LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[Torrocca]

Sounds like you live in a great country.

Plagued by educational ignorance? Yes, pretty much.

This sounds like something you'd read verbatim on r/iamverysmart, not gonna lie.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Here is my own summary of Freire:

Paulo Freire (Portugese/Português), 1921–1997, a Portugese–speaking Brazilian educator, developed critical pedagogy (Hebrew, פֶּדָגוֹגְית הַבִּקָּרְתִּית, pẹḏāḡōḡəyṯ hạ–biqqārətiyṯ), which I use, as best I can, in my classes. According to Freire, the educational process, through critical pedagogy, needs to impart the emancipatory power of conscientization (Hebrew, תּוֹדָעָה שֶׁל הַעַצְמִית, tōḏāʾāh šẹl hạ–ʿạṣəmiyṯ, “self–consciousness”). This English–language rendering of the originally Portuguese term, conscientização, was employed by Paulo Freire for class consciousness. Conscientization was the epistemic basis for the consciousness raising of the women’s liberation movement in the 1970s. Freire’s coined term, conscientização, was based upon the French word conscience, which, unlike its English–language cognate, can be translated as either “conscience” or “consciousness.”

Ṣạdiyqiym Bərẹsəlōḇ–ʿẠkkō of Democratic Communist Federation (Spartakusland)™

[Great Minarchistan]

Plagued by educational ignorance? Yes, pretty much.

This sounds like something you'd read verbatim on r/iamverysmart, not gonna lie.

When teenagers are being blasted with misinformation, not really

[Torrocca]

This sounds like something you'd read verbatim on r/iamverysmart, not gonna lie.

When teenagers are being blasted with misinformation, not really

GM pls ur just digging a bigger hole

[Nekokuni]

Here is my own summary of Freire:

Paulo Freire (Portugese/Português), 1921–1997, a Portugese–speaking Brazilian educator, developed critical pedagogy (Hebrew, פֶּדָגוֹגְית הַבִּקָּרְתִּית, pẹḏāḡōḡəyṯ hạ–biqqārətiyṯ), which I use, as best I can, in my classes. According to Freire, the educational process, through critical pedagogy, needs to impart the emancipatory power of conscientization (Hebrew, תּוֹדָעָה שֶׁל הַעַצְמִית, tōḏāʾāh šẹl hạ–ʿạṣəmiyṯ, “self–consciousness”). This English–language rendering of the originally Portuguese term, conscientização, was employed by Paulo Freire for class consciousness. Conscientization was the epistemic basis for the consciousness raising of the women’s liberation movement in the 1970s. Freire’s coined term, conscientização, was based upon the French word conscience, which, unlike its English–language cognate, can be translated as either “conscience” or “consciousness.”

Ṣạdiyqiym Bərẹsəlōḇ–ʿẠkkō of Democratic Communist Federation (Spartakusland)™

That sounds similar to Actualism, which was conceived as a totalistic theory of pedagogy that inspired the Italian education reform.

[Great Minarchistan]

When teenagers are being blasted with misinformation, not really

GM pls ur just digging a bigger hole

I'm just creating marginal opportunity to employment by hiring people to tap it back up :^)

[Valgora]

This sounds like something you'd read verbatim on r/iamverysmart, not gonna lie.

When teenagers are being blasted with misinformation, not really

I'm not going to lie, I do doubt what you're saying some extent.
I doubt that large amounts of "leftist" ideas are filling up everything in all your classes.

Plus, if someone is talking about future societies, it shouldn't be a surprise that they would talk about economics or even about modern economics if it pertains to what they are talking about.

[Torrocca]

GM pls ur just digging a bigger hole

I'm just creating marginal opportunity to employment by hiring people to tap it back up :^)

Nah you're just going full r/iamverysmart and it hurts me :c

One day you'll realize the plight of the impoverished and join your revolutionary comrades <3

[Great Minarchistan]

I'm not going to lie, I do doubt what you're saying some extent.
I doubt that large amounts of "leftist" ideas are filling up everything in all your classes.

We watch documentaries such as the story of stuff, factoids regarding wealth/income distribution are thrown around, plain fail to take a grasp on what the system actually is (clearly not right-wing nor neoliberalism) are a few topics I can mention off the top of my head. But of course, my school isn't a propaganda center. It's just quite frequent for discussions to be filled with this sort of sentiment, encouraged by textbooks and liberal arts teachers themselves.

