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LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

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Favorite Left Wing Novelist or Playwright

George Orwell
141
63%
Leo Tolstoy
28
13%
Maxim Gorky
4
2%
Oscar Wilde
17
8%
John Sommerfield
1
0%
Nikolay Ostrovsky
3
1%
Andrei Bely
1
0%
John Steinbeck
22
10%
Arthur Miller
6
3%
 
Total votes : 223

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Great Minarchistan
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu May 17, 2018 8:40 pm

Jelmatt wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Isn't social mobility the thing that matters though? Also, concentration of political power under a small government that does little meddling on the society doesn't seem to be harmful at all (implying this would happen anyways, since bigger government is where politicians get to milk votes from).


Government is not the only entity that can wield power.

Indeed it isn't. It is the most influential one though.
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Kvatchdom
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Postby Kvatchdom » Thu May 17, 2018 8:50 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Yes, and they for some reason only allow foreign companies quite often to handle their resources, and push back against local markets, because they are owned by foreign companies.

Interesting given that developing countries often pursue the dirigist strategy that consists of massive nationalization of "strategical" resources.

Kvatchdom wrote:CEOs do not work 120 hours a week.

http://www.businessinsider.com/top-ceo-schedules-2013-4
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-aver ... s-of-a-CEO
http://time.com/4076563/ceos-productivity/

Kvatchdom wrote:In most countries worktime reduction and regulations are directly tied to Union action and strikes, and Unions are the only reason we don't need a minimum wage in Finland.

Good for you, minimum wage is hell anyways (especially on federal level).

Because they're being bribed or forced to do so by foreign companies from the US, Europe or China.

All of these state from 10-12 hours, not even close to 120 hours per week.

I agree, minimum wage is a band-aid for countries where neoliberalism has eroded unions useless.
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New Emeline
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Postby New Emeline » Thu May 17, 2018 8:53 pm

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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu May 17, 2018 8:55 pm

New Emeline wrote:


pls help, Comcast has entered my house and is forcing me to use their internet service at gunpoint...

if I don't then i'll get internet withdraw and die

help
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New Emeline
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Postby New Emeline » Thu May 17, 2018 8:55 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
New Emeline wrote:


pls help, Comcast has entered my house and is forcing me to use their internet service at gunpoint...

if I don't then i'll get internet withdraw and die

help

:^)

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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu May 17, 2018 8:56 pm

New Emeline wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
pls help, Comcast has entered my house and is forcing me to use their internet service at gunpoint...

if I don't then i'll get internet withdraw and die

help

:^)


i require a certain amount of memes per day.

MEMES ARE A HUMAN RIGHT
"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
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New Emeline
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Postby New Emeline » Thu May 17, 2018 8:57 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
New Emeline wrote::^)


i require a certain amount of memes per day.

MEMES ARE A HUMAN RIGHT

this but unironically

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Kvatchdom
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kvatchdom » Thu May 17, 2018 8:58 pm

New Emeline wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
i require a certain amount of memes per day.

MEMES ARE A HUMAN RIGHT

this but unironically

hey you said you were a normie did you lie to me
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New Emeline
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Postby New Emeline » Thu May 17, 2018 8:58 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:
New Emeline wrote:this but unironically

hey you said you were a normie did you lie to me

mayhaps

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Kvatchdom
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Postby Kvatchdom » Thu May 17, 2018 8:59 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:hey you said you were a normie did you lie to me

mayhaps

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 17, 2018 9:01 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:
New Emeline wrote:this but unironically

hey you said you were a normie did you lie to me

Unfortunately, memes and normies are not mutually exclusive
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Kvatchdom
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Postby Kvatchdom » Thu May 17, 2018 9:02 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:hey you said you were a normie did you lie to me

Unfortunately, memes and normies are not mutually exclusive

Good point
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Crysuko
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Crysuko » Thu May 17, 2018 9:45 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Interesting given that developing countries often pursue the dirigist strategy that consists of massive nationalization of "strategical" resources.


http://www.businessinsider.com/top-ceo-schedules-2013-4
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-aver ... s-of-a-CEO
http://time.com/4076563/ceos-productivity/


Good for you, minimum wage is hell anyways (especially on federal level).

