LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[Bakery Hill]

I think market socialism is the best answer. With workers' self-management and elements of democratic planning. Also I think single party-rule after the purging of the capitalist class is in itself counter-revolutionary. Revisionism is good.

Statist Syndicalism and Prussian Socialism is better

Give it a week and you'll have abandoned those for something else.

[Dark Socialism]

Statist Syndicalism and Prussian Socialism is better

Give it a week and you'll have abandoned those for something else.

Too early

[Democratic Communist Federation]

The latest paragraph from The Antifa Luxemburgist Communist Collective:

German Nazism (German, Nazismus [MP3]), Italian Fascism (Italian, Fascismo [MP3]), and Japanese State Shinto (Japanese, 國家神道 [MP3], Kokka Shintō) are eternal stains upon human history. Each of them demonstates, after its own fashion, the potentially disastrous consequences of unchecked authoritarianism. Now, a comparable era might once again be upon us. We must remain ever–vigilant that the hell of global warfare never becomes a reality. In World War II, only one country, the United States, possessed and deployed the terrifying power of the atom. Currenty, under the collective spell of an arms race, the nuclear club has multiplied alarmingly. No signs of abatement can, alas, be observed. That same atom, the unit of existence, could, by the mere entry of a code, begin humanity’s universal nonexistence.

The Antifa Luxemburgist Communist Collective

[Nekokuni]

The latest paragraph from The Antifa Luxemburgist Communist Collective:

German Nazism (German, Nazismus [MP3]), Italian Fascism (Italian, Fascismo [MP3]), and Japanese State Shinto (Japanese, 國家神道 [MP3], Kokka Shintō) are eternal stains upon human history. Each of them demonstates, after its own fashion, the potentially disastrous consequences of unchecked authoritarianism. Now, a comparable era might once again be upon us. We must remain ever–vigilant that the hell of global warfare never becomes a reality. In World War II, only one country, the United States, possessed and deployed the terrifying power of the atom. Currenty, under the collective spell of an arms race, the nuclear club has multiplied alarmingly. No signs of abatement can, alas, be observed. That same atom, the unit of existence, could, by the mere entry of a code, begin humanity’s universal nonexistence.

The Antifa Luxemburgist Communist Collective

Why are you using “State Shinto” as though it were a political ideology or the Japanese counterpart of Fascism/Nazism?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Why are you using “State Shinto” as though it were a political ideology or the Japanese counterpart of Fascism/Nazism?

Because I am referring to authoritarian systems, and State Shinto (though a term coined by the West) was authoritarian.

[Nekokuni]

Why are you using “State Shinto” as though it were a political ideology or the Japanese counterpart of Fascism/Nazism?

Because I am referring to authoritarian systems, and State Shinto (though a term coined by the West) was authoritarian.

That doesn't answer my question. “State Shinto” was not synonymous with the Japanese state during WW2. It dates back even to the democratic Taisho period and refers to government control over shrines. To make it into the Eastern counterpart of Nazism or Fascism just indicates a naive need to see everything in mirror images of each other.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

That doesn't answer my question. “State Shinto” was not synonymous with the Japanese state during WW2. It dates back even to the democratic Taisho period and refers to government control over shrines. To make it into the Eastern counterpart of Nazism or Fascism just indicates a naive need to see everything in mirror images of each other.

It also included Emperor worship. However, to be clear, I never said that the three systems were mirror images of one another.

[New yugoslavaia]

Even though the far-right is rising again, I believe we should be less afraid of a return if Hitler's Germany and more concerned about another Mussolini's Italy. Most people are against Nazism and would actively combat it...not fascism or monarchism though.

[Asigna]

Even though the far-right is rising again, I believe we should be less afraid of a return if Hitler's Germany and more concerned about another Mussolini's Italy. Most people are against Nazism and would actively combat it...not fascism or monarchism though.

Monarchism would not see light in countries that have tradition for civil aesthetics like France. Neo Falangism is the worst we can get in our age.

[Frievolk]

Even though the far-right is rising again, I believe we should be less afraid of a return if Hitler's Germany and more concerned about another Mussolini's Italy. Most people are against Nazism and would actively combat it...not fascism or monarchism though.

