LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[Liriena]

I wonder if Ostro ever thought of applying the same logic to "misandrists" and "anti-white racists". Maybe people hate white men for good reasons?

Because white men are evil by nature, and should be gulaged.

No need. If Lauren Southern is anything to go by, we're all getting ethnically replaced in the next couple decades anyway.

[Ostroeuropa]

"It only works because it's true at the core"

"The media peddles bullshit people believe about sexism against women and racism against minorities! What nonsense!"

:thonk:

I wonder if Ostro ever thought of applying the same logic to "misandrists" and "anti-white racists". Maybe people hate white men for good reasons? Maybe progressive identity politics are right and white men deserve, at the core, to be the target of misandry and racism?

This is a pretty shitty post from you. What part of my post suggests I said this was the logic? That women/minorities deserve racism?

Apparently neither you nor CM are capable or willing to engage fairly on this topic and have to leap to hyperbolic accusations without basis in order to defend your lurid little movement.

[Liriena]

Hours and hours on how the republican party was actively socialistic would fall on deaf ears because of how incoherent that would be and how it doesn't align with reality.

Does the media peddle bullshit? Absolutely. But it only works because of the kernel of truth at the core of the stories, that the democratic party and many left wingers are misandrists and anti-white in rhetoric and often policy too.
It's not a coincidence that males skew republican too.

Additionally, if we're noting the media's nonsense on this, why don't we discuss how the media peddles nonsense examples of sexism against women and racism against minorities?

It's no different there.

Media alternatives like breitbart arose specifically because of the prevalence of progressive identity politics, misandry, and anti-white racism in the media, with only really Fox avoiding it. (Fox, to their credit, are the only major news network in the US that did a months segment on mens issues and didn't waffle about how it's their own fault for being sexists.)

You keep trying to avoid responsibility for it.

This is not something the right wing has been doing very long, actively shilling for the notion that misandry/anti-white racism is prevalent. They can do it because it's true.

Islamophilia too.

And you keep pushing all of the responsibility on us and acting like there's no way white men could ever embrace racism and misogyny for fundamentally wrong reasons.

Also, in the particular context of American society, you can kindly fook off with the "Islamophilia" bullshit. American Muslims are statisically more liberal than American Evangelicals.

[West Leas Oros]

Because white men are evil by nature, and should be gulaged.

No need. If Lauren Southern is anything to go by, we're all getting ethnically replaced in the next couple decades anyway.

It doesn’t matter, because whites should be exterminated as soon as possible, so as not to waste time.

[Firaxin]

"It only works because it's true at the core"

"The media peddles bullshit people believe about sexism against women and racism against minorities! What nonsense!"

:thonk:

I wonder if Ostro ever thought of applying the same logic to "misandrists" and "anti-white racists". Maybe people hate white men for good reasons? Maybe progressive identity politics are right and white men deserve, at the core, to be the target of misandry and racism?

Wrath actively results in a cycle of violent revenge. If you think white men should be victims, you are asking for permanent racism and sexism

[Ostroeuropa]

I wonder if Ostro ever thought of applying the same logic to "misandrists" and "anti-white racists". Maybe people hate white men for good reasons? Maybe progressive identity politics are right and white men deserve, at the core, to be the target of misandry and racism?

MRAs are unfairly maligned, but feminist bitches get what they deserve.

Which MRM policy would institutionally disadvantage women if it were enforced?
I.E, which MRM policy is demanding prejudice+power be applied to women?

I've got some Feminist ones and you know it.

Yes, MRAs are unfairly maligned, and feminists are disliked for what their movement actually is and the system it imposes, despite the media routinely shilling for them.

[Pilarcraft]

Is it really surprising that after, I think, more than a year of on-and-off activity on this forum, I still have no idea what the political beliefs of the frequenters of this forum is?
(apart from exceptions such as Ostro being a devoted anti-feminist)

[Ostroeuropa]

Hours and hours on how the republican party was actively socialistic would fall on deaf ears because of how incoherent that would be and how it doesn't align with reality.

Does the media peddle bullshit? Absolutely. But it only works because of the kernel of truth at the core of the stories, that the democratic party and many left wingers are misandrists and anti-white in rhetoric and often policy too.
It's not a coincidence that males skew republican too.

Additionally, if we're noting the media's nonsense on this, why don't we discuss how the media peddles nonsense examples of sexism against women and racism against minorities?

It's no different there.

Media alternatives like breitbart arose specifically because of the prevalence of progressive identity politics, misandry, and anti-white racism in the media, with only really Fox avoiding it. (Fox, to their credit, are the only major news network in the US that did a months segment on mens issues and didn't waffle about how it's their own fault for being sexists.)

You keep trying to avoid responsibility for it.

