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LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

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Favorite Left Wing Novelist or Playwright

George Orwell
141
63%
Leo Tolstoy
28
13%
Maxim Gorky
4
2%
Oscar Wilde
17
8%
John Sommerfield
1
0%
Nikolay Ostrovsky
3
1%
Andrei Bely
1
0%
John Steinbeck
22
10%
Arthur Miller
6
3%
 
Total votes : 223

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Democratic Communist Federation
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Thu May 17, 2018 11:04 am

MERIZoC wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:It depends. The recently DEATed Aillyria was a Sufi Muslim, UMN is an Orthodox Christian, and Professor is a Bahá'í. I'm personally agnostic and don't hate religion simply because it's religion.

The first two are firmly right wingers


Me? No, I am a libertarian communist, not a right-winger.

Disregard. I missed the part about the first two. Sorry, grading finals always exhausts me.
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Kvatchdom
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kvatchdom » Thu May 17, 2018 11:06 am

Jackania yugo wrote:So, I take it people here don't like religion?

Well, you are left wing.

I like religion. This expectation is just silly.
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu May 17, 2018 11:10 am

MERIZoC wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:It depends. The recently DEATed Aillyria was a Sufi Muslim, UMN is an Orthodox Christian, and Professor is a Bahá'í. I'm personally agnostic and don't hate religion simply because it's religion.

The first two are firmly right wingers

Okay, but they're still "people here."
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu May 17, 2018 11:12 am

West Leas Oros wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Depends how you define right-wing. Like me, they generally supported left-wing economics and right-wing social views.

You could kind of say something similar about me, while not socially conservative, I am by no means progressive.

So you're reactionary?
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Kvatchdom
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kvatchdom » Thu May 17, 2018 11:19 am

Cekoviu wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:You could kind of say something similar about me, while not socially conservative, I am by no means progressive.

So you're reactionary?

Not being progressive does not make one a reactionary.
boo
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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Thu May 17, 2018 11:19 am

Kvatchdom wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:So you're reactionary?

Not being progressive does not make one a reactionary.

It does to a progressive. :^)
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Kvatchdom
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kvatchdom » Thu May 17, 2018 11:20 am

West Leas Oros wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Not being progressive does not make one a reactionary.

It does to a progressive. :^)

stop being weird, you're making my edgy facebook anti-sjw ptsd blow up right now
boo
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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Thu May 17, 2018 11:21 am

Kvatchdom wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:It does to a progressive. :^)

stop being weird, you're making my edgy facebook anti-sjw ptsd blow up right now

(^: :^)
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Kvatchdom
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Founded: Nov 08, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kvatchdom » Thu May 17, 2018 11:22 am

West Leas Oros wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:stop being weird, you're making my edgy facebook anti-sjw ptsd blow up right now

(^: :^)

what is that :eek:
boo
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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Thu May 17, 2018 11:24 am

Kvatchdom wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:(^: :^)

what is that :eek:

The mysterious double dorito face fusion.
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Kvatchdom
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Founded: Nov 08, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kvatchdom » Thu May 17, 2018 11:27 am

West Leas Oros wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:what is that :eek:

The mysterious double dorito face fusion.

Kill me now.
boo
Left-wing nationalist, socialist, souverainist and anti-American.

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Cekoviu
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Founded: Oct 18, 2017
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu May 17, 2018 11:28 am

Kvatchdom wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:So you're reactionary?

Not being progressive does not make one a reactionary.

If you're not progressive and not conservative, however, you must support regression. I would say that conservatism is generally manifested as support for the status quo, progressivism for progress, and reactionarism for regression, though the labels are frequently interchanged.
pro: women's rights
anti: men's rights

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Kvatchdom
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Founded: Nov 08, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kvatchdom » Thu May 17, 2018 11:30 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Not being progressive does not make one a reactionary.

If you're not progressive and not conservative, however, you must support regression. I would say that conservatism is generally manifested as support for the status quo, progressivism for progress, and reactionarism for regression, though the labels are frequently interchanged.

And there are people who classify as none of them nor do they fit into those terms even if they do classify as one of those very commonly.
boo
Left-wing nationalist, socialist, souverainist and anti-American.