Plus, if someone is talking about future societies, it shouldn't be a surprise that they would talk about economics or even about modern economics if it pertains to what they are talking about.

The topic was about searching alien advanced societies... That's why they invited a phd in astrophysics to present it.

[Great Minarchistan]

One day you'll realize the plight of the impoverished and join your revolutionary comrades <3

Sorry but my intuitive core is too active for chairman activism, I'm leaning to opening up a business :^)

[Torrocca]

One day you'll realize the plight of the impoverished and join your revolutionary comrades <3

Sorry but my intuitive core is too active for chairman activism, I'm leaning to opening up a business :^)

Sounds like you'll be the lucky 90% that fail in the first year :^)

[Great Minarchistan]

Sorry but my intuitive core is too active for chairman activism, I'm leaning to opening up a business :^)

Sounds like you'll be the lucky 90% that fail in the first year :^)

No thanks, I've got skills on accounting :^)

[Torrocca]

Sounds like you'll be the lucky 90% that fail in the first year :^)

No thanks, I've got skills on accounting :^)

The Brazilian corruption will destroy you all the same :^)))

[Great Minarchistan]

No thanks, I've got skills on accounting :^)

The Brazilian corruption will destroy you all the same :^)))

Corporate taxes are based on profit, not on revenue. Hence one may legally avoid taxes by lowering profits via added spending on interest payments using a proxy loan that is linked to a financial entity affiliated with your business on an informal way :^)

[Liriena]

the current economic system, branding it as neoliberalism.

Well, it sure ain't communism

[Liriena]

Currently on high school, and lotsa teachers are basically trying to spit left-wing propaganda on our heads. Sociology, Philosophy, History and even theoretical P.E. classes and physics -- for instance, I've went to a seminar on advanced civilizations in space today, and the speaker devoted half of the time to shift from the topic just to rant on the current economic system, branding it as neoliberalism.

Ah. I’ll admit, schools should not be so highly politicized.

There's no such thing as an apolitical education system. Whichever content you choose to teach, the decision will be a political one.

[Liriena]

Sounds like you live in a great country.

He wouldn't be complaining about it if it were great.

I trust that Great Minarchistan is being sincere about their observations, but I would apply a bit of skepticism towards any person's anecdotal description of the quality of their entire education system, specially when it's on political grounds.

When I was in secondary school, for example, I had no complaints about how we were taught about our own genocide of the natives (the whole thing was extremely glossed over, underestimated and semi-excused). But now that I've actually gotten the chance to study the issue in greater depth, I would definitely question the quality and political motivations of that part of my education.

Propaganda in education is shit and nobody should stand for it. Easier to weed out K through 12, though, because there's more control over what's being taught and who teaches it.

Would you consider the simplistic dramatizations of national history typical of pre-secondary education in some way propagandistic?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Ah. I’ll admit, schools should not be so highly politicized.

There's no such thing as an apolitical education system. Whichever content you choose to teach, the decision will be a political one.

It should be content that teaches people to build up rather than tear down, to respect the value of the free expression of nonviolent opinions and the importance of luck and compassion, and to do what I've been incapable of doing after reading too much Miranda Yardley and integrate things that seem contradictory into one another.
It shouldn't make people more capable at defending lies and self-deceptions, though that seems to be the side effect of intelligence everywhere in which case I will lay that requirement aside. It should teach people to think about the underlying natures of things but not in a way that leaves them without anywhere to go.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

He wouldn't be complaining about it if it were great.

I trust that Great Minarchistan is being sincere about their observations, but I would apply a bit of skepticism towards any person's anecdotal description of the quality of their entire education system, specially when it's on political grounds.

Propaganda in education is shit and nobody should stand for it. Easier to weed out K through 12, though, because there's more control over what's being taught and who teaches it.

Would you consider the simplistic dramatizations of national history typical of pre-secondary education in some way propagandistic?

I would. It's meant to give the kids a reason not to unconditionally hate their country once they're done with compulsory schooling.
It could be done better though.

[Liriena]

There's no such thing as an apolitical education system. Whichever content you choose to teach, the decision will be a political one.

