LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[United Muscovite Nations]

D...did I just agree with a nationalist?
Forgive me Stalin, I have sinned.

Stalin wasn't exactly an internationalist.

Yeah he was.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

And if you say "I didn't feel like it," what happens? You get fined. If you don't pay the fine, you could theoretically go to jail (though, it's rarely enforced up to that point. You shouldn't illegalize anything unless you're prepared to send people to jail for it.

There's far too many "ifs" in that post. This is a non-issue here because no-one's ever heard of anyone being jailed for not voting. It's really as simple as lying or coughing up twenty dollars. The most I've heard happen is the RTA tacking the fine on when you renew your licence.

Then it's pointless. If it gives minor punishments it's pointless. if it gives major punishments, it's despotic. Either way, it's not good at all.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

If you want to subject yourself to the will of the people without giving input, is that not your choice?

True but then I don't like when people have a choice when their future is concerned.

Then I don't think you support voting at all.

[Cekoviu]

Stalin wasn't exactly an internationalist.

Yeah he was.

Mind expanding on that?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Yeah he was.

Mind expanding on that?

Supported international revolution.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Supported international revolution.

I would say that Stalin paid lip service to international revolution. His own nationalist political activities are more revealing.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Supported international revolution.

I would say that Stalin paid lip service to international revolution. His own nationalist political activities are more revealing.

What nationalist political activities? He armed socialist movements in several countries, and did very little to help his own nation.

[Reikoku]

Supported international revolution.

I would say that Stalin paid lip service to international revolution. His own nationalist political activities are more revealing.

During his early years, wasn't he chided by Lenin for Great-Russian chauvinism?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

What nationalist political activities? He armed socialist movements in several countries, and did very little to help his own nation.

He made no attempts to broaden the bolshevik revolution to other countries. In fact, shortly after World War II, when, of course, the Soviet Union and the U.S. were allies, Stalin made an attempt for continued rapprochement with the U.S. For whatever political reasons, the U.S. declined Stalin's offer. Clearly, Stalin, having just expended considerable human resources in destroying the Third Reich, was looking for peaceful coexistence, not a global proletarian revolution. What true communist leader would want to have an alliance with the U.S.?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

During his early years, wasn't he chided by Lenin for Great-Russian chauvinism?

Yes, that was one of the arguments Trotsky later used against Stalin.

[United Muscovite Nations]

What nationalist political activities? He armed socialist movements in several countries, and did very little to help his own nation.

He made no attempts to broaden the bolshevik revolution to other countries. In fact, shortly after World War II, when, of course, the Soviet Union and the U.S. were allies, Stalin made an attempt for continued rapprochement with the U.S. For whatever political reasons, the U.S. declined Stalin's offer. Clearly, Stalin, having just expended considerable human resources in destroying the Third Reich, was looking for peaceful coexistence, not a global proletarian revolution. What true communist leader would want to have an alliance with the U.S.?

What true communist leader would have subjected the proletariat to more war after the most devastating war in human history?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

What true communist leader would have subjected the proletariat to more war after the most devastating war in human history?

By forming an alliance with the center of global imperialism? Sorry, I can't accept that decision as legitimate. It is why the seeds of failure were in the Russian Revolution from the start. Stalin merely watered those seeds.

[Oil exporting People]

You mean the:

"Incels Affirmative Action Prevention Program"

Thanks for reminding me that Jordan Peterson recently said something along the lines of making "enforced monogamy" a thing to "help" incels.

The more he talks, the closer I get to growling "SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP" at my laptop.

What was the context of this? If in a "force women to be with Incels", then no, that's not going to work out; if he meant restoring proscriptions against Infidelity, then yeah, that's a good idea.

[Genivaria]

What true communist leader would have subjected the proletariat to more war after the most devastating war in human history?

By forming an alliance with the center of global imperialism? Sorry, I can't accept that decision as legitimate. It is why the seeds of failure were in the Russian Revolution from the start. Stalin merely watered those seeds.

Considering that was WW2 that would probably be the British not the US.
But as for your 'no true communist' drivel Stalin was a pragmatist, Trotsky was the idealist.

[Oil exporting People]

What nationalist political activities? He armed socialist movements in several countries, and did very little to help his own nation.

He made no attempts to broaden the bolshevik revolution to other countries. In fact, shortly after World War II, when, of course, the Soviet Union and the U.S. were allies, Stalin made an attempt for continued rapprochement with the U.S. For whatever political reasons, the U.S. declined Stalin's offer. Clearly, Stalin, having just expended considerable human resources in destroying the Third Reich, was looking for peaceful coexistence, not a global proletarian revolution. What true communist leader would want to have an alliance with the U.S.?

Never heard of the Iranian Crisis of 1946? Stalin's demands on Turkey that forced the United States to deploy Naval Taskforces to Istanbul?

[The East Marches II]

What nationalist political activities? He armed socialist movements in several countries, and did very little to help his own nation.

