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LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

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Favorite Left Wing Novelist or Playwright

George Orwell
141
63%
Leo Tolstoy
28
13%
Maxim Gorky
4
2%
Oscar Wilde
17
8%
John Sommerfield
1
0%
Nikolay Ostrovsky
3
1%
Andrei Bely
1
0%
John Steinbeck
22
10%
Arthur Miller
6
3%
 
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:40 pm



It's an Anarchist movement that's created a functioning Anarchist society.

The South Falls wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
FYI Somalia's more or less an example of AnCapistan in action than actual Anarchism.

Not really. The government didn't truly exist, and warlords ruled the nation. Look how anarchism turned out.


Hence why I said it's an example of AnCapistan in action.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:41 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:

Ah yes, Sri Lanka. Quite a major world player. Also, Sri Lanka itself still has a state.


Those goalposts sure did a quick shift.
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West Leas Oros 2
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:41 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Soyuz Mladorrosov wrote:Society =/= Movement


It's an Anarchist movement that's created a functioning Anarchist society.

The South Falls wrote:Not really. The government didn't truly exist, and warlords ruled the nation. Look how anarchism turned out.


Hence why I said it's an example of AnCapistan in action.

Since when is Sri Lanka an anarchist society?
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:42 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
It's an Anarchist movement that's created a functioning Anarchist society.



Hence why I said it's an example of AnCapistan in action.

Since when is Sri Lanka an anarchist society?


I never said all of Sri Lanka is an Anarchist society. That specific part, however, is one.
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:42 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I know, that's why I said "besides your views" because I didn't want to misrepresent your views. Rather, I was criticizing the way you brought up your post.

Somalia is filled with several factions.


Fair enough. Should've specified that there needs to be an eradication of both Capitalism AND the state at the same time for Anarchism to work.

Which is nearly impossible.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:43 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Fair enough. Should've specified that there needs to be an eradication of both Capitalism AND the state at the same time for Anarchism to work.

Which is nearly impossible.


Not necessarily. Give the people a big enough reason to take action, and it can be forced to tumble down.
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:43 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Soyuz Mladorrosov wrote:Society =/= Movement


It's an Anarchist movement that's created a functioning Anarchist society.

The South Falls wrote:Not really. The government didn't truly exist, and warlords ruled the nation. Look how anarchism turned out.


Hence why I said it's an example of AnCapistan in action.

Capitalism gives you monetary gain through the markets.
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Postby Uxupox » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:44 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Which is nearly impossible.


Not necessarily. Give the people a big enough reason to take action, and it can be forced to tumble down.


such as?
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:44 pm

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=449364 Link to the new thread, BTW, since this has hit 500.
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:45 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Which is nearly impossible.


Not necessarily. Give the people a big enough reason to take action, and it can be forced to tumble down.

Define "people"? Because people have various ideologies with some being radical.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:45 pm

Torrocca wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Since when is Sri Lanka an anarchist society?


I never said all of Sri Lanka is an Anarchist society. That specific part, however, is one.

Statists everywhere are quaking in their boots, anarchism is super powerful. :^)
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:47 pm

Jolthig wrote:Oh I agree. We need a state. Otherwise, humanity cannot function without it.


The state, in its present form, is inseparable from capitalism. We do, IMO, require some form of federation or large-scale collective. A state? I suppose if there were some way to divorce it from capitalism. I am not so sure.
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:49 pm

This thread has been jettisoned.
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