LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[Pilarcraft]

That's Jihad, not Sharia.

There is also the greater and the lesser ǧihād, with the first being of far greater importance (eliminating nafs or the personal ego). Sadly, some political Muslims or ⫯Islāmiyyāt (Arabic, إِسْلامِيّات) have twisted the lesser ǧihād into a monstrosity which is not supported by ⫯Islām.

Mate. I know. I've had to read through these stuff since I was seven.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Mate. I know. I've had to read through these stuff since I was seven.

Sorry to hear it. That is really young to have to learn about hate and bigotry.

[Genivaria]

No, and if you're going to give that 'sharia means personal struggle' drivel please save it.

There are Muslims who believe their faith should be personal rather than societal, though they are rare. Islam will have a reformation.

It's clear that it desperately needs one.

[Kvatchdom]

There are Muslims who believe their faith should be personal rather than societal, though they are rare. Islam will have a reformation.

It's clear that it desperately needs one.

Won't be long from now I expect. The West just needs to fuck off and stop funding and letting Saudi Arabia build mosques here to let it happen naturally.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Sharia is invariably awful, though. It's pretty amusing to watch a so-called libertarian communist desperately try to defend such things.

Amusing, is it? Are you aware that there are libertarian communists who are Muslims? And no, Šarīʿaẗ is not invariably awful. Are some interpretations of Šarīʿaẗ bad? Certainly, but so are some interpretations of Judaism (extreme political Zionism), Christianity (dominionism and the KKK), and Hinduism (Hindutva).

[Pilarcraft]

No, and if you're going to give that 'sharia means personal struggle' drivel please save it.

There are Muslims who believe their faith should be personal rather than societal, though they are rare. Islam will have a reformation.

Islam had one. It didn't end well. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism)

One can argue that Babiyyat was also a reformation. Islam's had a lot of reformations this last few centuries. None of them ended well for Islam as a religion, IF I'm honest.

[Kvatchdom]

There are Muslims who believe their faith should be personal rather than societal, though they are rare. Islam will have a reformation.

Islam had one. It didn't end well. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism)

One can argue that Babiyyat was also a reformation. Islam's had a lot of reformations this last few centuries. None of them ended well for Islam as a religion, IF I'm honest.

The only reason Wahhabism is a thing is western intervention in the region.

[Genivaria]

There are Muslims who believe their faith should be personal rather than societal, though they are rare. Islam will have a reformation.

Islam had one. It didn't end well. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism)

One can argue that Babiyyat was also a reformation. Islam's had a lot of reformations this last few centuries. None of them ended well for Islam as a religion, IF I'm honest.

That's closer to the Evangelical movement then a reformation.

[Pilarcraft]

Islam had one. It didn't end well. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism)

One can argue that Babiyyat was also a reformation. Islam's had a lot of reformations this last few centuries. None of them ended well for Islam as a religion, IF I'm honest.

The only reason Wahhabism is a thing is western intervention in the region.

The Wahhabi Movement was founded even before the seven-years war though. I mean, sure there were colonial efforts in the region even at that time, but come on.

[Genivaria]

The only reason Wahhabism is a thing is western intervention in the region.

The Wahhabi Movement was founded almost before the seven-years war though. I mean, sure there were colonial efforts in the region even at that time, but come on.

More accurate to say that the main reason for the chief backers of Wahhabism to be as influential as they are is western intervention in the region.
We should've let the Hashemites take over.

[Kvatchdom]

The only reason Wahhabism is a thing is western intervention in the region.

The Wahhabi Movement was founded even before the seven-years war though. I mean, sure there were colonial efforts in the region even at that time, but come on.

Foundation doesn't matter. Without British then and now US aid to Saudi Arabia, Wahhabism would not be the force it is. Not even close. In fact, without British support Saudi Arabia would not exist as it does.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

One can argue that Babiyyat was also a reformation. Islam's had a lot of reformations this last few centuries. None of them ended well for Islam as a religion, IF I'm honest.

Also Shaykhism (Arabic, شَيْخِيَّة, Šay°ẖiyyaẗ), which still exists in parts of the Arabo-Persian Gulf.

[Reikoku]

Thoughts on Jordan Peterson? I found him pretty annoying on a lot of levels, although it seems left-wingers have a tendency to over-demonize his philosophy, which is mostly the same as YT skepticism, just add lobsters.

[Kvatchdom]

Thoughts on Jordan Peterson? I found him pretty annoying on a lot of levels, although it seems left-wingers have a tendency to over-demonize his philosophy, which is mostly the same as YT skepticism, just add lobsters.