Because they're being bribed or forced to do so by foreign companies from the US, Europe or China.

All of these state from 10-12 hours, not even close to 120 hours per week.

I agree, minimum wage is a band-aid for countries where neoliberalism has eroded unions useless.

Add another reason why I despise neoliberals. Along with the smug sense of "just stop being poor" they carry around with them like a putrid aura. They are the embodiment of the decay society experiences, and I could not hate it more if I tried.
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This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

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Mattopilos II
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Postby Mattopilos II » Thu May 17, 2018 9:57 pm

Jelmatt wrote:
Await Jezel wrote:Hi, it's Aillyria. If any of you are interested in contacting my ask DI for my contact info.

And Professor, I didn't die....just to ease your mind.


Rei is beyond petty for reporting me over a forum argument, but hey you can only expect people to be cowards and hide behind a toss account to make a report, lol. God, I hate people. By NSG, assalam.


Your views were terrible from my standpoint, but you personally didn't seem to be all that bad... have fun away from NSG, it's probably healthier for you anyway.


> Views are terrible
> Person not all that bad

you think they aren't tied lol
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Jelmatt
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Postby Jelmatt » Thu May 17, 2018 10:03 pm

Mattopilos II wrote:
Jelmatt wrote:
Your views were terrible from my standpoint, but you personally didn't seem to be all that bad... have fun away from NSG, it's probably healthier for you anyway.


> Views are terrible
> Person not all that bad

you think they aren't tied lol


How someone thinks politically and how they act in everyday life can be stunningly different.
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What did custom stern divide,
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Where thy gentle wings abide."
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The Liberated Territories wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.


The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 17, 2018 10:05 pm

Jelmatt wrote:How someone thinks politically and how they act in everyday life can be stunningly different.

"It's okay that you want to inflict suffering on me and the people I love because you're polite when you're talking to me!"

No.

EDIT: Am not talking about Aillyria, mind.
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Mattopilos II
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Postby Mattopilos II » Thu May 17, 2018 10:05 pm

Jelmatt wrote:
Mattopilos II wrote:
> Views are terrible
> Person not all that bad

you think they aren't tied lol


How someone thinks politically and how they act in everyday life can be stunningly different.


It's almost like people have to hide their political opinions around others in real life lest they face consequences for being against the norm or something.
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“Whoever will be free must make himself free. Freedom is no fairy gift to fall into a man's lap. What is freedom? To have the will to be responsible for one's self.” - Max Stirner
“The victory of a moral ideal is achieved by the same ‘immoral’ means as every victory: force, lies, slander, injustice.” - Nietzsche
“Our duties - are the rights of others over us.” - Nietzsche

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Jelmatt
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Postby Jelmatt » Thu May 17, 2018 10:20 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Jelmatt wrote:How someone thinks politically and how they act in everyday life can be stunningly different.

"It's okay that you want to inflict suffering on me and the people I love because you're polite when you're talking to me!"

No.


. . . I never said her political views were OK.

I might just be overly cautious about condemning someone based on their politics from living in a state surrounded by hard-right conservatives and the occasional casual white supremacist and sort of just having to shut up and accept that everyone's political views will be diametrically opposite mine. Added to this is the fact that I never engaged with Aillyria that much and never really knew her or her politics that well, and--despite being willing to debate on the internet--I'm actually pretty non-confrontational overall. In the end, it's really hard for me to come to actively dislike a person I only know online on the basis of their political views alone.
This nation does not represent my actual views. A semi-feudal absolute monarchy going through political upheaval.

Leftist; democratic socialist with a helping of civic republicanism.