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu May 17, 2018 11:31 am

Kvatchdom wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:If you're not progressive and not conservative, however, you must support regression. I would say that conservatism is generally manifested as support for the status quo, progressivism for progress, and reactionarism for regression, though the labels are frequently interchanged.

And there are people who classify as none of them nor do they fit into those terms even if they do classify as one of those very commonly.

I don't see how a political person would be able to fit into none of these, and an apolitical one would be tacitly supporting whatever group is in office.
pro: women's rights
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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Thu May 17, 2018 11:32 am

Kvatchdom wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:If you're not progressive and not conservative, however, you must support regression. I would say that conservatism is generally manifested as support for the status quo, progressivism for progress, and reactionarism for regression, though the labels are frequently interchanged.

And there are people who classify as none of them nor do they fit into those terms even if they do classify as one of those very commonly.

When it comes to social issues, I believe in true egalitarianism, which can only be achieved by abolishing capitalism.
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Firaxin
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Founded: Sep 28, 2017
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Postby Firaxin » Thu May 17, 2018 11:35 am

Jackania yugo wrote:So, I take it people here don't like religion?

Well, you are left wing.

The left is defined as valuing equality in no way does that conflict with religion. Most of time it also refers to all ideologies under socialism, which also doesn't necessarily conflict with religion.

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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu May 17, 2018 11:55 am

I am not a huge fan of religion, and yet most people here would consider me radically right wing.
"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
—Robert Heinlein

a libertarian, which means i want poor babies to die or smth

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Thu May 17, 2018 11:57 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:I am not a huge fan of religion, and yet most people here would consider me radically right wing.


And why's that?
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu May 17, 2018 12:01 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:I am not a huge fan of religion, and yet most people here would consider me radically right wing.


And why's that?


Nothing has convinced me that a god or any other deity exists. I flirted with deism but the concept of a personal god too was spurious, why call it god if it differs for every individual?
"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
—Robert Heinlein

a libertarian, which means i want poor babies to die or smth

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Kubra
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Kubra » Thu May 17, 2018 12:04 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:I am not a huge fan of religion, and yet most people here would consider me radically right wing.
You're not considered "radically right wing" until you have a fetish for generalissimo's.
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
Comrade J. Posadas

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Thu May 17, 2018 12:04 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
And why's that?


Nothing has convinced me that a god or any other deity exists. I flirted with deism but the concept of a personal god too was spurious, why call it god if it differs for every individual?


Oh, no, I didn't mean that part. I was asking why people here would consider you radically right-wing.
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NOTICE 1: Anything depicted IC on this nation does NOT reflect my IRL views or values, and is not endorsed by me.
NOTICE 2: Most RP and every OOC post by me prior to 2023 are no longer endorsed nor tolerated by me. I've since put on my adult pants!
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu May 17, 2018 12:04 pm

Kubra wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:I am not a huge fan of religion, and yet most people here would consider me radically right wing.
You're not considered "radically right wing" until you have a fetish for generalissimo's.


i dunno man, talking with you has gotten me p close
"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
—Robert Heinlein

a libertarian, which means i want poor babies to die or smth

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The Liberated Territories
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Founded: Dec 03, 2013
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu May 17, 2018 12:05 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Nothing has convinced me that a god or any other deity exists. I flirted with deism but the concept of a personal god too was spurious, why call it god if it differs for every individual?


Oh, no, I didn't mean that part. I was asking why people here would consider you radically right-wing.


laissez faire capitalism, i.e. on the hard right compared to full on communism
"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
—Robert Heinlein

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Kubra
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Kubra » Thu May 17, 2018 12:06 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Kubra wrote: You're not considered "radically right wing" until you have a fetish for generalissimo's.


i dunno man, talking with you has gotten me p close
Come now, historically the generalissimo fetish has been part and parcel with militant catholicism, bit hard to get there without it.
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
Comrade J. Posadas

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Thu May 17, 2018 12:08 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Oh, no, I didn't mean that part. I was asking why people here would consider you radically right-wing.


laissez faire capitalism, i.e. on the hard right compared to full on communism


Hmmm, that's not radical at all though.
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NOTICE 1: Anything depicted IC on this nation does NOT reflect my IRL views or values, and is not endorsed by me.
NOTICE 2: Most RP and every OOC post by me prior to 2023 are no longer endorsed nor tolerated by me. I've since put on my adult pants!
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