LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[Asigna]

Religion is the opium of the masses.

It is a spook.

I think that Marx's statement is often misunderstood. He was not condemning religion per se. He was critiquing religion. In other words, he objected to the use of religion to placate people so that they do not revolt against the capitalist system.

Of course lmao. Religion should not be banned, but rather fought head on in its playground until the believers willingly see the light of truth. Any other action shall be interpreted as martyrdom and that is not good.

[Nekokuni]

Critical realism?

It is Roy Bhaskar's philosophical methodology for establishing Marxist libertarian communism.

Could you provide me some more details about it?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Of course lmao. Religion should not be banned, but rather fought head on in its playground until the believers willingly see the light of truth. Any other action shall be interpreted as martyrdom and that is not good.

As a libertarian communist, banning is only something I would support if it was oppressive or, in other words, deprived the proletariat and subaltern of liberty.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Could you provide me some more details about it?

Hard in a posting. Check out my book. I am always hesitant to refer people to other sources since, IMO, most critical realists completely misunderstand what Bhaskar was doing.

[Asigna]

Critical realism?


If objective truth does not exist, why are we so constricted in our existence by things we have no control over?

His statement is false, I'm just not going to be baited into a useless debate. Sorry, hope that clears it up. c:

Cherry picking who you'd rather debate with is a testament to the fortitude of thy ideals. But i respect you anyway however, expect criticism if there are wrongs.

[Victores]

I think market socialism is the best answer. With workers' self-management and elements of democratic planning. Also I think single party-rule after the purging of the capitalist class is in itself counter-revolutionary. Revisionism is good.

[Asigna]

I think market socialism is the best answer. With workers' self-management and elements of democratic planning. Also I think single party-rule after the purging of the capitalist class is in itself counter-revolutionary. Revisionism is good.

My dear, monarchies shall be humiliated.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I think market socialism is the best answer. With workers' self-management and elements of democratic planning. Also I think single party-rule after the purging of the capitalist class is in itself counter-revolutionary. Revisionism is good.

Market socialism is just capitalism tweaked.

[Firaxin]

What do you think about attempts to merge socialism with religion? (i.e Christian socialism, Buddhist socialism, etc.) is this a legitimate form of Leftism, or a potential gateway into theocracy and/or hierarchy? I consider myself a devout Buddhist, but I'd be reluctant to merge the two. That feels like it would be a disservice to both.

Religion is not necessarily opposed to leftism, instead some leftist circles are opposed to religion. It’s leftists themselves who decide what is acceptable or not and why, thus these attempts are only natural.

[New yugoslavaia]

I think market socialism is the best answer. With workers' self-management and elements of democratic planning. Also I think single party-rule after the purging of the capitalist class is in itself counter-revolutionary. Revisionism is good.

Market socialism is just capitalism tweaked.

Explain.

[Dark Socialism]

I think market socialism is the best answer. With workers' self-management and elements of democratic planning. Also I think single party-rule after the purging of the capitalist class is in itself counter-revolutionary. Revisionism is good.

Statist Syndicalism and Prussian Socialism is better

[New yugoslavaia]

I think market socialism is the best answer. With workers' self-management and elements of democratic planning. Also I think single party-rule after the purging of the capitalist class is in itself counter-revolutionary. Revisionism is good.

Statist Syndicalism and Prussian Socialism is better

Wait, aren't you far-right guy from earlier?

[Dark Socialism]

Statist Syndicalism and Prussian Socialism is better

Wait, aren't you far-right guy from earlier?

Yeah

[Bienenhalde]

The JCP would be signing its death warrant if it ended up doing that.

Isn't the JCP the most prominent pro-republic party in Japan?

[Frievolk]

Statist Syndicalism and Prussian Socialism is better

Wait, aren't you far-right guy from earlier?

Statist Synicalism is a proto ideology for Italian fascism iirc, and socialism doesn't mean its actual meaning in Prussian Socialism, but the same thing that Hitler thought socialism meant (something about society? idk tbh) and was a proto ideology to national socialism.

I would hope Irou wasn't serious but, there's a high chance they were

[South Asia Minor]

yall know wilde was a bon vivant and tolstoy was a cult leader and neither of them were demonstrably left wing right?