"Thy enchantments bind together,
What did custom stern divide,
Every man becomes a brother,
Where thy gentle wings abide."
-- Ode to Joy (translated from German)
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.


The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu May 17, 2018 10:24 pm

ffs you won already, big clap, could you at least stop going after people who liked her and telling them that their friendship was unacceptable?

Right now you're being a dick. A massive, pus-oozing syphilitic dick.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Mattopilos II
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Postby Mattopilos II » Thu May 17, 2018 10:26 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:ffs you won already, big clap, could you at least stop going after people who liked her and telling them that their friendship was unacceptable?

Right now you're being a dick. A massive, pus-oozing syphilitic dick.

Cry me a river. I didn't care for them, and I can say that as much as others can say they did. I am giving an opinion, and you are just going to have to put up with that. I didn't win anything - I a simply relieved in some way or another. I don't care what people think of me for saying it: they irked me. They really, really irked me.
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“Whoever will be free must make himself free. Freedom is no fairy gift to fall into a man's lap. What is freedom? To have the will to be responsible for one's self.” - Max Stirner
“The victory of a moral ideal is achieved by the same ‘immoral’ means as every victory: force, lies, slander, injustice.” - Nietzsche
“Our duties - are the rights of others over us.” - Nietzsche

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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu May 17, 2018 10:31 pm

Mattopilos II wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:ffs you won already, big clap, could you at least stop going after people who liked her and telling them that their friendship was unacceptable?

Right now you're being a dick. A massive, pus-oozing syphilitic dick.

Cry me a river. I didn't care for them, and I can say that as much as others can say they did. I am giving an opinion, and you are just going to have to put up with that. I didn't win anything - I a simply relieved in some way or another. I don't care what people think of me for saying it: they irked me. They really, really irked me.


We got that after your first post of gloating. Feel free to say you didn't like her but you don't have to repeat it after every post that tells a different story, and don't go after friends who are upset that she's gone to tell them how their feelings are wrong and not allowed.
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Pilarcraft
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Postby Pilarcraft » Thu May 17, 2018 11:36 pm

Guys it's almost been a day. Are we still stuck on this? Let's just move on.
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MERIZoC
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby MERIZoC » Fri May 18, 2018 1:59 am

West Leas Oros wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:It's for 9th graders

You prefer the line?

Politics can't be quantified.

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Great Minarchistan
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri May 18, 2018 2:15 am

Kvatchdom wrote:Because they're being bribed or forced to do so by foreign companies from the US, Europe or China.

>Foreign companies are forcing developing countries to nationalize their own industry[/quote]
Wut?

Kvatchdom wrote:All of these state from 10-12 hours, not even close to 120 hours per week

Those are averages. For top-tier CEOs -- since not every CEO is the executive of a big company, by the contrary -- like Elon Musk, you have them working at 100-120 hour shifts.

Kvatchdom wrote:I agree, minimum wage is a band-aid for countries where neoliberalism has eroded unions useless.

Emphasis on where I stated that unionization membership has only short-term impacts on real wages regardless.
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Mattopilos II
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Postby Mattopilos II » Fri May 18, 2018 2:15 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Mattopilos II wrote:Cry me a river. I didn't care for them, and I can say that as much as others can say they did. I am giving an opinion, and you are just going to have to put up with that. I didn't win anything - I a simply relieved in some way or another. I don't care what people think of me for saying it: they irked me. They really, really irked me.


We got that after your first post of gloating. Feel free to say you didn't like her but you don't have to repeat it after every post that tells a different story, and don't go after friends who are upset that she's gone to tell them how their feelings are wrong and not allowed.


You poor fucker. I would never say their feelings are "wrong". I would say its their problem, not mine.

Pilarcraft wrote:Guys it's almost been a day. Are we still stuck on this? Let's just move on.


I would like that.
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“The victory of a moral ideal is achieved by the same ‘immoral’ means as every victory: force, lies, slander, injustice.” - Nietzsche
“Our duties - are the rights of others over us.” - Nietzsche

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