He made no attempts to broaden the bolshevik revolution to other countries. In fact, shortly after World War II, when, of course, the Soviet Union and the U.S. were allies, Stalin made an attempt for continued rapprochement with the U.S. For whatever political reasons, the U.S. declined Stalin's offer. Clearly, Stalin, having just expended considerable human resources in destroying the Third Reich, was looking for peaceful coexistence, not a global proletarian revolution. What true communist leader would want to have an alliance with the U.S.?

In what world do you live that Stalin's offer was in good faith and not for propaganda?

[The East Marches II]

He made no attempts to broaden the bolshevik revolution to other countries. In fact, shortly after World War II, when, of course, the Soviet Union and the U.S. were allies, Stalin made an attempt for continued rapprochement with the U.S. For whatever political reasons, the U.S. declined Stalin's offer. Clearly, Stalin, having just expended considerable human resources in destroying the Third Reich, was looking for peaceful coexistence, not a global proletarian revolution. What true communist leader would want to have an alliance with the U.S.?

Never heard of the Iranian Crisis of 1946? Stalin's demands on Turkey that forced the United States to deploy Naval Taskforces to Istanbul?

I'm sorry Anon that doesn't count

[Reikoku]

I would say that Stalin paid lip service to international revolution. His own nationalist political activities are more revealing.

What nationalist political activities? He armed socialist movements in several countries, and did very little to help his own nation.

Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany armed far-right movements in countries besides their own, but no one disputes they were nationalist.

[Bakery Hill]

By forming an alliance with the center of global imperialism? Sorry, I can't accept that decision as legitimate. It is why the seeds of failure were in the Russian Revolution from the start. Stalin merely watered those seeds.

Considering that was WW2 that would probably be the British not the US.
But as for your 'no true communist' drivel Stalin was a pragmatist, Trotsky was the idealist.

Trotsky had the luxury of ideals in exile, but was also a pragmatist, just with a different analysis.

[Reikoku]

You know my opinion of Franco... We ought to keep these Red Spaniards on the back burner... They're lost to democracy, and to that reactionary crew round Franco too... I believe you to the letter, Speer, that they were impressive people. I must say, in general, that during the civil war the idealism was not on Franco's side; it was to be found among the Reds ... one of these days we'll be able to make use of them... The whole thing will start all over again. But with us on the opposite side.

This would have been extremely interesting had the Nazis ended up backing the Reds in Spain.

[Dumb Ideologies]

You know my opinion of Franco... We ought to keep these Red Spaniards on the back burner... They're lost to democracy, and to that reactionary crew round Franco too... I believe you to the letter, Speer, that they were impressive people. I must say, in general, that during the civil war the idealism was not on Franco's side; it was to be found among the Reds ... one of these days we'll be able to make use of them... The whole thing will start all over again. But with us on the opposite side.

This would have been extremely interesting had the Nazis ended up backing the Reds in Spain.

Strikes me as probably characteristic running-the-mouth grumping from the madman due to Franco not being as piant as hoped rather than something that was a realistic possibility. What's the date on that?

[Reikoku]

This would have been extremely interesting had the Nazis ended up backing the Reds in Spain.

Strikes me as probably characteristic running-the-mouth grumping from the madman due to Franco not being as piant as hoped rather than something that was a realistic possibility. What's the date on that?

Around 1944 - 1945.

While it could just be sour grapes, I wouldn't be surprised were Hitler serious. Based on his and Mussolini's well known anarchic tendencies.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Strikes me as probably characteristic running-the-mouth grumping from the madman due to Franco not being as piant as hoped rather than something that was a realistic possibility. What's the date on that?

Around 1944 - 1945.

While it could just be sour grapes, I wouldn't be surprised were Hitler serious. Based on his and Mussolini's well known anarchic tendencies.

Maybe the influences stuck around longer than everyone thinks. I know what you mean about their early careers and influences, but I'm feeling a galaxy brain revisionist journal article coming on - Hitler's chaotic style of government didn't reflect his shonky personality, he was maintaining the revolutionary dynamic of anarchism. Same with Mussolini's failure to ever properly subdue subject populations.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

What nationalist political activities? He armed socialist movements in several countries, and did very little to help his own nation.

He made no attempts to broaden the bolshevik revolution to other countries.

Considering the Baltic occupation, the Winter War, the invasion of Poland, and the occupation of all of Eastern Europe, I doubt that.

In fact, shortly after World War II, when, of course, the Soviet Union and the U.S. were allies, Stalin made an attempt for continued rapprochement with the U.S. For whatever political reasons, the U.S. declined Stalin's offer.

Probably because Stalin and the Soviet Union were the next threat to the world, as evidenced by the Cold War.

Clearly, Stalin, having just expended considerable human resources in destroying the Third Reich, was looking for peaceful coexistence, not a global proletarian revolution. What true communist leader would want to have an alliance with the U.S.?

You said it yourself, Stalin had just expended considerable human resources and was looking for time to rebuild so he can renew his fight for global supremacy.

[Painisia]

In 1963, a gay bar opened in the Spanish city of Malaga. Under the rule of Franco. I guess Franco wasn't that conservative after all