LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[The Liberated Territories]

i dunno man, talking with you has gotten me p close

Come now, historically the generalissimo fetish has been part and parcel with militant catholicism, bit hard to get there without it.

Was Pinochet concerned with Catholicism though? hm

[Kvatchdom]

laissez faire capitalism, i.e. on the hard right compared to full on communism

Hmmm, that's not radical at all though.

It is economically kinda radical

[Kvatchdom]

Come now, historically the generalissimo fetish has been part and parcel with militant catholicism, bit hard to get there without it.

Was Pinochet concerned with Catholicism though? hm

I don't think even Franco was, but the Church was a strong ally.

[Painisia]

Painisian opinion poll
https://strawpoll.com/dyp821d8

[Kubra]

Come now, historically the generalissimo fetish has been part and parcel with militant catholicism, bit hard to get there without it.

Was Pinochet concerned with Catholicism though? hm

In public, yes. Pinochet came out in support of the church, and the church mostly didn't talk shit. I don't know if militant catholicism relationship with militant anticommunism was organic or otherwise (french advisory staff were very fond of teaching "be really catholic, like really catholic" as counter-insurgency doctrine), but it is what it is.

[Arbeitersrepublik]

Was Pinochet concerned with Catholicism though? hm

In public, yes. Pinochet came out in support of the church, and the church mostly didn't talk shit. I don't know if militant catholicism relationship with militant anticommunism was organic or otherwise (french advisory staff were very fond of teaching "be really catholic, like really catholic" as counter-insurgency doctrine), but it is what it is.

Pope Francis seems to be more left wing than most Popes of the past.
Still a classical (socialist) Protestant though.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Painisian opinion poll
https://strawpoll.com/dyp821d8

How can anyone respond to that poll except for you?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

So, what do you think of the right wing (in general, not any specific group)? Any good bits?

A coalition between social democrats and one-nation conservatives is in many ways my political dream team. War hawks, fundamentalist religionists and Thatcherites I would find more challenging to find considerable ground with, mind.

the s o c i a l d e m o c r a t i c f a s c i s t s strike again.

[Arbeitersrepublik]

Painisian opinion poll
https://strawpoll.com/dyp821d8

How can anyone respond to that poll except for you?

He has a factbook on political parties.
Speaking of polls: here's mine.
https://strawpoll.com/x16c9c92

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

It depends. The recently DEATed Aillyria was a Sufi Muslim, UMN is an Orthodox Christian, and Professor is a Bahá'í. I'm personally agnostic and don't hate religion simply because it's religion.

The first two are firmly right wingers

Leninism is right-wing?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Right because everyone to the right of you is a fascist/Nazi/racist

Aillyria is literally a fascist. UMN is a self-described reactionary.

You can be reactionary and still be left-wing. Left/Right is, or at least should be, a purely economic axis.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

And there are people who classify as none of them nor do they fit into those terms even if they do classify as one of those very commonly.

I don't see how a political person would be able to fit into none of these, and an apolitical one would be tacitly supporting whatever group is in office.

Personally, I don't judge a good policy or society or ideology based on how much it represents or feels like the past, present or future, so I don't think I qualify as either of the three.

[MERIZoC]

Aillyria is literally a fascist. UMN is a self-described reactionary.

You can be reactionary and still be left-wing. Left/Right is, or at least should be, a purely economic axis.

*political compass*

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

You can be reactionary and still be left-wing. Left/Right is, or at least should be, a purely economic axis.

*political compass*

What about it?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

He has a factbook on political parties.

Oh, okay. I am still trying to find a real political party which agrees with my views. No luck.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Leninism is right-wing?

To me, it lies on the right of communism. However, right and left are relative to one's own position.

[Cekoviu]

Aillyria is literally a fascist. UMN is a self-described reactionary.

You can be reactionary and still be left-wing. Left/Right is, or at least should be, a purely economic axis.

That is contrary to the definition, though.

I don't see how a political person would be able to fit into none of these, and an apolitical one would be tacitly supporting whatever group is in office.

Personally, I don't judge a good policy or society or ideology based on how much it represents or feels like the past, present or future, so I don't think I qualify as either of the three.

I don't judge it by that either, but the fact remains that my ideology is more focused on progress (and yours appears to be as well), even if I wouldn't necessarily disregard an ideology simply for supporting the status quo or advocating a return to earlier times.

[Ostroeuropa]

https://youtu.be/1twto5YsIpI

The Minor key is the superior version of the anthem, reject the Major key and embrace your villainy.

[MERIZoC]

*political compass*

What about it?

It's for 9th graders

[Reikoku]

You can debate someone without going out of your way to sound like an asshole. Jus sayin’.

Well pardon me for not seeing eye-to-eye with the idea of humanizing members of death squads and Mr. Himmler of Nazi Germany.

No one is humanizing the Einsatzgruppen though, just using them as an example of how harming civilians takes a drastic mental toll on the perpetrators. If that's humanizing the Nazis, then literally every WW2 historian has done it. Because it was one of the reasons that lead to the gas chambers.

[West Leas Oros]

What about it?

It's for 9th graders

You prefer the line?

[Irou]

[Ostroeuropa]

You can debate someone without going out of your way to sound like an asshole. Jus sayin’.

Well pardon me for not seeing eye-to-eye with the idea of humanizing members of death squads and Mr. Himmler of Nazi Germany.

They're humans and understanding that is important to understanding fascism and nazism and how it works. I've literally written a fic about basically this exact topic specifically to get past the boring portrayals of nazis and fascists as saturday morning cartoon villains. Pretending they were just monsters excuses the ideology of its most despicable aspects in that it corrupts and debases the adherent as well as victims. It's just a form of laziness and tribalism.

A great example of this being done well is in 'man in the high castle', there's the scene with the Nazi woman crying in the bathroom because she's found out she's "Broken" and has fertility difficulties.

There's also the milgram experiments and their importance in understanding Nazism.

Nazis weren't monsters, they were people.

[New Emeline]

Nazis weren't monsters, they were people.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Which is probably the point you're trying to make.

[Cekoviu]

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