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Favorite Left Wing Novelist or Playwright

George Orwell
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63%
Leo Tolstoy
28
13%
Maxim Gorky
4
2%
Oscar Wilde
17
8%
John Sommerfield
1
0%
Nikolay Ostrovsky
3
1%
Andrei Bely
1
0%
John Steinbeck
22
10%
Arthur Miller
6
3%
 
Total votes : 223

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Nekokuni
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Postby Nekokuni » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:08 am

Proctopeo wrote:Prussian socialism is just an army with a social


It was basically just the meme of proletarian nationalism, but with Prussian military aesthetics. Now it's just reading material for Neo-Fascists who need to pretend that they're social revolutionaries.
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Hammer Britannia
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:10 am

Proctopeo wrote:Prussian socialism is just an army with a social big meme

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Frievolk
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Postby Frievolk » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:10 am

Nekokuni wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Prussian socialism is just an army with a social


It was basically just the meme of proletarian nationalism, but with Prussian military aesthetics. Now it's just reading material for Neo-Fascists who need to pretend that they're social revolutionaries.

I was generally under the impression that like Hitler, the guy behind "Prussian Socialism" (Prussianism?) had no idea what socialism was, and just thought it sounded cool so he used it in his ideology's name.
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Communist Xomaniax
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:16 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Second Empire of America wrote:The rich have a much lower Marginal Propensity to Consume than the poor. Because consumption is what drives capitalist economies, a low MPC is a very bad thing.

Consumption isn't what drives an economy, it's merely a byproduct of job creation and economic growth asserted by business fixed investment.

>consumption doesn't drive the economy
>literally called a consumer economy

why is rightlib """"""""theory""""""" so fucking stupid
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:17 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Consumption isn't what drives an economy, it's merely a byproduct of job creation and economic growth asserted by business fixed investment.

>consumption doesn't drive the economy
>literally called a consumer economy

why is rightlib """"""""theory""""""" so fucking stupid


Probably all the weed that they advocate for causing the ideologies to be so dumb ngl
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Communist Xomaniax
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:21 am

Torrocca wrote:
Communist Xomaniax wrote:>consumption doesn't drive the economy
>literally called a consumer economy

why is rightlib """"""""theory""""""" so fucking stupid


Probably all the weed that they advocate for causing the ideologies to be so dumb ngl

man you'd think these dudes would be able to look at their garbage fucking theory and be able to tell that it's basically modern day astrology.
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:22 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Probably all the weed that they advocate for causing the ideologies to be so dumb ngl

man you'd think these dudes would be able to look at their garbage fucking theory and be able to tell that it's basically modern day astrology.


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Hammer Britannia
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:22 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Probably all the weed that they advocate for causing the ideologies to be so dumb ngl

man you'd think these dudes would be able to look at their garbage fucking theory and be able to tell that it's basically modern day astrology.

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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:28 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:I agree with elements of Prussian Socialism and its rejection of Marxism and Internationalism. Fite me.


Yes...Christian monarchist Prussian socialism making a comeback would be great. :clap:

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Communist Xomaniax
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:32 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:Says the Socialist

>prussian socialism
>national socialism
>this embarassing excuse of a comment

man why is the right wing so bad at making their own ideas that they gotta rely on aping left wing ones?
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Proctopeo
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:33 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Probably all the weed that they advocate for causing the ideologies to be so dumb ngl

man you'd think these dudes would be able to look at their garbage fucking theory and be able to tell that it's basically modern day astrology.

Oh noes, someone with a weird distro of socialism called my entire ideological block "basically astrology"
how will I ever recover ;-;
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Communist Xomaniax
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:36 am

Proctopeo wrote:how will I ever recover ;-;

Apparently by trying and failing to pass off some whining as detached sarcasm.
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Proctopeo
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:36 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Oh noes, someone with a weird distro of socialism called my entire ideological block "basically astrology"
how will I ever recover ;-;
/s

Apparently by trying and failing to pass off some whining as detached sarcasm.

It was sarcasm, but believe what you will mr internet cold reader person ;)
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Communist Xomaniax
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:38 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Communist Xomaniax wrote:Apparently by trying and failing to pass off some whining as detached sarcasm.

