LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[The South Falls]

We've got people like you, who are anarcho-leftists. We've also got the SPD'ers, like me, the communists, the neoleftists, and the socialists. We don't have that much unity.

*pays another £5 at Argument Clinic reception*

Yes we do.

Look, I'm going through that therapy too, but I must ask you. How? So many branches of leftists does it take to attain unity? We have too little, or too many. I dunno.

[The Parkus Empire]

Yes, but when the revolution comes here it won't be pretty.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... -the-rise/

It depends on your definition of "pretty".

I am saying if Europe gets pushed to civil wars, there will probably be purges of LGBT and minorities by the right-wing side.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I mean, there's an obvious divide between the libertarian and authoritarian sectors, but besides that there's unity aplenty.

I guess I don't see much of it. As on most message boards, the discussions which seem to drag on the longest are those which are the most aggressive and, honestly, nasty.

[Torrocca]

I mean, there's an obvious divide between the libertarian and authoritarian sectors, but besides that there's unity aplenty.

I guess I don't see much of it. As on most message boards, the discussions which seem to drag on the longest are those which are the most aggressive and, honestly, nasty.

You've clearly been missing the top banter I've had with some of the libertarian leftists here, then. :^)

[Aillyria]

It depends on your definition of "pretty".

I am saying if Europe gets pushed to civil wars, there will probably be purges of LGBT and minorities by the right-wing side.

Wars are never bloodless. The right, like the left....would be...dealt with in a revolution,

[Democratic Communist Federation]

You've clearly been missing the top banter I've had with some of the libertarian leftists here, then. :^)

One of the major sources of contention is between Marxist-Leninists, on the one hand, and libertarian socialists (including anarchists like you and Marxists like me), on the other.

[Torrocca]

You've clearly been missing the top banter I've had with some of the libertarian leftists here, then. :^)

One of the major sources of contention is between Marxist-Leninists, on the one hand, and libertarian socialists (including anarchists like you and Marxists like me), on the other.

That's because Marxist-Leninists are a bunch of spooks, duh.

[The Parkus Empire]

I am saying if Europe gets pushed to civil wars, there will probably be purges of LGBT and minorities by the right-wing side.

Wars are never bloodless. The right, like the left....would be...dealt with in a revolution,

Yes but what if the right wins?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

That's because Marxist-Leninists are a bunch of spooks, duh.

lol. Well, I try to be tolerant, especially since I used to be kind of a Marxist-Leninist (a Titoist and then a Trotskyist).

However, to give you one example, one Marxist-Leninist recently referred to me as “a Marxist of a sort.”

[Reikoku]

That's because Marxist-Leninists are a bunch of spooks, duh.

lol. Well, I try to be tolerant, especially since I used to be kind of a Marxist-Leninist (a Titoist and then a Trotskyist).

However, to give you one example, one Marxist-Leninist recently referred to me as “a Marxist of a sort.”

I've been called a “Marxist” a couple of times, though a “liberal” more often. It's pretty amusing because I'm solidly on the right.

[West Leas Oros]

That's because Marxist-Leninists are a bunch of spooks, duh.

lol. Well, I try to be tolerant, especially since I used to be kind of a Marxist-Leninist (a Titoist and then a Trotskyist).

However, to give you one example, one Marxist-Leninist recently referred to me as “a Marxist of a sort.”

I find myself wondering whether I’m Marxist Leninist or libertarian, largely because
1. I believe that the state is a necessary institution
2. I believe that revolution is a bad idea
3. I believe in democratic controlled means of production
4. I find social justice a lie.

[Cekoviu]

Unlike the RL left, though, we have some semblance of left-unity here (except with the authoritarian bois) ^_^

We've got people like you, who are anarcho-leftists. We've also got the SPD'ers, like me, the communists, the neoleftists, and the socialists. We don't have that much unity.

I sympathize with libertarian socialists and often side with them despite being a social democrat, so that could be considered unity. Anarchism often seems motivated by good intentions to me, and I can unite far better with those who seem to at least want good and those who are obviously just sowing discord or hate people unlike them. Then again, they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions, so maybe I should rethink that.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Yes but what if the right wins?

Honestly, then I fear for the continuation of the human species. Revolution certainly isn't inevitable, but it is necessary for our survival.

[Torrocca]

We've got people like you, who are anarcho-leftists. We've also got the SPD'ers, like me, the communists, the neoleftists, and the socialists. We don't have that much unity.

