LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[Great Minarchistan]

Add another reason why I despise neoliberals. Along with the smug sense of "just stop being poor" they carry around with them like a putrid aura. They are the embodiment of the decay society experiences, and I could not hate it more if I tried.

Did you just call me a neoliberal? :thronking:

[Mattopilos II]

Add another reason why I despise neoliberals. Along with the smug sense of "just stop being poor" they carry around with them like a putrid aura. They are the embodiment of the decay society experiences, and I could not hate it more if I tried.

Did you just call me a neoliberal? :thronking:

I mean, your economic outlooks are similar.

[Rostavykhan]

"It's okay that you want to inflict suffering on me and the people I love because you're polite when you're talking to me!"

No.

. . . I never said her political views were OK.

I might just be overly cautious about condemning someone based on their politics from living in a state surrounded by hard-right conservatives and the occasional casual white supremacist and sort of just having to shut up and accept that everyone's political views will be diametrically opposite mine. Added to this is the fact that I never engaged with Aillyria that much and never really knew her or her politics that well, and--despite being willing to debate on the internet--I'm actually pretty non-confrontational overall. In the end, it's really hard for me to come to actively dislike a person I only know online on the basis of their political views alone.

This.

I might disagree with what someone like, say, TEM or Aelex say much of the time, but it doesn't means I dislike them (I like both of them, actually.)

Also doesn't mean I dislike Matto/Torocca/anyone else on NSG with differing views, no matter how snarky I might act. I tend to separate online from RL anyways, and at the end of the day, this is a site for people to voice unpopular or unorthodox opinions and bicker anyways, so I don't really care.

TBH I didn't have much issue with Allyria at all, and I find the use of a throwaway to report her pretty petty and, frankly, retarded.

I agree, minimum wage is a band-aid for countries where neoliberalism has eroded unions useless.

Also agree.

[Great Minarchistan]

Did you just call me a neoliberal? :thronking:

I mean, your economic outlooks are similar.

No, they aren't. Neoliberalism is such an overused word that apparently everyone to the right of center is a neoliberal.

[Mattopilos II]

I mean, your economic outlooks are similar.

No, they aren't. Neoliberalism is such an overused word that apparently everyone to the right of center is a neoliberal.

I use it to mean a revitalization of the classical liberal ideal, especially in American politics.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Your views were terrible from my standpoint, but you personally didn't seem to be all that bad... have fun away from NSG, it's probably healthier for you anyway.

> Views are terrible
> Person not all that bad

you think they aren't tied lol

They are not tied all that much. Other than skull-crushing totalitarians and genocidal Fascists probably not being the nicest people in the world, I don't think politics is the best method for determining how good a person is.

[West Leas Oros]

> Views are terrible
> Person not all that bad

you think they aren't tied lol

They not tied all that much. Other than skull-crushing totalitarians and genocidal Fascists probably not being the nicest people in the world, I don't think politics is the best method for determining how good a person is.

You my friend don’t understand the principles of absolutist thinking. :^)

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

You prefer the line?

Politics can't be quantified.

Then why call someone left or right at all?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Politics can't be quantified.

Then why call someone left or right at all?

Without categories, man cannot meme. Both body and mind atrophy when such basic needs are left unmet.

[West Leas Oros]

Then why call someone left or right at all?

Without categories, man cannot meme. Both body and mind atrophy when such basic needs are left unmet.

How many layers of memery are you on right now?

[Ostroeuropa]

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Which is probably the point you're trying to make.

Being a monster and being a person (at least by a technicality) are not mutually exclusive.

I'm not a fan of the term being used to describe people, it seems to be trying to avoid the fact that the negative actions are human ones and distort our view of the species. They weren't anything more or less than human.

[Jackania yugo]

Why do people like idpol? I thought you were leftists?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I'm pretty sure New Em and you are saying the same thing. :c

Indeed.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I always believed that deep down, anyone can change. But I’m optimistic like that.

I have seen people change, sometimes almost completely. However, I also believe that people must be dealt with in real time.

[Firaxin]

Why do people like idpol? I thought you were leftists?