[Frievolk]

yall know wilde was a bon vivant and tolstoy was a cult leader and neither of them were demonstrably left wing right?

Wilde's only political piece of text, The Soul of Man under Socialism, could kinda argue that he was in fact socialist, and Tolstoy was a libertarian socialist, iirc. Both of them were demonstrably leftists lol

[South Asia Minor]

yall know wilde was a bon vivant and tolstoy was a cult leader and neither of them were demonstrably left wing right?

Wilde's only political piece of text, The Soul of Man under Socialism, could kinda argue that he was in fact socialist, and Tolstoy was a libertarian socialist, iirc. Both of them were demonstrably leftists lol

sympathy for the left does not a leftist make

[South Asia Minor]

yall know wilde was a bon vivant and tolstoy was a cult leader and neither of them were demonstrably left wing right?

Wilde's only political piece of text, The Soul of Man under Socialism, could kinda argue that he was in fact socialist, and Tolstoy was a libertarian socialist, iirc. Both of them were demonstrably leftists lol

and tolstoys alleged leftism is the worst example of communalism in practice because he was a cult leader

[Frievolk]

Wilde's only political piece of text, The Soul of Man under Socialism, could kinda argue that he was in fact socialist, and Tolstoy was a libertarian socialist, iirc. Both of them were demonstrably leftists lol

sympathy for the left does not a leftist make

Literally saying "fuck capitalism" and being an anarchist does though... and both Wilde and Tolstoy were anarchist and anti-capitalist. Wilde literally had one (1) political piece of text, where he made a case for socialism, and Tolstoy had loads of them.

[South Asia Minor]

sympathy for the left does not a leftist make

Literally saying "fuck capitalism" and being an anarchist does though... and both Wilde and Tolstoy were anarchist and anti-capitalist. Wilde literally had one (1) political piece of text, where he made a case for socialism, and Tolstoy had loads of them.

I can accept that Wilde was a socialistic type, despite being the worst sort of example of the bourgeois class (which isn't to say I don't like him), but I draw the line at looking up to Tolstoy, he was a scumbag.

[Frievolk]

Literally saying "fuck capitalism" and being an anarchist does though... and both Wilde and Tolstoy were anarchist and anti-capitalist. Wilde literally had one (1) political piece of text, where he made a case for socialism, and Tolstoy had loads of them.

I can accept that Wilde was a socialistic type, despite being the worst sort of example of the bourgeois class (which isn't to say I don't like him), but I draw the line at looking up to Tolstoy, he was a scumbag.

You're not supposed to look up to him. You're supposed to accept the guy was a socialist. Hell, I despise Marx with every fiber of my existence but I don't deny he was a socialist. At least, you know, not without proof.

[South Asia Minor]

I can accept that Wilde was a socialistic type, despite being the worst sort of example of the bourgeois class (which isn't to say I don't like him), but I draw the line at looking up to Tolstoy, he was a scumbag.

You're not supposed to look up to him. You're supposed to accept the guy was a socialist. Hell, I despise Marx with every fiber of my existence but I don't deny he was a socialist. At least, you know, not without proof.

Fair enough, perhaps I misspoke. I would rather say as a leftist that we should ignore their input for the canon, Tolstoy's attempted commune turned into a personality cult, which he was always after, and Oscar Wilde was only clever enough to know what class warfare was without engaging in it himself.

Marx, on the other hand, is Marx, despite his faults. I wouldn't say so much for them, and I wouldn't consider them left-wing authors. Especially not Tolstoy. (I might be very bitter about him since I wrote a dissertation on Socialistic misogyny but I suppose that's a whole other conversation).

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Explain.

It leaves the supposedly free market intact and then collectivizes, to one extent or another, the workers.

[Valgora]

I think market socialism is the best answer. With workers' self-management and elements of democratic planning. Also I think single party-rule after the purging of the capitalist class is in itself counter-revolutionary. Revisionism is good.

Revisionism is not good.
It also has nothing to do with whether or not their is single party-rule.

Personally, I'm kinda neutral on market socialism.