Monarchism would not see light in countries that have tradition for civil aesthetics like France. Neo Falangism is the worst we can get in our age.

Considering that Monarchism is actually pretty popular in France (to be fair, not as popular as it should be) and how popular it is becoming in Russia (of all places), I wouldn't be so sure on that. The only countries where monarchy would see no light in is places without a monarchist tradition. In Europe, that means Switzerland.

[Korouse]

Just because someone believes in islamic law doesn't mean they're a terrorist. Being a useful idiot for feds is, though.

Anyone who believes in any religious law and believes that it should be the law of the nation is a threat to the nation and should be treated as such

Religious fundamentalists are not "a threat to the nation" and in the United States they've been a very important part in hammering in the reactionary status quo. In fact, WASPs would languish at the Jewish and African "mutants" as they called them running around their elite universities that produced some of the most important statesmen. If you mean "a threat to the people" or a "threat to basic humanity" then you'd be right, these people are very detrimental. His dentist isn't though if all she's doing is speaking her mind (especially if our professor here asked in the first place). In effect you're advocating for thought police.

[Korouse]

Even though the far-right is rising again, I believe we should be less afraid of a return if Hitler's Germany and more concerned about another Mussolini's Italy. Most people are against Nazism and would actively combat it...not fascism or monarchism though.

There's already the normalization of rounding up immigrants, shooting at them, ID-tagging Romas, fascist paramilitaries that "help the police" in Ukraine, etc. People should kick the habit of thinking about "another" Mussolini and think strategically about how fascists in the present day are actually operating. For example, Richard Spencer is deeply involved in backdoor D.C. politics and institutes, and gets funding from a former GOP millionaire. The closest he ever got to LARPing was saying "Hail our People" but in the grand scheme of things he's a smooth propagandist dressed up like a dork.

[Korouse]

You're not supposed to look up to him. You're supposed to accept the guy was a socialist. Hell, I despise Marx with every fiber of my existence but I don't deny he was a socialist. At least, you know, not without proof.

Fair enough, perhaps I misspoke. I would rather say as a leftist that we should ignore their input for the canon, Tolstoy's attempted commune turned into a personality cult, which he was always after, and Oscar Wilde was only clever enough to know what class warfare was without engaging in it himself.

Marx, on the other hand, is Marx, despite his faults. I wouldn't say so much for them, and I wouldn't consider them left-wing authors. Especially not Tolstoy. (I might be very bitter about him since I wrote a dissertation on Socialistic misogyny but I suppose that's a whole other conversation).

Most of the authors on this list I wouldn't really consider good people or proper leftists. Orwell and Steinback, for example, were both rats and supporters of imperialism. I'm not a fiction guy (I should really read more sci-fi) but there are plenty of better authors to put on here that weren't hacks, like Kim Stanley Robinson.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Fair enough, perhaps I misspoke. I would rather say as a leftist that we should ignore their input for the canon, Tolstoy's attempted commune turned into a personality cult, which he was always after, and Oscar Wilde was only clever enough to know what class warfare was without engaging in it himself.

Marx, on the other hand, is Marx, despite his faults. I wouldn't say so much for them, and I wouldn't consider them left-wing authors. Especially not Tolstoy. (I might be very bitter about him since I wrote a dissertation on Socialistic misogyny but I suppose that's a whole other conversation).

Most of the authors on this list I wouldn't really consider good people or proper leftists. Orwell and Steinback, for example, were both rats and supporters of imperialism. I'm not a fiction guy (I should really read more sci-fi) but there are plenty of better authors to put on here that weren't hacks, like Kim Stanley Robinson.

What did Orwell do that was rat-like and when did he support imperialism?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I think market socialism is the best answer. With workers' self-management and elements of democratic planning. Also I think single party-rule after the purging of the capitalist class is in itself counter-revolutionary. Revisionism is good.

Revisionism is not good.

You never go full Maoist.

