idea. By all things good and true, I didn't know this type of people even existed!

thousands of Americans believe in fascism but cant mobilize into a organized paramilitary or political party due to small differences in thought

Thousands, huh, in a country of 325 million?

[Free American Empire-]

Imagine thinking that is a good idea. By all things good and true, I didn't know this type of people even existed!

thousands of Americans believe in fascism but cant mobilize into a organized paramilitary or political party due to small differences in thought

Even if they did, it still wouldn't be enough for any meaningful influence. Thousand people are less than one percent in country like America.

Also, good that they don't. Far-right is bad enough already.

[Mattopilos II]

Imagine thinking that is a good idea. By all things good and true, I didn't know this type of people even existed!

thousands of Americans believe in fascism but cant mobilize into a organized paramilitary or political party due to small differences in thought

B-but the left is sectarian and that's bad!
/s

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

Thousands, huh, in a country of 325 million?

Maybe if those thousands can agree, they can hold a barbecue. I know some good entertainers.

[West Leas Oros]

Thousands, huh, in a country of 325 million?

Maybe if those thousands can agree, they can hold a barbecue. I know some good entertainers.

I do love a good barbecue.

[Mattopilos II]

Maybe if those thousands can agree, they can hold a barbecue. I know some good entertainers.

I do love a good barbecue.

Burnt by their own Flammenwerfen!

[Torrocca]

Nay, technology can stay, just destroy current social structures to achieve total socioeconomic equality. :^)

You can't. Especially if you want to not only keep but also improve technology. The "90% of humanity" that existed before we decided to create States lived in abjectly shitty conditions, with horrendously bad life expectancy. All of that improved only thanks to the creation of States and the social organisation that resulted.
If you remove States, you remove Civilisation itself and you throw humanity back in the dark ages with all the shittiness that implies.

Well, actually, studies show they lived pretty good, bar the whole issue of infants and young children dying at absurdly high rates (which, really, just plagued society worldwide until the past century or so) and disease wiping out large groups of people (which, again, affected everyone up until the past century or so and is making a comeback). Neolithic groups had more egalitarian ideals overall, going off given studies and the like, and were generally happier and freer to do as they pleased unlike humans living in states today.

[Aellex]

Well, actually, studies show they lived pretty good, bar the whole issue of infants and young children dying at absurdly high rates (which, really, just plagued society worldwide until the past century or so) and disease wiping out large groups of people (which, again, affected everyone up until the past century or so and is making a comeback). Neolithic groups had more egalitarian ideals overall, going off given studies and the like, and were generally happier and freer to do as they pleased unlike humans living in states today.

Can I ask you for some sources on that last sentence?

[Torrocca]

Well, actually, studies show they lived pretty good, bar the whole issue of infants and young children dying at absurdly high rates (which, really, just plagued society worldwide until the past century or so) and disease wiping out large groups of people (which, again, affected everyone up until the past century or so and is making a comeback). Neolithic groups had more egalitarian ideals overall, going off given studies and the like, and were generally happier and freer to do as they pleased unlike humans living in states today.

Can I ask you for some sources on that last sentence?

Sure, here's an argument similar to mine that has several links to sources c:

[Aellex]

Sure, here's an argument similar to mine that has several links to sources c:

Which are "YouTube" and "Primitivism.com" along with deliberate misreading of some Google books.
Heh, not very compelling.
As for the only legit point of those presented, I mean, sure, there was less conflict between human when we were still hunters gatherer then we became farmers. That's only because our population was minuscule in the former when compared even to the earliest accounts of the latter, tho.

[Torrocca]

Sure, here's an argument similar to mine that has several links to sources c:

Which are "YouTube" and "Primitivism.com" along with deliberate misreading of some Google books.
Heh, not very compelling.

Maybe you could argue why they're not very compelling, comrade? :^)

As for the only legit point of those presented, I mean, sure, there was less conflict between human when we were still hunters gatherer then we became farmers. That's only because our population was minuscule in the former when compared even to the earliest accounts of the latter, tho.

Maybe, but I feel like it also had something to do with the lack of states. For instance, you can see from European accounts of Native Americas in North America or Aborigines in Australia and New Zealand that there was very limited conflict when compared to what was going on in European societies.

[Jelmatt]

I also think you're ignoring that we didn't just jump from hunter-gatherer bands to fully formed state societies. We had tribes and chiefdoms in between, the latter of which anarchists would reject even though it's stateless.

I think it is telling that there's been no egalitarian band or tribe societies larger than, what, a few hundred people? At a certain point human social relationships get so complicated that without some level of concentrated authority such societies are very hard to maintain. The key, I think, is to place strict controls on authority and have a system for people under the control of authorities to easily challenge and control abuses of power.

