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Favorite Left Wing Novelist or Playwright

George Orwell
141
63%
Leo Tolstoy
28
13%
Maxim Gorky
4
2%
Oscar Wilde
17
8%
John Sommerfield
1
0%
Nikolay Ostrovsky
3
1%
Andrei Bely
1
0%
John Steinbeck
22
10%
Arthur Miller
6
3%
 
Total votes : 223

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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri May 18, 2018 10:56 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:There's a difference. Their jewishness is not related to their capitalist exploitation of people.
Progressives?
That's an ideology, a movement, and it's fair to note common abuses and themes that are sourced in it.

"Far-right ideology." this is the kind of toxic thinking that has led to this problem. Merely because someone rejects the progressive left does not make them far-right, and the insistence that it does is one of the problems with the progressive left.

Of course, they're not far-right, they're just citizens concerned about the influenced of the JEWS and criminality of the BLACKS

Nothing wrong here. :)
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Postby Mannslayarr » Fri May 18, 2018 10:56 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Liriena wrote:I'll admit that particular post of mine was flawed, to put it mildly. But I do stand by my general thesis that you are being too generous towards the right and placing an excessive amount of responsibility on us. You are being, in my opinion, extremely simplistic and lending far more credence to the fundamentals of far right ideology than it deserves. This is akin to saying "well, the far right is wrong about there being an international Jewish conspiracy to establish a New World Order and gulag the entire white race... buuuuuuuuuuut there are a lot of Jews in the media and financial sectors, no?"


There's a difference. Their jewishness is not related to their capitalist exploitation of people.
Progressives?
That's an ideology, a movement, and it's fair to note common abuses and themes that are sourced in it.

"Far-right ideology." this is the kind of toxic thinking that has led to this problem. Merely because someone rejects the progressive left does not make them far-right, and the insistence that it does is one of the problems with the progressive left.

Progressives don’t take it far enough imo, white men should die, no compromise.

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Postby Painisia » Fri May 18, 2018 10:56 am

West Leas Oros wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:That Strawman works better as a scarecrow, buddy.

No, I mean it. They should be killed.

Kill me now if you want
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Postby Mannslayarr » Fri May 18, 2018 10:57 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:There's a difference. Their jewishness is not related to their capitalist exploitation of people.
Progressives?
That's an ideology, a movement, and it's fair to note common abuses and themes that are sourced in it.

"Far-right ideology." this is the kind of toxic thinking that has led to this problem. Merely because someone rejects the progressive left does not make them far-right, and the insistence that it does is one of the problems with the progressive left.

Of course, they're not far-right, they're just citizens concerned about the influenced of the JEWS and criminality of the BLACKS

Nothing wrong here. :)

Imo, all white men are far right fascists, and should be shot on sight.

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Postby Mannslayarr » Fri May 18, 2018 10:57 am

Painisia wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:No, I mean it. They should be killed.

Kill me now if you want

Are you a white man?

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Postby Liriena » Fri May 18, 2018 10:57 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Liriena wrote:I wonder if Argies would get spared. :P

Hola!

Well, he does sound better than Macri. He has my vote. :P
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri May 18, 2018 10:57 am

Mannslayarr wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Of course, they're not far-right, they're just citizens concerned about the influenced of the JEWS and criminality of the BLACKS

Nothing wrong here. :)

Imo, all white men are far right fascists, and should be shot on sight.

This shit is gonna get you banned even if it is sarcastic.
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Postby Irou » Fri May 18, 2018 10:58 am

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Jackania yugo wrote:No! No killing of white people or black people. This shit needs to stop, let's just all calm TF down and be all egalitarian and centrist and nice and peaceful and space loving. Just calm down, take deep breaths, and...relax.

Egalitarianism is a tool of oppression made by white men to make the oppressed complacent, and is essentially treason against the oppressed people.

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Postby Liriena » Fri May 18, 2018 10:58 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:"Far-right ideology." this is the kind of toxic thinking that has led to this problem. Merely because someone rejects the progressive left does not make them far-right, and the insistence that it does is one of the problems with the progressive left.

Assumptions much?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri May 18, 2018 10:58 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:There's a difference. Their jewishness is not related to their capitalist exploitation of people.
Progressives?
That's an ideology, a movement, and it's fair to note common abuses and themes that are sourced in it.

"Far-right ideology." this is the kind of toxic thinking that has led to this problem. Merely because someone rejects the progressive left does not make them far-right, and the insistence that it does is one of the problems with the progressive left.

Of course, they're not far-right, they're just citizens concerned about the influenced of the JEWS and criminality of the BLACKS

Nothing wrong here. :)


Are you saying everyone who rejects progressive ideology believe the thing about Jews and Blacks you just asserted?
Or were you being deliberately disingenuous?
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Postby Mannslayarr » Fri May 18, 2018 10:58 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Mannslayarr wrote:Imo, all white men are far right fascists, and should be shot on sight.

This shit is gonna get you banned even if it is sarcastic.

The mods are controlled by the white men, they are just another cog in the machine.

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Postby Firaxin » Fri May 18, 2018 10:58 am

Mannslayarr wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Of course, they're not far-right, they're just citizens concerned about the influenced of the JEWS and criminality of the BLACKS

Nothing wrong here. :)

Imo, all white men are far right fascists, and should be shot on sight.