It should be content that teaches people to build up rather than tear down

Is this a subtle jab at critical perspectives on history that deconstruct overidealized or sanitized national myths? Or am I off the mark?

, to respect the value of the free expression of nonviolent opinions and the importance of luck and compassion, and to do what I've been incapable of doing after reading too much Miranda Yardley and integrate things that seem contradictory into one another.
It shouldn't make people more capable at defending lies and self-deceptions, though that seems to be the side effect of intelligence everywhere in which case I will lay that requirement aside. It should teach people to think about the underlying natures of things but not in a way that leaves them without anywhere to go.

I don't disagree with you. At all. However, the devil is in the details. The "hard" sciences aren't much of a problem, but how other fields of study are taught is inevitably going to be a political decision. And in many countries, the people in charge of making those decisions choose, due to their own political biases and interests, make decisions which seek to avoid critical thinking in those fields and reinforce traditional preconceptions, so as to maintain a cultural hegemony.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

It should be content that teaches people to build up rather than tear down

Is this a subtle jab at critical perspectives on history that deconstruct overidealized or sanitized national myths? Or am I off the mark?

It is. Ever since learning about postmodernism, I've perceived it as akin to the straw nihilist, atheist or misotheist take on the world that it's full of misery and ultimately meaningless and bereft of (benevolent) divinity or afterlife, with all counters to it being exercises in insane futility. Namely, like those takes, it leaves me feeling depressed, cynical and empty. But I could be wrong to interpret it as such. I mean, deconstruction is, I'm sure, valid in at least some contexts. But its' usages thus far feel like the sensation of a ship imploding into flotsam as it drifts toward Charybdis.
Not to say that I support leaving myths around unexamined. The victims of the auto-da-fe and Anglophone settler colonialism would probably tell me in gruesome detail why that's a bad idea if they could attest to their sufferings from beyond the grave.

, to respect the value of the free expression of nonviolent opinions and the importance of luck and compassion, and to do what I've been incapable of doing after reading too much Miranda Yardley and integrate things that seem contradictory into one another.
It shouldn't make people more capable at defending lies and self-deceptions, though that seems to be the side effect of intelligence everywhere in which case I will lay that requirement aside. It should teach people to think about the underlying natures of things but not in a way that leaves them without anywhere to go.

I don't disagree with you. At all. However, the devil is in the details. The "hard" sciences aren't much of a problem, but how other fields of study are taught is inevitably going to be a political decision. And in many countries, the people in charge of making those decisions choose, due to their own political biases and interests, make decisions which seek to avoid critical thinking in those fields and reinforce traditional preconceptions, so as to maintain a cultural hegemony.

Yeah, you'd have to be really hardcore on National Physics to fuck that one up. National history is inevitably subject to such conservatism of preconceptions, as my hesitance to classify United States policy toward Native Americans as genocide certainly attests to, as are other fields. At the very least, some universities in the world maintain an openness to debate which might allow presuppositions in the national psyche to be challenged without fear of state reprisal.

[Aellex]

Ah. I’ll admit, schools should not be so highly politicized.

There's no such thing as an apolitical education system. Whichever content you choose to teach, the decision will be a political one.

I agree. I miss nationalist propaganda being the corner-stone of our educational system; we only have one hour of it a week in Middle and High School and that's clearly not enough.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

There's no such thing as an apolitical education system. Whichever content you choose to teach, the decision will be a political one.

I agree. I miss nationalist propaganda being the corner-stone of our educational system; we only have one hour of it a week in Middle and High School and that's clearly not enough.

You should be thankful that education in the West is not focused on nationalist propaganda

[Aellex]

You should be thankful that education in the West is not focused on nationalist propaganda

True Korea is Best Korea, as usual.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

You should be thankful that education in the West is not focused on nationalist propaganda

True Korea is Best Korea, as usual.

I hope this is just a meme and not your real opinion, because:
. One-man dictatorship
. Forced labour
. Personality cult centred around Kim Jong-un, no freedom of expression
. No freedom of religion (North Korea systematically persecutes Christians and Buddhists)
. No freedom of movement, including a ban on leaving the country for most people
. Rock-bottom on the Press Freedom Index
. Can't even feed itself (dependent on food aid)
. Forced prostitution and forced abortions (which the UN labels as violence against women)
. Too many other human rights violations to list