LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[Liriena]

Assumptions much?

Why bring up the far-right in this context of me criticizing the progressive left and saying my criticism cedes them credibility?

Mmm... I may have jumped the gun there a bit. Since we were talking about white identity politics and the Overton window as of late has shifted in a very scary direction because of them, I kind of felt like speaking in broader terms of "right-wing" was a bit too generous. Most principled conservatives and right-wing libertarians ain't my comrades, but I don't assume that most of them buy into white identity politics all that much.

That's precisely the kind of toxic thinking that has led the progressive movement into becoming a trainwreck that doesn't engage with criticism and as a consequence never improves. It's as ridiculous as thinking that nobody should criticize the republican party or stalinists will take over.

That's you.
That's how progressives sound.

What's hysterical is you've basically turned it into your only trick and keep saying it over and over. There's a reason you're losing the culture war.

Nah.

[Conserative Morality]

I'd say it includes everyone who talks about racism and sexism without including misandry and anti-white racism, especially those hostile to those concepts being included, who thinks their views cover racism and sexism against all groups, despite those omissions.

MLK did not claim to be addressing all racism, and did not attempt to claim he was a panacea, and did not use that arrogant belief as license to shut down and harass anyone who talked about problems facing other groups.

Classic fursecution complex.

[Mannslayarr]

Why bring up the far-right in this context of me criticizing the progressive left and saying my criticism cedes them credibility? That's precisely the kind of toxic thinking that has led the progressive movement into becoming a trainwreck that doesn't engage with criticism and as a consequence never improves. It's as ridiculous as thinking that nobody should criticize the republican party or stalinists will take over.

That's you.
That's how progressives sound.

What's hysterical is you've basically turned it into your only trick and keep saying it over and over. There's a reason you're losing the culture war.

Ostro, 1945: "Ha ha, those decadent liberals will never win! Deutschland uber alles!"

Deutschland nuked. Kill the men, kill the whites.

[Irou]

Then why call someone left or right at all?

"Left" and "right" aren't numbers, dude.

according to your classification where are you? And the people on this thread?

[Liriena]

Quick question: does your "progressive ideology" include post-modern leftists (including post-modern feminists) who reject identity politics? Where would you place, say, MLK, Malcolm X or the original Black Panthers?

I'd say it includes everyone who talks about racism and sexism without including misandry and anti-white racism, especially those hostile to those concepts being included, who thinks their views cover racism and sexism against all groups, despite those omissions.

So... anyone who doesn't explicitly pander to white male identity politics. Got it.

MLK did not claim to be addressing all racism, and did not attempt to claim he was a panacea, and did not use that arrogant belief as license to shut down and harass anyone who talked about problems facing other groups.

So your complaint boils down to... bad labelling? Progressives labelling their activism as universalist rather than... "particularist"?

[Ostroeuropa]

I'd say it includes everyone who talks about racism and sexism without including misandry and anti-white racism, especially those hostile to those concepts being included, who thinks their views cover racism and sexism against all groups, despite those omissions.

MLK did not claim to be addressing all racism, and did not attempt to claim he was a panacea, and did not use that arrogant belief as license to shut down and harass anyone who talked about problems facing other groups.

Classic fursecution complex.

I've at length discussed the institutional sexism men face and the failures of the left to confront it. You're merely unwilling to admit the inadequacy of your worldview and it's inability to accurately describe reality, and so have to resort to this kind of thing.

[Liriena]

If anyone tries to kill me or any of my other white brothers or sisters then you will be on the receiving end of a very, very long barrel...

I'm pretty sure nobody is talking seriously about white genocide.

[Jackania yugo]

If anyone tries to kill me or any of my other white brothers or sisters then you will be on the receiving end of a very, very long barrel...

on the right track to being being alt-right
collectivism, racial pride, idpol, and violence

I had a feeling you would take it that way.

I nearly went there, but then I knew the Nazis were deplorable pieces of shit. Now I'm centrist or something...maybe social democrat...need to take a test again.