He's just silly. But don't tell that to his followers, they'll go on a pseudo-psychological retard rant.

[Genivaria]

Thoughts on Jordan Peterson? I found him pretty annoying on a lot of levels, although it seems left-wingers have a tendency to over-demonize his philosophy, which is mostly the same as YT skepticism, just add lobsters.

Don't know much about him, he dd a debate with Matt Dillahunty apparently.

[Reikoku]

Thoughts on Jordan Peterson? I found him pretty annoying on a lot of levels, although it seems left-wingers have a tendency to over-demonize his philosophy, which is mostly the same as YT skepticism, just add lobsters.

Don't know much about him, he dd a debate with Matt Dillahunty apparently.

The main thing that I remember about him are the lobsters, YouTube skeptic talking points about post-modern Neo-Marxists, and his attempt to force Western concepts of order vs. chaos onto a religion where they don't exist (Taoism).

[Kvatchdom]

One thing I find very silly is western politicians, scientists or psychologists trying to wonder as to why liberal democracy does not spread outside Europe no matter what they try.

[Cekoviu]

Sharia is invariably awful, though. It's pretty amusing to watch a so-called libertarian communist desperately try to defend such things.

Amusing, is it? Are you aware that there are libertarian communists who are Muslims?

Certainly. And they don't necessarily support sharia; the ones who do aren't really libertarian.

And no, Šarīʿaẗ is not invariably awful.

Yes, it is.

Certainly, but so are some interpretations of Judaism (extreme political Zionism), Christianity (dominionism and the KKK), and Hinduism (Hindutva).

I can criticize one thing without accepting another, and Christianity, Judaism, and Hinduism aren't always bad, while sharia is.

Thoughts on Jordan Peterson? I found him pretty annoying on a lot of levels, although it seems left-wingers have a tendency to over-demonize his philosophy, which is mostly the same as YT skepticism, just add lobsters.

Annoying, rather sexist and iirc supports discredited racialist ideas. Don't know too much else about him, but not a fan.
As a side note, I really wish we wouldn't call them "skeptics." Dunno what else is a short name for them, though.

[Reikoku]

Annoying, rather sexist and iirc supports discredited racialist ideas. Don't know too much else about him, but not a fan.
As a side note, I really wish we wouldn't call them "skeptics." Dunno what else is a short name for them, though.

Whenever I refer to them as that, it's usually with a tinge of sarcasm.

[Cekoviu]

Annoying, rather sexist and iirc supports discredited racialist ideas. Don't know too much else about him, but not a fan.
As a side note, I really wish we wouldn't call them "skeptics." Dunno what else is a short name for them, though.

Whenever I refer to them as that, it's usually with a tinge of sarcasm.

I figured as much from you, but those who use it unironically... wheesh.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

The reason why anarchism and communist internationalism will not work or will not be very effective, is because it is outside the human`s rationality. Anarchism`s intentions are not bad, but it is very unrealistic. Abolishing the state could mean the abolition of civilization. Humans need order and structure. And humans are territorial by instinct, much like animals. So a planet with no borders and no government, means that there will have to be mutualism among humans. However, I think that is too far away from human rationality

*Cough*onehundredthousandyearsofhumanhistory*cough*

"Join Anarchism, it'l be like the stone age." Great marketing campaign."

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Thoughts on Jordan Peterson? I found him pretty annoying on a lot of levels, although it seems left-wingers have a tendency to over-demonize his philosophy, which is mostly the same as YT skepticism, just add lobsters.

His philosophy is actually pretty different from non-conservative "skeptics". Sure, there are a lot of similarities, but there's also a lot of differences.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

One thing I find very silly is western politicians, scientists or psychologists trying to wonder as to why liberal democracy does not spread outside Europe no matter what they try.

Why doesn't it spread tho?

[Torrocca]

*Cough*onehundredthousandyearsofhumanhistory*cough*

"Join Anarchism, it'l be like the stone age." Great marketing campaign."

>missing the point this hard

also:

"Join Libertarianism, it'll be like feudalism but with corporations instead!" :^)

[Jelmatt]

Thoughts on Jordan Peterson? I found him pretty annoying on a lot of levels, although it seems left-wingers have a tendency to over-demonize his philosophy, which is mostly the same as YT skepticism, just add lobsters.

He's a bog-standard, everyday conservative whose intellectual dishonesty is only thinly veiled by intelligence and charisma.