I sympathize with libertarian socialists and often side with them despite being a social democrat, so that could be considered unity. Anarchism often seems motivated by good intentions to me, and I can unite far better with those who seem to at least want good and those who are obviously just sowing discord or hate people unlike them. Then again, they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions, so maybe I should rethink that.

I mean at least you're not pulling a Rosa Luxemburg situation on us

[Cekoviu]

lol. Well, I try to be tolerant, especially since I used to be kind of a Marxist-Leninist (a Titoist and then a Trotskyist).

However, to give you one example, one Marxist-Leninist recently referred to me as “a Marxist of a sort.”

I find myself wondering whether I’m Marxist Leninist or libertarian, largely because
1. I believe that the state is a necessary institution
2. I believe that revolution is a bad idea
3. I believe in democratic controlled means of production
4. I find social justice a lie.

Sounds like Yanayevism to me.

[Cekoviu]

lol. Well, I try to be tolerant, especially since I used to be kind of a Marxist-Leninist (a Titoist and then a Trotskyist).

However, to give you one example, one Marxist-Leninist recently referred to me as “a Marxist of a sort.”

I've been called a “Marxist” a couple of times, though a “liberal” more often. It's pretty amusing because I'm solidly on the right.

Are you? In the interactions I've had with you, you've seemed more like a centrist libertarian with somewhat theocratic positions.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I find myself wondering whether I’m Marxist Leninist or libertarian, largely because
1. I believe that the state is a necessary institution
2. I believe that revolution is a bad idea
3. I believe in democratic controlled means of production
4. I find social justice a lie.

I realize it could be a limitation on my part, but how can social justice be a lie? What is the alternative? Social injustice? The key is not to abandon social justice projects but to ground them in Marxist theory.

[New Emeline]

I find myself wondering whether I’m Marxist Leninist or libertarian, largely because
1. I believe that the state is a necessary institution
2. I believe that revolution is a bad idea
3. I believe in democratic controlled means of production
4. I find social justice a lie.

I realize it could be a limitation on my part, but how can social justice be a lie? What is the alternative? Social injustice? The key is not to abandon social justice projects but to ground them in Marxist theory.

in case you haven't noticed, he doesn't like "sjws"

[Cekoviu]

It depends on your definition of "pretty".

I am saying if Europe gets pushed to civil wars, there will probably be purges of LGBT and minorities by the right-wing side.

I honestly doubt that type of right-wingers would be powerful enough in most European countries to successfully pull off pogroms at a large scale. In some areas of eastern Europe maybe, but even there they're usually smaller than the centre-left and -right.

[Cekoviu]

I find myself wondering whether I’m Marxist Leninist or libertarian, largely because
1. I believe that the state is a necessary institution
2. I believe that revolution is a bad idea
3. I believe in democratic controlled means of production
4. I find social justice a lie.

I realize it could be a limitation on my part, but how can social justice be a lie? What is the alternative? Social injustice? The key is not to abandon social justice projects but to ground them in Marxist theory.

Something something identity politics.

[West Leas Oros]

I find myself wondering whether I’m Marxist Leninist or libertarian, largely because
1. I believe that the state is a necessary institution
2. I believe that revolution is a bad idea
3. I believe in democratic controlled means of production
4. I find social justice a lie.

I realize it could be a limitation on my part, but how can social justice be a lie? What is the alternative? Social injustice? The key is not to abandon social justice projects but to ground them in Marxist theory.

When I say social justice, I mean it as defined by the American Progressive Left.

[Cekoviu]

I realize it could be a limitation on my part, but how can social justice be a lie? What is the alternative? Social injustice? The key is not to abandon social justice projects but to ground them in Marxist theory.

When I say social justice, I mean it as defined by the American Progressive Left.

Equal rights for women and gay people, got it.

[New Emeline]

I realize it could be a limitation on my part, but how can social justice be a lie? What is the alternative? Social injustice? The key is not to abandon social justice projects but to ground them in Marxist theory.

When I say social justice, I mean it as defined by the American Progressive Left.

There is no unified "American Progressive Left" mate

[The Parkus Empire]

I am saying if Europe gets pushed to civil wars, there will probably be purges of LGBT and minorities by the right-wing side.

I honestly doubt that type of right-wingers would be powerful enough in most European countries to successfully pull off pogroms at a large scale. In some areas of eastern Europe maybe, but even there they're usually smaller than the centre-left and -right.

As of now, no. But if things start really heading down hill, they would be very powerful by the time civil wars started.

[West Leas Oros]

When I say social justice, I mean it as defined by the American Progressive Left.

Equal rights for women and gay people, got it.

Good one.