Do you want to destroy any respect anyone has for you? Because this is how you destroy any respect for you.

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Postby Pilarcraft » Fri May 18, 2018 10:59 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Of course, they're not far-right, they're just citizens concerned about the influenced of the JEWS and criminality of the BLACKS

Nothing wrong here. :)


Are you saying everyone who rejects progressive ideology believe the thing about Jews and Blacks you just asserted?
Or were you being deliberately disingenuous?
The groups who are seen as Far-right tend to be "concerned about the influenced of the JEWS and criminality of the BLACKS", more like.
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Postby Mannslayarr » Fri May 18, 2018 10:59 am

Firaxin wrote:
Mannslayarr wrote:Imo, all white men are far right fascists, and should be shot on sight.

Do you want to destroy any respect anyone has for you? Because this is how you destroy any respect for you.

I don’t need your respect. I don’t take respect from oppressors.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri May 18, 2018 10:59 am

Liriena wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:"Far-right ideology." this is the kind of toxic thinking that has led to this problem. Merely because someone rejects the progressive left does not make them far-right, and the insistence that it does is one of the problems with the progressive left.

Assumptions much?


Why bring up the far-right in this context of me criticizing the progressive left and saying my criticism cedes them credibility? That's precisely the kind of toxic thinking that has led the progressive movement into becoming a trainwreck that doesn't engage with criticism and as a consequence never improves. It's as ridiculous as thinking that nobody should criticize the republican party or stalinists will take over.

That's you.
That's how progressives sound.

What's hysterical is you've basically turned it into your only trick and keep saying it over and over. There's a reason you're losing the culture war.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Jackania yugo » Fri May 18, 2018 11:00 am

If anyone tries to kill me or any of my other white brothers or sisters then you will be on the receiving end of a very, very long barrel...
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Postby Firaxin » Fri May 18, 2018 11:00 am

Mannslayarr wrote:
Firaxin wrote:Do you want to destroy any respect anyone has for you? Because this is how you destroy any respect for you.

I don’t need your respect. I don’t take respect from oppressors.

>Implying I oppress you
>Implying I have any respect left

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Postby Painisia » Fri May 18, 2018 11:01 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Liriena wrote:Assumptions much?


Why bring up the far-right in this context of me criticizing the progressive left and saying my criticism cedes them credibility? That's precisely the kind of toxic thinking that has led the progressive movement into becoming a trainwreck that doesn't engage with criticism and as a consequence never improves. It's as ridiculous as thinking that nobody should criticize the republican party or stalinists will take over.

That's you.
That's how progressives sound.

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Postby Mannslayarr » Fri May 18, 2018 11:01 am

Jackania yugo wrote:If anyone tries to kill me or any of my other white brothers or sisters then you will be on the receiving end of a very, very long barrel...

Not on my watch. I’ll have you vile whites hanged.

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Postby Liriena » Fri May 18, 2018 11:01 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Of course, they're not far-right, they're just citizens concerned about the influenced of the JEWS and criminality of the BLACKS

Nothing wrong here. :)


Are you saying everyone who rejects progressive ideology believe the thing about Jews and Blacks you just asserted?
Or were you being deliberately disingenuous?

Quick question: does your "progressive ideology" include post-modern leftists (including post-modern feminists) who reject identity politics? Where would you place, say, MLK, Malcolm X or the original Black Panthers?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri May 18, 2018 11:02 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Why bring up the far-right in this context of me criticizing the progressive left and saying my criticism cedes them credibility? That's precisely the kind of toxic thinking that has led the progressive movement into becoming a trainwreck that doesn't engage with criticism and as a consequence never improves. It's as ridiculous as thinking that nobody should criticize the republican party or stalinists will take over.

That's you.
That's how progressives sound.

What's hysterical is you've basically turned it into your only trick and keep saying it over and over. There's a reason you're losing the culture war.

:rofl:

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Postby Irou » Fri May 18, 2018 11:03 am

Jackania yugo wrote:If anyone tries to kill me or any of my other white brothers or sisters then you will be on the receiving end of a very, very long barrel...

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Postby Painisia » Fri May 18, 2018 11:03 am

Mannslayarr wrote:
Jackania yugo wrote:If anyone tries to kill me or any of my other white brothers or sisters then you will be on the receiving end of a very, very long barrel...

Not on my watch. I’ll have you vile whites hanged.

I see that you ain´t liking vanilla ice cream
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri May 18, 2018 11:04 am

Liriena wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Are you saying everyone who rejects progressive ideology believe the thing about Jews and Blacks you just asserted?
Or were you being deliberately disingenuous?

Quick question: does your "progressive ideology" include post-modern leftists (including post-modern feminists) who reject identity politics? Where would you place, say, MLK, Malcolm X or the original Black Panthers?


I'd say it includes everyone who talks about racism and sexism without including misandry and anti-white racism, especially those hostile to those concepts being included, who thinks their views cover racism and sexism against all groups, despite those omissions.

MLK did not claim to be addressing all racism, and did not attempt to claim he was a panacea, and did not use that arrogant belief as license to shut down and harass anyone who talked about problems facing other groups.
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri May 18, 2018 11:05 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Politics can't be quantified.

Then why call someone left or right at all?

"Left" and "right" aren't numbers, dude.

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