[Aellex]

Maybe you could argue why they're not very compelling, comrade? :^)

YouTube videos and An-Prim fapsites aren't renown for their accuracy nor truthfulness my friend.

Maybe, but I feel like it also had something to do with the lack of states. For instance, you can see from European accounts of Native Americas in North America or Aborigines in Australia and New Zealand that there was very limited conflict when compared to what was going on in European societies.

Well, from what I read it was quite the contrary instead, Amerindians in Northern America were especially bloodthirsty and warlike; the latter was in fact so important that it's argued on a book whose name I can't fucking manage to find right now much to my dismay about the French colonial empire in the America as being the main reason they went along so well with the handful of French colonists (who also doubled as hunters and traders) since they were as eager to sell their service to fight proxy wars against their fellow Amerindians as they were to buy weapons from them.

To be honest, little differencied them from the Gallic and Germanic Barbarians in term of love of war and slaughter, the idea of the "noble savage" is more of an European myth than something that actually existed.

[Cekoviu]

Alex Jones confessed to be a "performance artist" in court i don't think he was sincere.

well
that's kind of disappointing

He kept acting like normal after that though, so I'm pretty sure it was just an excuse to be able to get custody of his kids.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

I do love a good barbecue.

Yes, me, too, but with good company. If I show up, I may become the main dish.

[Ostroeuropa]

Just thought i'd drop in to criticize the dehumanization of the far-right and nazis and stuff and remind those who think this is fine of the reasons this trend began in culture.

Following WW2 the banality and normality of Nazis and their human characteristics was the focus for a time, up until about the 60s when criticisms of western involvement became more prevalent in cultural pieces, raising questions like;

"Where is the responsibility of the American Industrialists who helped Hitler to rebuild his army and profited from that rebuilding?"

Following this kind of discussion being started, media all of a sudden, FOR SOME REASON, lurched into portraying Nazis and the far-right as cartoonish villains with no depth of character or human qualities that no longer examined closely the reasons this happened, instead portraying them simply as bad people and that no further investigation or discussion was necessary.

That the modern progressive left supports that trend in large part is an insight into just how much of their discourse is polluted by lack of skepticism and inquiry, and ultimately serves the interests of capitalism consistently with their discourse on social issues.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Just thought i'd drop in to criticize the dehumanization of the far-right and nazis and stuff and remind those who think this is fine of the reasons this trend began in culture.

Following WW2 the banality and normality of Nazis and their human characteristics was the focus for a time, up until about the 60s when criticisms of western involvement became more prevalent in cultural pieces, raising questions like;

"Where is the responsibility of the American Industrialists who helped Hitler to rebuild his army and profited from that rebuilding?"

Following this kind of discussion being started, media all of a sudden, FOR SOME REASON, lurched into portraying Nazis and the far-right as cartoonish villains with no depth of character or human qualities that no longer examined closely the reasons this happened, instead portraying them simply as bad people and that no further investigation or discussion was necessary.

That the modern progressive left supports that trend in large part is an insight into just how much of their discourse is polluted by lack of skepticism and inquiry, and ultimately serves the interests of capitalism consistently with their discourse on social issues.

I mean, tbf, the Nazis were fucking evil.

[Ostroeuropa]

Just thought i'd drop in to criticize the dehumanization of the far-right and nazis and stuff and remind those who think this is fine of the reasons this trend began in culture.

Following WW2 the banality and normality of Nazis and their human characteristics was the focus for a time, up until about the 60s when criticisms of western involvement became more prevalent in cultural pieces, raising questions like;

"Where is the responsibility of the American Industrialists who helped Hitler to rebuild his army and profited from that rebuilding?"

Following this kind of discussion being started, media all of a sudden, FOR SOME REASON, lurched into portraying Nazis and the far-right as cartoonish villains with no depth of character or human qualities that no longer examined closely the reasons this happened, instead portraying them simply as bad people and that no further investigation or discussion was necessary.

That the modern progressive left supports that trend in large part is an insight into just how much of their discourse is polluted by lack of skepticism and inquiry, and ultimately serves the interests of capitalism consistently with their discourse on social issues.

I mean, tbf, the Nazis were fucking evil.

Not particularly, and that's the kind of talk that makes it difficult to actually address the issue and understand the environment that leads normal people into supporting genocide.

[Pilarcraft]

I mean, tbf, the Nazis were fucking evil.

Not particularly, and that's the kind of talk that makes it difficult to actually address the issue and understand the environment that leads normal people into supporting genocide.

Y e a h. If we call people who support genocide evil, normal people might drive into supporting genocide too.
That's the point about supporting genocide. It automatically makes you evil.
The Germans in the ww2 may not have all been evil, but the nazis? they were evil precisely because they were nazis.