This is not something the right wing has been doing very long, actively shilling for the notion that misandry/anti-white racism is prevalent. They can do it because it's true.

Islamophilia too.

And you keep pushing all of the responsibility on us and acting like there's no way white men could ever embrace racism and misogyny for fundamentally wrong reasons.

It's pointless to discuss the republican party changing, i'm not a right winger. Yes, i'm pushing all the responsibility onto the left because they're the ones who can and must change.

[Conserative Morality]

This is a pretty shitty post from you. What part of my post suggests I said this was the logic? That women/minorities deserve racism?

Apparently neither you nor CM are capable or willing to engage fairly on this topic and have to leap to hyperbolic accusations without basis in order to defend your lurid little movement.

Oh, no, I changed to mocking you years ago, once I realized how absurd your positions were and how resistant you were to the idea that everything wasn't the fault of THOSE FEMINIST BITCHES AAAARRRGH

[Mannslayarr]

This is a pretty shitty post from you. What part of my post suggests I said this was the logic? That women/minorities deserve racism?

Apparently neither you nor CM are capable or willing to engage fairly on this topic and have to leap to hyperbolic accusations without basis in order to defend your lurid little movement.

Oh, no, I changed to mocking you years ago, once I realized how absurd your positions were and how resistant you were to the idea that everything wasn't the fault of THOSE FEMINIST BITCHES AAAARRRGH

Everything is the fault of white men, who, to steal a term, are the untermensch of the world.

[Ostroeuropa]

This is a pretty shitty post from you. What part of my post suggests I said this was the logic? That women/minorities deserve racism?

Apparently neither you nor CM are capable or willing to engage fairly on this topic and have to leap to hyperbolic accusations without basis in order to defend your lurid little movement.

Oh, no, I changed to mocking you years ago, once I realized how absurd your positions were and how resistant you were to the idea that everything wasn't the fault of THOSE FEMINIST BITCHES AAAARRRGH

I notice you don't ever bother to actually engage with the points I make and you're insisting on adding "Bitches" there despite me not using that term, and despite me specifically noting the difference between feminists and women plenty of times.

Apparently you seem to think a feminist has to be a woman. Quite shocking sexism from you there, unless ofcourse, you're merely being disingenuous and trying to pretend i'm being misogynist because you have no credibility, no argument, and nothing but hyperbolic lies to defend yourself and your peers.

I'm aware you changed to mocking me. You have nothing else.

[Conserative Morality]

Oh, no, I changed to mocking you years ago, once I realized how absurd your positions were and how resistant you were to the idea that everything wasn't the fault of THOSE FEMINIST BITCHES AAAARRRGH

I notice you don't ever bother to actually engage with the points I make and you're insisting on adding "Bitches" there despite me not using that term, and despite me specifically noting the difference between feminists and women plenty of times.

Apparently you seem to think a feminist has to be a woman. Quite shocking sexism from you there, unless ofcourse, you're merely being disingenuous and trying to pretend i'm being misogynist because you have no credibility, no argument, and nothing but hyperbolic lies to defend yourself and your peers.

I'm aware you changed to mocking me. You have nothing else.

I have plenty else. I just don't like wasting effort on people who aren't worth it.

Much better simply to highlight the absurdity of your views.

[Liriena]

I wonder if Ostro ever thought of applying the same logic to "misandrists" and "anti-white racists". Maybe people hate white men for good reasons? Maybe progressive identity politics are right and white men deserve, at the core, to be the target of misandry and racism?

This is a pretty shitty post from you. What part of my post suggests I said this was the logic? That women/minorities deserve racism?

Apparently neither you nor CM are capable or willing to engage fairly on this topic and have to leap to hyperbolic accusations without basis in order to defend your lurid little movement.

I'll admit that particular post of mine was flawed, to put it mildly. But I do stand by my general thesis that you are being too generous towards the right and placing an excessive amount of responsibility on us. You are being, in my opinion, extremely simplistic and lending far more credence to the fundamentals of far right ideology than it deserves. This is akin to saying "well, the far right is wrong about there being an international Jewish conspiracy to establish a New World Order and gulag the entire white race... buuuuuuuuuuut there are a lot of Jews in the media and financial sectors, no?"

[Dumb Ideologies]

Is it really surprising that after, I think, more than a year of on-and-off activity on this forum, I still have no idea what the political beliefs of the frequenters of this forum is?
(apart from exceptions such as Ostro being a devoted anti-feminist)

It is quite surprising. I've picked up on the broad themes and emphases of people's politics at least, if not sometimes some of the finer detail.

Is there a possibility of recent alien abduction and a brain switcheroo between your body and a chihuahua?