Could you clarify? Are you accusing all of us liking idpol or saying that we don't.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Why do people like idpol? I thought you were leftists?

If identity politics can be used as a tactic to bring about revolution, I love it. Otherwise, I couldn't care less about politicizing identity.

[Jackania yugo]

Why do people like idpol? I thought you were leftists?

Could you clarify? Are you accusing all of us liking idpol or saying that we don't.

Sorry, should of been specific, I meant cekviou appears to like Idpol.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Why do people like idpol? I thought you were leftists?

It may surprise some given my other views, but I personally believe the memey hatred for identity politics to be largely based on wrongful conflations. It is not a necessary feature of identity politics for it to be intertwined with culture war cultism, oversensitivity, or the fanatical censors that pollute both sides of the spectrum. Particular forms of it have been infected by these things, for certain, but to write off the politics of identity is to in effect, throw legitimate rights movements and, indeed, class struggle, out of the window.

Does not all politics have both material and identity elements - politics being the study of who gets what, where and how? Put simply, people are moved to action and unite around things because leaders make calls to their group memberships and they recognise themselves and what they believe to be their interests in the call. Idpol shorthand as a snarl is fairly nonsensical.

[Arbeitersrepublik]

Why do people like idpol? I thought you were leftists?

It may surprise some given my other views, but I personally believe the memey hatred for identity politics to be largely based on wrongful conflations. It is not a necessary feature of identity politics for it to be intertwined with culture war cultism, oversensitivity, or the fanatical censors that pollute both sides of the spectrum. Particular forms of it have been infected by these things, for certain, but to write off the politics of identity is to in effect, throw legitimate rights movements and, indeed, class struggle, out of the window.

Does not all politics have both material and identity elements - politics being the study of who gets what, where and how? The idpol shorthand as a snarl is fairly nonsensical.

I do idpol because it triggers le conservaturds EPIC STYLE XD
But in all seriousness, there are other things to talk about than mindless identity politics.

[West Leas Oros]

Why do people like idpol? I thought you were leftists?

I certainly don’t. And I know, someone’s going to say “But class is an identity!”, but I mean, idpol is usually not used to promote rights for a certain group, but rather to vilify and hate on groups that are oppressive/inferior/etc. I don’t hate the bourgeoisie for existing, and I don’t want to kill them or anything, but they should be made responsible for the shit they cause the rest of us.

[Bienenhalde]

Idpol shorthand as a snarl is fairly nonsensical.

Better than the term "Social Justice Warrior". I think the latter sounds too complementary.

[Liriena]

Why do people like idpol? I thought you were leftists?

Dude, I like you, but you really need to put more meat on your questions. This one is extremely broad and simplistic.

Why do people "like" identity politics? Some people on the left believe that identity politics are the more practical way to identify and tackle the various injustices we face in human society. So what they do is delineate the specificities of every socially constructed category and essentially turn every category into its own movement. The problem that identity politics can and often does run into, and has been observed by both more orthodox leftists and post-modern leftists, is that the use of socially constructed categories to tackle injustices may be counter-productive because those same categories are arguably founded and structured around said injustices. This is why some radical feminists, for instance, advocate for outright gender abolitionism (and often clash with trans activists over issues of gender essentialism).

[Liriena]

Idpol shorthand as a snarl is fairly nonsensical.

Better than the term "Social Justice Warrior". I think the latter sounds too complementary.

I prefer "Social Justice Knight-Enchanter". We get the Spirit Blade skill, which is absolutely awesome.

[Pilarcraft]

Better than the term "Social Justice Warrior". I think the latter sounds too complementary.

I prefer "Social Justice Knight-Enchanter". We get the Spirit Blade skill, which is absolutely awesome.

Social Justice Paladin-Healer or Social Justice Warlock-Nightblade for me

[West Leas Oros]

Better than the term "Social Justice Warrior". I think the latter sounds too complementary.

I prefer "Social Justice Knight-Enchanter". We get the Spirit Blade skill, which is absolutely awesome.

I’m a chaotic good, economic justice multi-class rogue and bard, with an extra 2d6 sneak attack damage.