NationStates

West Leas Oros wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
noeux thoueux :^)

Non tu.

*cuneiform "no u"*

Torrocca wrote:

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Any talk of human nature makes me get my think face on.

The nature of which humans? From what culture? From what time period?

The 90% of humanity that came before we decided to develop states :^)

Conclusions:

Humans are mostly hunter-gatherers or small farmers. Modern society is unnatural and we need to smash all technology right down to the level of the toothbrush.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
The 90% of humanity that came before we decided to develop states :^)

Conclusions:

Humans are mostly hunter-gatherers or small farmers. Modern society is unnatural and we need to smash all technology right down to the level of the toothbrush.

You will not take my Rootbeer from me.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
The 90% of humanity that came before we decided to develop states :^)

Conclusions:

Humans are mostly hunter-gatherers or small farmers. Modern society is unnatural and we need to smash all technology right down to the level of the toothbrush.

Anprim paradise.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
The 90% of humanity that came before we decided to develop states :^)

Conclusions:

Humans are mostly hunter-gatherers or small farmers. Modern society is unnatural and we need to smash all technology right down to the level of the toothbrush.

Nay, technology can stay, just destroy current social structures to achieve total socioeconomic equality. :^)

Genivaria wrote:

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Conclusions:

Humans are mostly hunter-gatherers or small farmers. Modern society is unnatural and we need to smash all technology right down to the level of the toothbrush.

You will not take my Rootbeer from me.

does rootbeer count as technology?

New Emeline wrote:

Genivaria wrote:You will not take my Rootbeer from me.

does rootbeer count as technology?

everything is technology, including ourselves believe it or not :^)

Torrocca wrote:

New Emeline wrote:does rootbeer count as technology?

everything is technology, including ourselves believe it or not :^)

hmmm

New Emeline wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
everything is technology, including ourselves believe it or not :^)

hmmm

*human biotechnology intensifies*

West Leas Oros wrote:You can have individual liberty and have a functioning state at the same time. Shocking, I know.

That would be the first stage of Marxist communism.

Torrocca wrote:one of the major themes of anarchy is that the state is constantly oppressing you.

The oppression comes from the bourgeois or capitalist state. A proletarian state, if we ever get there, will, I believe, be emancipatory, not oppressive. That is what Rosa supported.

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:

Torrocca wrote:one of the major themes of anarchy is that the state is constantly oppressing you.

The oppression comes from the bourgeois or capitalist state. A proletarian state, if we ever get there, will, I believe, be emancipatory, not oppressive. That is what Rosa supported.

That makes sense In my opinion. What if we had everything organized into democratic collectives and unions, which were largely self governing, but answered to a sort of regulatory bureau or higher government? A federal system mixed with communist economics?

Torrocca wrote:

West Leas Oros wrote:Non tu.

*cuneiform "no u"*

jokes on you, cuneiform doesn't have a character for "no"

Cekoviu wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
*cuneiform "no u"*

jokes on you, cuneiform doesn't have a character for "no"

*hand-paints cave art expressing disagreement shifting blame to another referred to as "u"*

Torrocca wrote:

Cekoviu wrote:jokes on you, cuneiform doesn't have a character for "no"

*hand-paints cave art expressing disagreement shifting blame to another referred to as "u"*

*grunts in a vaguely antagonistic matter and points in the general direction of your body*

Cekoviu wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
*hand-paints cave art expressing disagreement shifting blame to another referred to as "u"*

*grunts in a vaguely antagonistic matter and points in the general direction of your body*

*aggressively javelins*

Torrocca wrote:

Cekoviu wrote:*grunts in a vaguely antagonistic matter and points in the general direction of your body*

*aggressively javelins*

*pokes with flagellum and begins mitosis*

Cekoviu wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
*aggressively javelins*

*pokes with flagellum and begins mitosis*

*violently replicates*

Torrocca wrote:

Cekoviu wrote:*pokes with flagellum and begins mitosis*

*violently replicates*

*spins electron violently in the hopes that it will hit you and cause a chemical reaction*

Cekoviu wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
*violently replicates*

*spins electron violently in the hopes that it will hit you and cause a chemical reaction*

*experiences a thermonuclear reaction and destroys the entirety of the LWDT*

Torrocca wrote:

Cekoviu wrote:*spins electron violently in the hopes that it will hit you and cause a chemical reaction*

*experiences a thermonuclear reaction and destroys the entirety of the LWDT*

*begins running out of energy, spewing less heat into the void, contributing to universal heat death*

lmao what's even going on in here?

El Hamidah wrote:lmao what's even going on in here?

nej du

Torrocca wrote:

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Conclusions:

Humans are mostly hunter-gatherers or small farmers. Modern society is unnatural and we need to smash all technology right down to the level of the toothbrush.

Nay, technology can stay, just destroy current social structures to achieve total socioeconomic equality. :^)

You can't. Especially if you want to not only keep but also improve technology. The "90% of humanity" that existed before we decided to create States lived in abjectly shitty conditions, with horrendously bad life expectancy. All of that improved only thanks to the creation of States and the social organisation that resulted.
If you remove States, you remove Civilisation itself and you throw humanity back in the dark ages with all the shittiness that implies.

West Leas Oros wrote:That makes sense In my opinion. What if we had everything organized into democratic collectives and unions, which were largely self governing, but answered to a sort of regulatory bureau or higher government? A federal system mixed with communist economics?

I think so, yes. At least those are my personal reflections. Of course, the system may turn out to be completely different.