[Bakery Hill]

Fair enough, perhaps I misspoke. I would rather say as a leftist that we should ignore their input for the canon, Tolstoy's attempted commune turned into a personality cult, which he was always after, and Oscar Wilde was only clever enough to know what class warfare was without engaging in it himself.

Marx, on the other hand, is Marx, despite his faults. I wouldn't say so much for them, and I wouldn't consider them left-wing authors. Especially not Tolstoy. (I might be very bitter about him since I wrote a dissertation on Socialistic misogyny but I suppose that's a whole other conversation).

Most of the authors on this list I wouldn't really consider good people or proper leftists. Orwell and Steinback, for example, were both rats and supporters of imperialism. I'm not a fiction guy (I should really read more sci-fi) but there are plenty of better authors to put on here that weren't hacks, like Kim Stanley Robinson.

I keep trying to get a hold of Years of Rice and Salt.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Revisionism is not good.

You never go full Maoist.

Esoteric Pol Potism is far superior.

[Cekoviu]

You never go full Maoist.

Esoteric Pol Potism is far superior.

It's sad that I can't tell if you're even being ironic rn

[Cekoviu]

We need a new poll thx

[Aellex]

Considering that Monarchism is actually pretty popular in France (to be fair, not as popular as it should be) and how popular it is becoming in Russia (of all places), I wouldn't be so sure on that. The only countries where monarchy would see no light in is places without a monarchist tradition. In Europe, that means Switzerland.

>"""""Monarchism is popular in France""""
>literally can't get over 0.3% of the vote at the legislatives
If you want it put even more clearly, the best score a monarchist candidate ever got in the last thirty years was around five thousands vote.

No, we do not like Monarchy as an institution. What we have little problem with, however, is autocracy.

[Torrocca]

Considering that Monarchism is actually pretty popular in France (to be fair, not as popular as it should be) and how popular it is becoming in Russia (of all places), I wouldn't be so sure on that. The only countries where monarchy would see no light in is places without a monarchist tradition. In Europe, that means Switzerland.

>"""""Monarchism is popular in France""""
>literally can't get over 0.3% of the vote at the legislatives
If you want it put even more clearly, the best score a monarchist candidate ever got in the last thirty years was around five thousands vote.

No, we do not like Monarchy as an institution. What we have little problem with, however, is autocracy.

How many more guillotines do the French people need to bring out before it's clear France doesn't like monarchies?

[Valgora]

Considering that Monarchism is actually pretty popular in France (to be fair, not as popular as it should be) and how popular it is becoming in Russia (of all places), I wouldn't be so sure on that. The only countries where monarchy would see no light in is places without a monarchist tradition. In Europe, that means Switzerland.

>"""""Monarchism is popular in France""""
>literally can't get over 0.3% of the vote at the legislatives
If you want it put even more clearly, the best score a monarchist candidate ever got in the last thirty years was around five thousands vote.

No, we do not like Monarchy as an institution. What we have little problem with, however, is autocracy.

Where the hell would France even get another monarch?

[Proctopeo]

Considering that Monarchism is actually pretty popular in France (to be fair, not as popular as it should be) and how popular it is becoming in Russia (of all places), I wouldn't be so sure on that. The only countries where monarchy would see no light in is places without a monarchist tradition. In Europe, that means Switzerland.

>"""""Monarchism is popular in France""""
>literally can't get over 0.3% of the vote at the legislatives
If you want it put even more clearly, the best score a monarchist candidate ever got in the last thirty years was around five thousands vote.

No, we do not like Monarchy as an institution. What we have little problem with, however, is autocracy.

This is so sad, can we get a cult of the supreme being?

[Ostroeuropa]

>"""""Monarchism is popular in France""""
>literally can't get over 0.3% of the vote at the legislatives
If you want it put even more clearly, the best score a monarchist candidate ever got in the last thirty years was around five thousands vote.

No, we do not like Monarchy as an institution. What we have little problem with, however, is autocracy.

This is so sad, can we get a cult of the supreme being?

I'm flattered but I'd prefer if people don't worship me thanks.

[Communist Xomaniax]

Tbh the French and the Russians had the right idea with their monarchs, shame the rest of the world didn't follow suit.