It was sarcasm, but believe what you will mr internet cold reader person ;)

alright, enjoy your goofy meme ideology
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Proctopeo
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:39 am

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:It was sarcasm, but believe what you will mr internet cold reader person ;)

alright, enjoy your goofy meme ideology

Same to you :^)
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Democratic Communist Federation
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Thu Aug 30, 2018 12:06 pm

No. The only people who call themselves national syndicalists are literally either Falangists or fans of the popular Kaiserreich mod. I feel like you didn't even read my post, which dealt specifically with the history of the term “national syndicalism.”


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Great Minarchistan
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:01 pm

Valgora wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Your query comes second, so please obey the order of the queries :^)


To be fair, I don't think the order of queries matters compared to who made the first claim.

Sorry, the ideal state of supply chain is FIFO :^)
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Great Minarchistan
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:02 pm

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Consumption isn't what drives an economy, it's merely a byproduct of job creation and economic growth asserted by business fixed investment.

>consumption doesn't drive the economy
>literally called a consumer economy

why is rightlib """"""""theory""""""" so fucking stupid

Why is keynesian """"""""""theory""""""""""" so fucking stupid that empirical observation doesn't even support it
P.S.: Not sure where you got that from, capitalist economies are often called market economies, not consumer ones.
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Dumb Ideologies
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:04 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Technically, you made the first claim on Catalonia, so it's your burden to prove it was nothing but chaos. :^)

Your query comes second, so please obey the order of the queries :^)


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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:08 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Your query comes second, so please obey the order of the queries :^)


I ain't obeyin' no orders from queers!

[glowers loose-cannonishly]

I thought you lot liked queues :^)
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:09 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Communist Xomaniax wrote:>consumption doesn't drive the economy
>literally called a consumer economy

why is rightlib """"""""theory""""""" so fucking stupid

Why is keynesian """"""""""theory""""""""""" so fucking stupid that empirical observation doesn't even support it
P.S.: Not sure where you got that from, capitalist economies are often called market economies, not consumer ones.


This is some seriously terrible economics for the modern era. :^)
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:10 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Why is keynesian """"""""""theory""""""""""" so fucking stupid that empirical observation doesn't even support it
P.S.: Not sure where you got that from, capitalist economies are often called market economies, not consumer ones.


This is some seriously terrible economics for the modern era. :^)

Ah, the same modern era that has seen sluggish economic growth due to crowded out investment participation on the economy? I see what you are advocating for now :^)
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:20 pm

What the alt-right/neo-reactionaries want you think Eurabia is:

"AH, EVIL JOOISH MOOSLIM COMULIST ESSJAYDOUBLEU CONSPIRASEE WIT GENCIDE STUF! KILL EM ALL BEFURE THEY KALL US!"

What they are actually planning/it will actually be:

"Muh western neo-imperialism."
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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:23 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:What the alt-right/neo-reactionaries want you think Eurabia is:

"AH, EVIL JOOISH MOOSLIM COMULIST ESSJAYDOUBLEU CONSPIRASEE WIT GENCIDE STUF! KILL EM ALL BEFURE THEY KALL US!"

What they are actually planning/it will actually be:

"Muh western neo-imperialism."


Excellent. More of the gripping and incisive analysis we've come to expect.
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Postby Musk » Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:58 pm

Frievolk wrote:
Nekokuni wrote:
It was basically just the meme of proletarian nationalism, but with Prussian military aesthetics. Now it's just reading material for Neo-Fascists who need to pretend that they're social revolutionaries.

I was generally under the impression that like Hitler, the guy behind "Prussian Socialism" (Prussianism?) had no idea what socialism was, and just thought it sounded cool so he used it in his ideology's name.

Yep. He called his party a socialist workers' party and put his flag on a red field to fool commies/socialists/labor into voting for him. He made the three colors the same three as the imperial flag and called his party a German national party to fool conservatives into voting for him. He slapped a big giant symbol for "muh indo-europeans" on it to get more votes from proto-nazis.
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