[Mannslayarr]

I'd say it includes everyone who talks about racism and sexism without including misandry and anti-white racism, especially those hostile to those concepts being included, who thinks their views cover racism and sexism against all groups, despite those omissions.

So... anyone who doesn't explicitly pander to white male identity politics. Got it.

MLK did not claim to be addressing all racism, and did not attempt to claim he was a panacea, and did not use that arrogant belief as license to shut down and harass anyone who talked about problems facing other groups.

So your complaint boils down to... bad labelling? Progressives labelling their activism as universalist rather than... "particularist"?

Identity politics are good, but I refuse to let the white men usurp it like they usurped fascism.

[Liriena]

Why bring up the far-right in this context of me criticizing the progressive left and saying my criticism cedes them credibility?

Mmm... I may have jumped the gun there a bit. Since we were talking about white identity politics and the Overton window as of late has shifted in a very scary direction because of them, I kind of felt like speaking in broader terms of "right-wing" was a bit too generous. Most principled conservatives and right-wing libertarians ain't my comrades, but I don't assume that most of them buy into white identity politics all that much.

That's precisely the kind of toxic thinking that has led the progressive movement into becoming a trainwreck that doesn't engage with criticism and as a consequence never improves. It's as ridiculous as thinking that nobody should criticize the republican party or stalinists will take over.

That's you.
That's how progressives sound.

What's hysterical is you've basically turned it into your only trick and keep saying it over and over. There's a reason you're losing the culture war.

Nah.

Also, I'd take this opportunity to namedrop the idea of asymmetric polarization.

[Jackania yugo]

If anyone tries to kill me or any of my other white brothers or sisters then you will be on the receiving end of a very, very long barrel...

I'm pretty sure nobody is talking seriously about white genocide.

I know, just playing along with.

But if they are...

*remembers you can't buy guns in the UK*

...F*ck!

[Liriena]

I'm pretty sure nobody is talking seriously about white genocide.

I know, just playing along with.

But if they are...

*remembers you can't buy guns in the UK*

...F*ck!

Buy a crossbow, duh. Crossbows are cooler anyway.

[Firaxin]

If anyone tries to kill me or any of my other white brothers or sisters then you will be on the receiving end of a very, very long barrel...

I'm pretty sure nobody is talking seriously about white genocide.

No, it's the absolute truth no one actually advocates for it here. Mannslayar is clearly a very entertaining troll, but they are going too over the top for anyone to actually take them seriously.

[Mannslayarr]

Mmm... I may have jumped the gun there a bit. Since we were talking about white identity politics and the Overton window as of late has shifted in a very scary direction because of them, I kind of felt like speaking in broader terms of "right-wing" was a bit too generous. Most principled conservatives and right-wing libertarians ain't my comrades, but I don't assume that most of them buy into white identity politics all that much.


Nah.

Also, I'd take this opportunity to namedrop the idea of asymmetric polarization.

It’s not about left and right, white men are white men, whether democrat or republican, but the republicans will be hanged first.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'd say it includes everyone who talks about racism and sexism without including misandry and anti-white racism, especially those hostile to those concepts being included, who thinks their views cover racism and sexism against all groups, despite those omissions.

So... anyone who doesn't explicitly pander to white male identity politics. Got it.

MLK did not claim to be addressing all racism, and did not attempt to claim he was a panacea, and did not use that arrogant belief as license to shut down and harass anyone who talked about problems facing other groups.

So your complaint boils down to... bad labelling? Progressives labelling their activism as universalist rather than... "particularist"?

No. Everyone who isn't inclusive of male issues and white issues while still shilling for women and minority issues to be addressed. That's not "Pandering." and you are, once again, over-reacting and assuming things not said because you've been trained by the progressive worldview into being hostile and unfair to anyone discussing this topic. You are not an honest actor here, and you repeatedly show it. That's what worldviews that foster prejudice do to people. Because progressives keep acting this way and hurling out hyperbolic accusations and demonizing their critics, often using that demonization as an excuse to shut down and harass groups, they are a racist and sexist movement that is actively hostile to misandry and anti-white racism having a place in political discourse. If someone was constantly hostile to all instances of anti-black racism being brought up and kept saying stupid shit like "So you're saying anyone who doesn't pander to the black panthers is racist, got it." they'd be like you are here. Guess what. Those people exist, and you're both a reflection of eachother. The difference is, society recognizes the latter as nonsense already, whereas with your movement it might take another few years.