[Ostroeuropa]

I notice you don't ever bother to actually engage with the points I make and you're insisting on adding "Bitches" there despite me not using that term, and despite me specifically noting the difference between feminists and women plenty of times.

Apparently you seem to think a feminist has to be a woman. Quite shocking sexism from you there, unless ofcourse, you're merely being disingenuous and trying to pretend i'm being misogynist because you have no credibility, no argument, and nothing but hyperbolic lies to defend yourself and your peers.

I'm aware you changed to mocking me. You have nothing else.

I have plenty else. I just don't like wasting effort on people who aren't worth it.

Much better simply to highlight the absurdity of your views.

You haven't highlighted an absurdity, you're just constructed a straw-man and mocked it. Why would anyone believe you have a proper argument when you're acting dishonestly in front of everyone?

[Jackania yugo]

No! No killing of white people or black people. This shit needs to stop, let's just all calm TF down and be all egalitarian and centrist and nice and peaceful and space loving. Just calm down, take deep breaths, and...relax.

[Liriena]

No need. If Lauren Southern is anything to go by, we're all getting ethnically replaced in the next couple decades anyway.

It doesn’t matter, because whites should be exterminated as soon as possible, so as not to waste time.

I wonder if Argies would get spared.

[Liriena]

No! No killing of white people or black people. This shit needs to stop, let's just all calm TF down and be all egalitarian and centrist and nice and peaceful and space loving. Just calm down, take deep breaths, and...relax.

I agree wholeheartedly, except for the whole "centrist" part.

[Conserative Morality]

It doesn’t matter, because whites should be exterminated as soon as possible, so as not to waste time.

I wonder if Argies would get spared.

Hola!

[Dumb Ideologies]

No! No killing of white people or black people. This shit needs to stop, let's just all calm TF down and be all egalitarian and centrist and nice and peaceful and space loving. Just calm down, take deep breaths, and...relax.

Hate space, kill green people.

[Firaxin]

No! No killing of white people or black people. This shit needs to stop, let's just all calm TF down and be all egalitarian and centrist and nice and peaceful and space loving. Just calm down, take deep breaths, and...relax.

I agree with most of this...

...except the centrist part

[Ostroeuropa]

This is a pretty shitty post from you. What part of my post suggests I said this was the logic? That women/minorities deserve racism?

Apparently neither you nor CM are capable or willing to engage fairly on this topic and have to leap to hyperbolic accusations without basis in order to defend your lurid little movement.

I'll admit that particular post of mine was flawed, to put it mildly. But I do stand by my general thesis that you are being too generous towards the right and placing an excessive amount of responsibility on us. You are being, in my opinion, extremely simplistic and lending far more credence to the fundamentals of far right ideology than it deserves. This is akin to saying "well, the far right is wrong about there being an international Jewish conspiracy to establish a New World Order and gulag the entire white race... buuuuuuuuuuut there are a lot of Jews in the media and financial sectors, no?"

There's a difference. Their jewishness is not related to their capitalist exploitation of people.
Progressives?
That's an ideology, a movement, and it's fair to note common abuses and themes that are sourced in it.

"Far-right ideology." this is the kind of toxic thinking that has led to this problem. Merely because someone rejects the progressive left does not make them far-right, and the insistence that it does is one of the problems with the progressive left.

[Pilarcraft]

Is it really surprising that after, I think, more than a year of on-and-off activity on this forum, I still have no idea what the political beliefs of the frequenters of this forum is?
(apart from exceptions such as Ostro being a devoted anti-feminist)

It is quite surprising. I've picked up on the broad themes and emphases of people's politics at least, if not sometimes some of the finer detail.

Is there a possibility of recent alien abduction and a brain switcheroo between your body and a chihuahua?

I don't mean I have no idea what anyone here believes in (or, at least, argues for/against). What I mean is that exceptions aside (like the aforementioned Ostro, or (though he's not really a frequenter) West Leas Oros, etc.) I can't predict, beforehand, what any frequenter here would argue for in a new situation based on previous data.

[Liriena]

Is it really surprising that after, I think, more than a year of on-and-off activity on this forum, I still have no idea what the political beliefs of the frequenters of this forum is?
(apart from exceptions such as Ostro being a devoted anti-feminist)

It is quite surprising. I've picked up on the broad themes and emphases of people's politics at least, if not sometimes some of the finer detail.

Is there a possibility of recent alien abduction and a brain switcheroo between your body and a chihuahua?

Someone's been watching Mars Attacks! ;3

[Mannslayarr]

No! No killing of white people or black people. This shit needs to stop, let's just all calm TF down and be all egalitarian and centrist and nice and peaceful and space loving. Just calm down, take deep breaths, and...relax.

Egalitarianism is a tool of oppression made by white men to make the oppressed complacent, and is essentially treason against the oppressed people.