[Jackania yugo]

So... anyone who doesn't explicitly pander to white male identity politics. Got it.


So your complaint boils down to... bad labelling? Progressives labelling their activism as universalist rather than... "particularist"?

No. Everyone who isn't inclusive of male issues and white issues while still shilling for women and minority issues to be addressed. That's not "Pandering." and you are, once again, over-reacting and assuming things not said because you've been trained by the progressive worldview into being hostile and unfair to anyone discussing this topic. You are not an honest actor here, and you repeatedly show it. That's what worldviews that foster prejudice do to people. Because progressives keep acting this way and hurling out hyperbolic accusations and demonizing their critics, often using that demonization as an excuse to shut down and harass groups, they are a racist and sexist movement that is actively hostile to misandry and anti-white racism having a place in political discourse. If someone was constantly hostile to all instances of anti-black racism being brought up and kept saying stupid shit like "So you're saying anyone who doesn't pander to the black panthers is racist, got it." they'd be like you are here. Guess what. Those people exist, and you're both a reflection of eachother. The difference is, society recognizes the latter as nonsense already, whereas with your movement it might take another few years.

One question...do you think the earth is flat?

[Mannslayarr]

I'm pretty sure nobody is talking seriously about white genocide.

No, it's the absolute truth no one actually advocates for it here. Mannslayar is clearly a very entertaining troll, but they are going too over the top for anyone to actually take them seriously.

No, I mean what I said. The only thing Hitler did wrong is that he targeted the wrong people.

[Painisia]

But Ostro, your party Labour has surely been advocating "progressive left" policies in the last years? Especially under Corbyn

[Mannslayarr]

But Ostro, your party Labour has surely been advocating "progressive left" policies in the last years? Especially under Corbyn

Corbyn will be hanged like the rest. Hell, I’d bomb Westminster if I could.

[Irou]

No, it's the absolute truth no one actually advocates for it here. Mannslayar is clearly a very entertaining troll, but they are going too over the top for anyone to actually take them seriously.

No, I mean what I said. The only thing Hitler did wrong is that he targeted the wrong people.

Christians

[Mannslayarr]

No, I mean what I said. The only thing Hitler did wrong is that he targeted the wrong people.

Christians

No. He persecuted Jews, but I have no problems with jews, it’s the whites and men who are evil. They are the true Untermensch, to use the term.

[Liriena]

you've been trained by the progressive worldview

Fooking hell, Ostro. If I've been in anyway "trained", it's probably been by Marxism-Leninism, not Anglo "progressivism".

This is projection, nothing more.

[Painisia]

But Ostro, your party Labour has surely been advocating "progressive left" policies in the last years? Especially under Corbyn

Corbyn will be hanged like the rest. Hell, I’d bomb Westminster if I could.

Oh la la la la! Mannslayarr. Furious right now! Doesn't like vanilla ice cream! Mannslayarr. Hates the progressives! Oh la la la la!

[Conserative Morality]

you've been trained by the progressive worldview

Fooking hell, Ostro. If I've been in anyway "trained", it's probably been by Marxism-Leninism, not Anglo "progressivism".

This is projection, nothing more.

Anglo Progressivism is cultural Marxism, don't you know? =^)

[Mannslayarr]

Corbyn will be hanged like the rest. Hell, I’d bomb Westminster if I could.

Oh la la la la! Mannslayarr. Furious right now! Doesn't like vanilla ice cream! Mannslayarr. Hates the progressives! Oh la la la la!

No need to be a jerk about it. I hate progressives, only because they are too cozied up with the dirty white men. Just saying.